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Here's the DLX phaeton that we just bought. Only a few pictures, but I could only snag a few. The last picture is of the all the cars getting to know the newbie. The plan is to do a frame off restoration.
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Looks like a Great project!
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Gotta love it !!!
I am available for info should you need it! As you know some stuff is available only from A&L in Canton, CT. Might as well get the catalogue now. Might as well get the zinc door sills now before they run out. I am not sure if I can remember all the unique parts on that body style but I'll try: door hinges, doors, door latches on the B pillar, possibly the door handles, door sills, body of course, top irons, rear valence. As you know, Al Lepore many yrs ago restored his, and found that certain parts were just not available; so he decided to make them himself. At least one son continues the business; their stuff is first-class. One short coming of the 180A is there is virtually nothing holding up the B pillar, making them floppy and difficult to close and latch the doors. Many of us have added a very beefy tapered steel brace just on the inside of the pillar, which goes down to the frame. Too difficult to explain on the internet. If you want to see what this looks like in person just let me know, it is not hard to fab up. It cannot be given the final bolt-in until all the other body panels are fitted. Thus it is the last thing to fit. Good luck, brings back a lot of memories !!! You'll love it!!!!
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Absolutely beautiful!! Glad it's got a good home!!
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09-22-2013, 12:58 AM | #5 |
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Restore it? I would run the tires off it before I would restore it. Then again pictures might make the car look better then what it really is.
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09-22-2013, 07:59 AM | #7 |
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That looks pretty nice just the way it is. Nice car. I like where someone decided to put the steering wheel.
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that is a nice addition to your collection. i would leave it r/h drive it sets it apart from the others, and adds to the rarity
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So jealous! I believe their is one more deluxe in the Dallas club.
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Yes, it's in need a full restoration. It could be driven, but I wouldn't drive it further than around town.
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There's 3 or 4 in the Ft. Worth club that I know of.
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it's from argentina
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I have recently cast the b pillar supports. I did this by beefing up the bottom side and the L bracket that goes up the wooden pillar. I made these so that you can route the subrail and the wooden pillar by about 3/16. The crow foot and outside appearance should look ansolutely original when installed. I made sets out of bronze and aluminum. The bronze ones were very pricy andextremely heavy; the aluminum ones seem cost effective and very sturdy. They seem very rigid and shoild preclude the door pillar flex.I have not installed these as of yet as the 180a projects are down the road after some A400 re-wooding. Brent terry has some of these and he might have some comments.
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The body itself is in decent shape. The cowls will need patches, the wheel wells, and the bead on the bottom of the back panel will need a patch. Other than that, the body is pretty nice. The wood is showing it's age. The B pillars flex like crazy, but I'm ordering a whole new wood kit this week probably. The plan is to maybe take it to winnsboro autumn trails tour next month, and then really start tearing it apart. There isn't whole lot of sheetmetal on this car, so body work shouldn't take long at all. TBird I'm sure there will be a trip or two over to your shop here in the next couple months of me looking at some things.
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Bill, I have only mocked-up one set as I am still doing the machine work on them for use on that NY car. The other body from SC has the supports that we had braced and it is currently up in the bodyshop about ready for paint so it wasn't worth changing them out. I will tell everyone that Bill's supports are nice castings and worth purchasing. . |
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Steve Cannon at Classic Wood
http://www.manta.com/c/mmnfj5v/classic-wood-mfg
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Fordwood says they have it in stock.
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There can't be many deluxe phaetons left in Argentina. There are three of them here in NZ. The Buenos Aires plant produced 166 in 1930 and 143 in 1931. It would be great to see one of the restored RHD to blue ribbon standard.
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Yes, these guys do make kits however they just are not correct. Someone that is knowledgeable about 180As, and has been down that road will likely tell you that. We have a car in here right now from South Carolina whose owner purchased a kit, installed it and the doors would not close due to interference. The rear rail wood did not fit the body, and the rear seat cushion support was made incorrectly so it did not support the main (sub) rails. We basically started over due to other issues. I am sure you could probably buy his "kit" at a reduced price.
My advice is to make it yourself to fit your sheetmetal. Sloppy joints & fits only create heartache. It seems there have been a lot "band-aids" made over the years to add rigidity to a body where doors would open and close (-and stay closed) but when the foundation is built correctly so it cannot flex, that seems to cure the problems. If the sub-rails can twist or flex, this allows the pillar supports to move which makes the door jambs & latches a moving target when the door is closed. If the joint fits in the doors are not a tight, tap-together slip fit, it will allow the door to sag. Again, if the door is not rigid in its shape, how can one expect to adjust it where it will close with just a push of the door against the striker. Also, that rigidity helps keep the door closed when the vehicle is driven across a bump in the road or a railroad crossing. . |
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Does anybody know of another RHD dlx phaeton in the states?
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Contact Ross. He is very active in the 180A club and maintains the registry, which is very detailed. I haven't belonged in yrs and the paperwork I had from that club is long gone. A good club, tho.
Ross Milne , 180A Body Style Group ,32 Richmond Dr. , Brampton Ont. Canada, L6W 2EQ. PRESIDENT Of the 180A Club . 1-905-455-6615 ...
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I knew of several(about 6-7) that came into the states.But, all were converted. I still have two but have USA cowls now.they are currently basket cases needing wood.but the are pretty complete bodies. Maybe before i die?!!!
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There was a great picture in the Restorer many years ago of a line of South American phaetons ready for shipment to the U.S. most of them were Deluxe Phaetons.
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Yes it was Kaplan. He also dealt in art.Mine came here via dr Kaplan.
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BEST ADVISE i can give you [ join the 180A CLUB] 180-A BODY STYLE GROUP , C/O , ROSS MILNE ,32 RICHMOND DRIVE , BRAMPTON ON L6W 2E9 CANADA..If you want to get anywhere soon. Jim Antoni , 828 Hansen pl. IL. Makes the BEST WOOD KIT.! All others suck [just ask Bill Sturm when he tries to install the interior]. The pillar support we found 3 types.. with the crows feet. The ones i have in the car are STEEL STAMPED. What i did was to place a STEEL round shaft right up the wood pillar[bolt it down] and re-in-forced it with Marine glue .That sucker does not move... There are a lot of ways, guys re-in-force the tub.. We have 6,,,180-A's here in a 20 mile circle. There was 8 ,,to left the farm...
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Kaplan still sells, but with the dollar where it is and shipping costs, hardly worthwhile in
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Wood for the 180A...Brent Terry is correct...make your own and pay particular attention to the curved pieces in the belt rail. Briggs finger jointed that corner for a reason...there is more stress at that bend than the cross section of wood can not handle. The photos I have attached show the crack that occurred across the narrow part when the carriage bolts holding the assembly together were tightened...maybe 1500 psi? That joint should be laminated or finger jointed as shown in the second picture with the original belt rail being held below the reproduction. Finally, the third picture illustrates what is offered by one (not named) replacement wood shops...I have many more pictures but this should scare the heck out of you if you are doing one of these cars.
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There are two RHD 180As listed on the 180A Registry.
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I have Argentine 31 RHD body tag 159-5596 wonder how close it is to your car . Under the body tag the original body colour was Ford Maroon . Not yet restored starting it after 28 pheaton is completed later this year.There are another 4 de luxe pheatons in UK all fom Agentina/Uruguay RHD ,all restored to a high standard . I will stay with the Ford maroon orange pinstripe and wheels .
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http://www.kaplansfamily.com/index2.htm Was his partner in the export/inport business back in the 70's Jim Sherman?
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Brent, there is nothing like the voice of experience. Thanks for posting.
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There might of been a few right hand drive 180A's but QUICKLY change to left hand drive... The return of $$$$ is a issue. I had 2 that 1 now is a High end Rod and the other in parts went back to where right hand driving is. First thing you should do is join the 180A club. CONTACT is 180-A Body Style Group. c/o Ross Milne , 32 Richmond Drive , Brampton ON L6W 2E9 Canada . DON'T TRY Don Bivens of Canton MI. as listed in MARC Mag. you might as well try getting milk from a bull. He has been out of it for YEARS ! Second don't but any wood from Classic Wood .. too too fat in places and i called Fordwood years ago and seems they did not do 180A 'S they might be buying it from Class WOOD and became a middle man...WHO KNOWS ? Can't tell you what to do but right to left drive is your best bet. Look for a nice complete chassis and a gas tank. A pair of Stanchions too because the hole for the mirror is on the right side and not the left... Good Luck what ever road you pick... the hard part is the correct front seat frames.. if your is not correct.p.s. Al jr. did make another run of the ZINC DOOR . SILLS. also check who has reproduction top iron[ as of now] ????
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Nice import? Enjoy your car
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[QUOTE=Jordan;733728]Does anybody know of another RHD dlx phaeton in the states?[/QUOT
There are two on the 180A Registry...here is another older string on repair and restoration of the wood of the 180A http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showth...942#post924942 |
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