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kirkf · 03-06-2023, 09:50 PM

In my ongoing saga of trying to put together a 1940 pickup that was taken apart 40 years ago, i thought i would test fit the seat springs.

Previous owner bought a new set of Snyder seat springs in 1994. Still in the box, proudly made in America.

Sadly they were either made wrong, or they were for some other year. Because the seat braces that slide into the rails to hold the seat back up are in the wrong spot. (Too wide)

Guess its a little too late to phone them and find out why...

Kirk

Lawson Cox · 03-06-2023, 10:09 PM

If they are still in the box, it wouldn't hurt to contact Snyders and ask. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Keep us posted. You should tell them you posted this on the Fordbarn and you were told they should/would stand behind them. Do you by chance have an invoice from Snyders?

kirkf · 03-06-2023, 10:38 PM

I don't have any invoice from them. This was just one of the things in the LOT of parts that came with the truck.

Kirk

cas3 · 03-06-2023, 11:16 PM

I highly doubt snyders will want to talk about it as you were not the customer. That said, I have bought several springs from snyders, and all were wimpy compared to an original, but they are the only game in town so better than nothing.

I have also rebuilt some original springs if there is enough left to work with, its not to difficult.

In the photos I can't quite see how they are put together, but can you not open up some of the crimped holders and move the bracket to where it needs to be? If you are a hillbilly like me, I have found that my "fencing" pliers have just the rite shape to re-crimp seat clamps. Fixing yours would certainly be easier than building a new seat !

Tinker · 03-07-2023, 12:35 AM

Well it's a conundrum of after market. Even the best may be a little off. If you understand the process from the factory back then, even they can differ. If you can locate a decent original replacement do that. If you can find or fix what you have then you have to make due. Nobody said it was easy.

34fivewindow · 03-07-2023, 12:58 AM

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that seat back, looks like a 35 to 39 1/2 ton pickup.

Kube · 03-07-2023, 08:12 AM

I had to modify a set a client brought me for his '40 convertible. They were from Synder's. What welds were not already cracked and loose, were pretty much in the wrong places.
Yeah, I suppose better than nothing but c'mon, for what they charge and for the quality (lack thereof), well, obviously the thing they are most proud of is their prices.

kirkf · 03-07-2023, 11:32 AM

It seems Snyder lists multiple back rests for a 40-41 truck

BACKREST 35-41 TRUCK
Part # S-814 | Model Year 35-41
1935-41 Truck
Backrest spring assembly
$405.00 EA
https://www.snydersantiqueauto.com/p...htm?pid=980520

BACKREST 40-41 TRUCK
Part # S-820 | Model Year 40-41
1940-41 Truck
Backrest spring assembly
$405.00 EA
https://www.snydersantiqueauto.com/p...id=980521&cat=

The one I have is the S-814 model.

Not much I can do about it at this point, it was sold 29 years ago, and at the time was sold through a third party retailer here in Canada.

I'll just have to fab up some stuff to move the brackets to the correct location.

Kirk

kirkf · 03-14-2023, 12:33 AM

All fixed up.

Kirk

Lawson Cox · 03-14-2023, 12:08 PM

Lookin' good.

rotorwrench · 03-16-2023, 10:52 AM

Not all coil springs have the same spring rate even if the wire and size appears to be the same. An old upholster's trick is to stuff the spring with cotton padding in key areas to beef them up a bit.

03-06-2023, 10:09 PM	#2
Lawson Cox Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Above the gnat line in Georgia Posts: 7,009	Re: Nothing Fits. If they are still in the box, it wouldn't hurt to contact Snyders and ask. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Keep us posted. You should tell them you posted this on the Fordbarn and you were told they should/would stand behind them. Do you by chance have an invoice from Snyders? __________________ Life is like a roll of toilet paper. The closer to the end, the faster it goes. It is better to be seen, than viewed. "We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm".

03-06-2023, 10:38 PM	#3
kirkf Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Manitoba, Canada Posts: 228	Re: Nothing Fits. I don't have any invoice from them. This was just one of the things in the LOT of parts that came with the truck. Kirk __________________ 1953 Ford F100 1950 Ford F47 (F1) 1940 Ford Pickup

03-06-2023, 11:16 PM	#4
cas3 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: sw minnesota Posts: 4,578	Re: Nothing Fits. I highly doubt snyders will want to talk about it as you were not the customer. That said, I have bought several springs from snyders, and all were wimpy compared to an original, but they are the only game in town so better than nothing. I have also rebuilt some original springs if there is enough left to work with, its not to difficult. In the photos I can't quite see how they are put together, but can you not open up some of the crimped holders and move the bracket to where it needs to be? If you are a hillbilly like me, I have found that my "fencing" pliers have just the rite shape to re-crimp seat clamps. Fixing yours would certainly be easier than building a new seat !

03-07-2023, 12:35 AM	#5
Tinker Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: MN Posts: 7,053	Re: Nothing Fits. Well it's a conundrum of after market. Even the best may be a little off. If you understand the process from the factory back then, even they can differ. If you can locate a decent original replacement do that. If you can find or fix what you have then you have to make due. Nobody said it was easy.

03-07-2023, 12:58 AM	#6
34fivewindow Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Santa Rosa, Calif. Posts: 376	Re: Nothing Fits. Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) that seat back, looks like a 35 to 39 1/2 ton pickup.

03-07-2023, 08:12 AM	#7
Kube Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Wisconsin, USA Posts: 9,008	Re: Nothing Fits. I had to modify a set a client brought me for his '40 convertible. They were from Synder's. What welds were not already cracked and loose, were pretty much in the wrong places. Yeah, I suppose better than nothing but c'mon, for what they charge and for the quality (lack thereof), well, obviously the thing they are most proud of is their prices. __________________ "I can explain it for you. However, I can't understand it for you".

03-07-2023, 11:32 AM	#8
kirkf Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Manitoba, Canada Posts: 228	Re: Nothing Fits. It seems Snyder lists multiple back rests for a 40-41 truck BACKREST 35-41 TRUCK Part # S-814 \| Model Year 35-41 1935-41 Truck Backrest spring assembly $405.00 EA https://www.snydersantiqueauto.com/p...htm?pid=980520 BACKREST 40-41 TRUCK Part # S-820 \| Model Year 40-41 1940-41 Truck Backrest spring assembly $405.00 EA https://www.snydersantiqueauto.com/p...id=980521&cat= The one I have is the S-814 model. Not much I can do about it at this point, it was sold 29 years ago, and at the time was sold through a third party retailer here in Canada. I'll just have to fab up some stuff to move the brackets to the correct location. Kirk __________________ 1953 Ford F100 1950 Ford F47 (F1) 1940 Ford Pickup

03-14-2023, 12:08 PM	#10
Lawson Cox Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Above the gnat line in Georgia Posts: 7,009	Re: Nothing Fits. Lookin' good. __________________ Life is like a roll of toilet paper. The closer to the end, the faster it goes. It is better to be seen, than viewed. "We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm".

03-16-2023, 10:52 AM	#11
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 16,440	Re: Nothing Fits. Not all coil springs have the same spring rate even if the wire and size appears to be the same. An old upholster's trick is to stuff the spring with cotton padding in key areas to beef them up a bit.