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slug · 11-20-2011, 01:20 PM

Some where I read about certain Hudson steering boxes (Gemmer) being used to replace the stock boxes for better ratios etc. Can't find my info or where I read it. Any help out there? Thanks, John

Rem · 11-20-2011, 01:34 PM

I believe it is a '37 Hudson box - PM Mart on here to confirm, as he has one on his Roadster.

JM 35 Sedan · 11-20-2011, 02:12 PM

It sounds like you are looking for something specific but thought I would mention this anyway, Hot Rod John makes a steering box for '32-'34 Fords that uses a roller sector gear like a '37-'48 Ford steering box.

Andy · 11-20-2011, 02:17 PM

I have a big truck 32 box in the swap meet. It is 17 to 1(same as 37-48) and looks and fits like 32 box.

Charlie Stephens · 11-20-2011, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JM 35 Sedan

It sounds like you are looking for something specific but thought I would mention this anyway, Hot Rod John makes a steering box for '32-'34 Fords that uses a roller sector gear like a '37-'48 Ford steering box.

Interesting, but how do we contact him?

Charlie Stephens

Mart · 11-20-2011, 02:30 PM

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Yes, ,37 Hudson.
You have to modify the flange like the f1 / f100 swaps.
In my case the swap was a little more difficult because my car is RHD. You have a bit more room in a LHD car.
The 32 pitman arm fits the Hudson splines.

Barner NealinCA has also been working with these Hudson units.

Mart.

NealinCA · 11-20-2011, 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlie Stephens

Interesting, but how do we contact him?

Charlie Stephens

Here are a couple of links about John's EZ steer...

http://www.ezsteer.net/ezsteer-32-34

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...light=ez+steer

I think he had a good idea...I just don't think it worked out...

I like the original Gemmer boxes...like the 37 Hudson. If you can find a good one...they can't be beat.

Stock 32 box on the left, 37 Hudson on the right...

Neal

Kahuna · 11-20-2011, 10:56 PM

Neal, Is it possible to put the Hudson in place of the 32 box? Or, switch stuff around between the 2 to do that?
Thanks
Jim

NealinCA · 11-20-2011, 11:18 PM

Jim - Here is a 37 Hudson box that has been converted for use in a 32 (stock 32 on the left, converted Hudson on the right)...

The only modification that needs to be done to a 32 is to enlarge the sector shaft hole in the frame, as the Hudson has a longer housing that has to go through the frame rail.

Neal

Charlie Stephens · 11-21-2011, 12:54 PM

I didn't make the connection with EZ Steer and his name. He has got a lot of bad press on the HAMB but I don't have and personal experience with his unit.

Charlie Stephens

Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Stephens

Interesting, but how do we contact him?

Charlie Stephens

Here are a couple of links about John's EZ steer...

http://www.ezsteer.net/ezsteer-32-34

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...light=ez+steer

I think he had a good idea...I just don't think it worked out...

JM 35 Sedan · 11-21-2011, 01:26 PM

[QUOTE=Charlie Stephens;310867]I didn't make the connection with EZ Steer and his name. He has got a lot of bad press on the HAMB but I don't have and personal experience with his unit.

Charlie Stephens

Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Stephens

Interesting, but how do we contact him?

Charlie Stephens

Has anyone here had any good experiences with John Kovars EZ Steer? After reading all these negative posts here and on the HAMB I'm now sorry I even mentioned him on this thread but maybe it's a good thing to get the word out on a bad actor if that's what we have here. Another bad thing I apparently did at Hershey was recommend that a friend go and talk to him about one of these EZ Steer boxes for his '34 PU. I think he may have put one on order so I better contact him asap. Again, has anyone here had a recent positive experience with one of these '32-'34 EZ Steer boxes. I would really appreciate any feedback here on this post or by PM. Thanks!!

hotcoupe · 11-21-2011, 07:45 PM

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JM 35 Sedan · 11-22-2011, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hotcoupe

for your consideration,
go to the bottom of this link http://www.target550.com/news.html

Yikes!! Another non positive story

. Is there one ray of hope out there for anyone who has installed one of these EZ Steer boxes and is happy with it

.
I called my friend who was planning to buy one of these EZ Steer boxes just as he was getting ready to
mail a check. He is in a holding pattern now while we determine the best alternate steering box for him to use in his '34 pu. I'm now thinking I should 'steer' him towards an F1/F100 box. Have no idea where we would ever find a '37 Hudson box but I do like the one that Neal put together.

Rem · 11-23-2011, 08:54 AM

JM, if your friend is planning on using the original chassis mounting position and column drop, he would possibly be better to use the '53-'56 F100 steering box. The F1 box has the worm 'under' the sector and would pivot the top of the column toward the screen - it is already tight between the wheel and screen and this gap may be reduced further. However, I believe the original pitman arm will fit on the F1 box, possibly with some adjustment to the indexing. Either way, the mounting flanges will probably need to be modified or replaced.

hop up · 11-23-2011, 09:13 AM

You can put any box from 1930 to 1934 box into a 32 frame . You will need the mounting flange of the 32 were because its at a different angle of the 33-34 and 30-31 but they interchange with each other. A 32 box is pretty much a 31,33 and box. Also looking for a quicker ratio change the gearing inside the box when you rebuild her or change the arm length too
.

JM 35 Sedan · 11-24-2011, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rem

JM, if your friend is planning on using the original chassis mounting position and column drop, he would possibly be better to use the '53-'56 F100 steering box. The F1 box has the worm 'under' the sector and would pivot the top of the column toward the screen - it is already tight between the wheel and screen and this gap may be reduced further. However, I believe the original pitman arm will fit on the F1 box, possibly with some adjustment to the indexing. Either way, the mounting flanges will probably need to be modified or replaced.

Thanks for the info Rem. He probably wants to use the original chassis mounting but not the original column drop. '53-'56 F100 steering box sounds like a good option for him to pursue. I'm going to print this thread and the HAMB thread and send it to him. He doesn't do computers.

ct1932ford · 11-25-2011, 09:35 AM

Here is a 54 F100 box machined to fit a 32 frame without welding or adapters. 1st shot shows original box next to the one reworked to fit my 32 frame. the rest show machined areas and taper of mount area.

bobH · 11-25-2011, 01:57 PM

37 Hudson boxes.... I'm pretty sure that rumbleseat (Paul) used one in his 34. Seems like it's been well covered, here, but might want to also check with Paul or the techno site for his notes.

NealinCA · 11-25-2011, 02:20 PM

I usually find them in Hudsons...

Krylon32 · 11-25-2011, 03:50 PM

As Neil said, Hudson boxs are hard to find. Be prepared to part with something in the range of 500 for a good one!

11-20-2011, 01:20 PM	#1
slug Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Granville ohio Posts: 174	Steering Boxes for 32's Some where I read about certain Hudson steering boxes (Gemmer) being used to replace the stock boxes for better ratios etc. Can't find my info or where I read it. Any help out there? Thanks, John

11-20-2011, 01:34 PM	#2
Rem Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Oxford, England Posts: 96	Re: Steering Boxes for 32's I believe it is a '37 Hudson box - PM Mart on here to confirm, as he has one on his Roadster.

11-20-2011, 02:12 PM	#3
JM 35 Sedan Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Near Rising Sun, Maryland Posts: 10,858	Re: Steering Boxes for 32's It sounds like you are looking for something specific but thought I would mention this anyway, Hot Rod John makes a steering box for '32-'34 Fords that uses a roller sector gear like a '37-'48 Ford steering box. __________________ *John* *"Never give up on what you really want to do. The person with big dreams is more powerful than one with all the facts". Albert Einstein*

11-20-2011, 02:17 PM	#4
Andy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Kerrville, Tx Posts: 2,769	Re: Steering Boxes for 32's I have a big truck 32 box in the swap meet. It is 17 to 1(same as 37-48) and looks and fits like 32 box.

11-20-2011, 02:30 PM	#6
Mart Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Solihull, England. Posts: 8,747	Re: Steering Boxes for 32's Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Yes, ,37 Hudson. You have to modify the flange like the f1 / f100 swaps. In my case the swap was a little more difficult because my car is RHD. You have a bit more room in a LHD car. The 32 pitman arm fits the Hudson splines. Barner NealinCA has also been working with these Hudson units. Mart.

11-20-2011, 10:56 PM	#8
Kahuna Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: NorCal Posts: 2,617	Re: Steering Boxes for 32's Neal, Is it possible to put the Hudson in place of the 32 box? Or, switch stuff around between the 2 to do that? Thanks Jim

11-20-2011, 11:18 PM	#9
NealinCA Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Central Coast, Calif. Posts: 839	Re: Steering Boxes for 32's Jim - Here is a 37 Hudson box that has been converted for use in a 32 (stock 32 on the left, converted Hudson on the right)... The only modification that needs to be done to a 32 is to enlarge the sector shaft hole in the frame, as the Hudson has a longer housing that has to go through the frame rail. Neal

11-21-2011, 12:54 PM	#10
Charlie Stephens Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southern California Posts: 7,031	Re: Steering Boxes for 32's I didn't make the connection with EZ Steer and his name. He has got a lot of bad press on the HAMB but I don't have and personal experience with his unit. Charlie Stephens Quote: Originally Posted by Charlie Stephens Interesting, but how do we contact him? Charlie Stephens Here are a couple of links about John's EZ steer... http://www.ezsteer.net/ezsteer-32-34 http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...light=ez+steer I think he had a good idea...I just don't think it worked out...

11-21-2011, 01:26 PM	#11
JM 35 Sedan Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Near Rising Sun, Maryland Posts: 10,858	Re: Steering Boxes for 32's [QUOTE=Charlie Stephens;310867]I didn't make the connection with EZ Steer and his name. He has got a lot of bad press on the HAMB but I don't have and personal experience with his unit. Charlie Stephens Quote: Originally Posted by Charlie Stephens Interesting, but how do we contact him? Charlie Stephens Has anyone here had any good experiences with John Kovars EZ Steer? After reading all these negative posts here and on the HAMB I'm now sorry I even mentioned him on this thread but maybe it's a good thing to get the word out on a bad actor if that's what we have here. Another bad thing I apparently did at Hershey was recommend that a friend go and talk to him about one of these EZ Steer boxes for his '34 PU. I think he may have put one on order so I better contact him asap. Again, has anyone here had a recent positive experience with one of these '32-'34 EZ Steer boxes. I would really appreciate any feedback here on this post or by PM. Thanks!! __________________ *John* *"Never give up on what you really want to do. The person with big dreams is more powerful than one with all the facts". Albert Einstein*

11-21-2011, 07:45 PM	#12
hotcoupe Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: imperial,mo Posts: 694	Re: Steering Boxes for 32's for your consideration, go to the bottom of this link http://www.target550.com/news.html

11-23-2011, 08:54 AM	#14
Rem Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Oxford, England Posts: 96	Re: Steering Boxes for 32's JM, if your friend is planning on using the original chassis mounting position and column drop, he would possibly be better to use the '53-'56 F100 steering box. The F1 box has the worm 'under' the sector and would pivot the top of the column toward the screen - it is already tight between the wheel and screen and this gap may be reduced further. However, I believe the original pitman arm will fit on the F1 box, possibly with some adjustment to the indexing. Either way, the mounting flanges will probably need to be modified or replaced.

11-23-2011, 09:13 AM	#15
hop up Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 413	Re: Steering Boxes for 32's You can put any box from 1930 to 1934 box into a 32 frame . You will need the mounting flange of the 32 were because its at a different angle of the 33-34 and 30-31 but they interchange with each other. A 32 box is pretty much a 31,33 and box. Also looking for a quicker ratio change the gearing inside the box when you rebuild her or change the arm length too . __________________ Wanted flathead speed equipment Thanks

11-25-2011, 01:57 PM	#18
bobH Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: so cal, placerville, vegas Posts: 1,394	Re: Steering Boxes for 32's 37 Hudson boxes.... I'm pretty sure that rumbleseat (Paul) used one in his 34. Seems like it's been well covered, here, but might want to also check with Paul or the techno site for his notes. Last edited by bobH; 11-26-2011 at 01:26 PM.

11-25-2011, 02:20 PM	#19
NealinCA Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Central Coast, Calif. Posts: 839	Re: Steering Boxes for 32's I usually find them in Hudsons...

11-25-2011, 03:50 PM	#20
Krylon32 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 4,482	Re: Steering Boxes for 32's As Neil said, Hudson boxs are hard to find. Be prepared to part with something in the range of 500 for a good one!