Go Back   The Ford Barn > General Discussion > Model A (1928-31)

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-23-2020, 02:54 PM   #1
Tom Endy
Senior Member
 
Tom Endy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Southern California
Posts: 2,674
Default Insulation material

What is the consensus in the Model A kingdom about what type of body panel insulation material to use. I did a search on Fordbarn and see there is a product called Dynamats that some have used.

Is it better to use a cut and peel material or something that can be sprayed on from a can.

I would prefer to use something I can get from Home Depot or Lowes. Also something that will stay in place and not absorb moisture.

Tom Endy
Tom Endy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-23-2020, 03:42 PM   #2
Y-Blockhead
Senior Member
 
Y-Blockhead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
Posts: 4,265
Default Re: Insulation material

Hey Tom. I installed Dynamat in all my body panels and floor, including under the seats. It really made it feel solid and quiet.

I installed jute padding on top of the Dynamat on the floors for heat.

Sorry, I can't compare with other products tho, as I never used anything else.
__________________
Y-Blockhead
'30 Briggs Town Sedan
'55 Ford Ranchwagon
_________________________________
And once again that is just my 1 worth.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51ufACHJMfU

Last edited by Y-Blockhead; 04-24-2020 at 11:51 AM.
Y-Blockhead is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
Old 04-23-2020, 03:51 PM   #3
Y-Blockhead
Senior Member
 
Y-Blockhead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
Posts: 4,265
Default Re: Insulation material

Pictures of floor... Dynamat, Jute insulation, Carpet on top. Cozy.





__________________
Y-Blockhead
'30 Briggs Town Sedan
'55 Ford Ranchwagon
_________________________________
And once again that is just my 1 worth.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51ufACHJMfU

Last edited by Y-Blockhead; 04-23-2020 at 04:05 PM.
Y-Blockhead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-23-2020, 05:55 PM   #4
BRENT in 10-uh-C
Senior Member
 
BRENT in 10-uh-C's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Eastern Tennessee
Posts: 9,515
Default Re: Insulation material

Tom, the Dynamat is not an insulator. It is a sound dampener with no real R value. The big box stores will sell a bubble foil insulation that can be used. Rockwool is another that is good. It is water resistant and as soon as it dries, it is back to normal R value. The jute works well too and can be glued to the foil insulation. Use Weldwood Landau & Top Adhesive for this.
__________________
.

BRENT in 10-uh-C
.
www.model-a-ford.com
...(...Finally Updated!! )

.
BRENT in 10-uh-C is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-23-2020, 06:16 PM   #5
Y-Blockhead
Senior Member
 
Y-Blockhead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
Posts: 4,265
Default Re: Insulation material

Dynamat make numerous products. Dynamat is a sound insulator as Brent said. They also make Dynaliner, Thermal Insulator. http://www.dynamat.com
__________________
Y-Blockhead
'30 Briggs Town Sedan
'55 Ford Ranchwagon
_________________________________
And once again that is just my 1 worth.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51ufACHJMfU
Y-Blockhead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-23-2020, 08:03 PM   #6
lsr490
Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: RTP North Carolina
Posts: 68
Default Re: Insulation material

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
I just installed this last December from the belt line down. On the kick and door panels I cut the width just slightly wider than the opening. The floor laid nicely under the mat, surrounded the exposed edges with black Gorilla tape. On the back of cab the three wooden supports the support the seat back hold the insulation firmly in place. There has been huge improvement in sound and insulation.

If you've not attached the top yet I would place it between the batting and vinyl, I personally love the exposed chicken wire.

I'm not sure how I'm going to finish above the belt line yet, but as I already said huge improvement with what I've already done, and the price is great.

https://www.usenergyproducts.com/col...ore-insulation
__________________
"Avoid Model A Mythsteries. Read, study and challenge ALL advice with current logic, chemistry and technology!" author unknown
lsr490 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-23-2020, 08:15 PM   #7
lsr490
Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: RTP North Carolina
Posts: 68
Default Re: Insulation material

Here are a couple of pictures

Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk
__________________
"Avoid Model A Mythsteries. Read, study and challenge ALL advice with current logic, chemistry and technology!" author unknown
lsr490 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-23-2020, 08:43 PM   #8
30 Closed Cab PU
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 2,296
Default Re: Insulation material

Maybe something I do not understand from the pictures. Is teh mat attached/glued to the floorboards? If yes seems it would be difficult to get to the battery/etc.
30 Closed Cab PU is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-23-2020, 08:57 PM   #9
lsr490
Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: RTP North Carolina
Posts: 68
Default Re: Insulation material

Quote:
Originally Posted by 30 Closed Cab PU View Post
Maybe something I do not understand from the pictures. Is teh mat attached/glued to the floorboards? If yes seems it would be difficult to get to the battery/etc.
It's not glued, just lies on top of the floorboards with the floor mat placed on it.
Don't be fooled by the glare from my LED light the firewall is a black ABS insulated panel.
https://www.snydersantiqueauto.com/P...earchByKeyword
__________________
"Avoid Model A Mythsteries. Read, study and challenge ALL advice with current logic, chemistry and technology!" author unknown

Last edited by lsr490; 04-23-2020 at 09:00 PM. Reason: clarification
lsr490 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-23-2020, 10:49 PM   #10
M2M
Senior Member
 
M2M's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Australia/USA/EU/Soviet Russia
Posts: 1,105
Default Re: Insulation material

https://www.thermotec.com/products
__________________

M2M is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-23-2020, 10:59 PM   #11
larrys40
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: St Charles , Missouri
Posts: 1,783
Default Re: Insulation material

The 3m stick in panels do well and are waterproof . It can be purchased At the body shop supply houses.
Larry
larrys40 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-23-2020, 11:10 PM   #12
M2M
Senior Member
 
M2M's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Australia/USA/EU/Soviet Russia
Posts: 1,105
Default Re: Insulation material

https://www.lowes.com/pd/Reflectix-R...5-ft-L/3011906
__________________

M2M is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-23-2020, 11:26 PM   #13
Russ/40
Senior Member
 
Russ/40's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Santee, California
Posts: 3,292
Default Re: Insulation material

There is a material sold at Lowe's that is made for the roofing industry. It comes in a roll about 10" wide. It is a foil similar to Dynamat, with a very sticky backing about 3mm thick. It is a fraction of the cost of Dynamat and an effective sound deader. About $10 a roll. It's a roofing product, so you know it sticks for good. I used it throughout my RPU cab.
Russ/40 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2020, 07:25 AM   #14
dmaxweb
Senior Member
 
dmaxweb's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Williamsburg, VA
Posts: 439
Default Re: Insulation material

Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ/40 View Post
There is a material sold at Lowe's that is made for the roofing industry. It comes in a roll about 10" wide. It is a foil similar to Dynamat, with a very sticky backing about 3mm thick. It is a fraction of the cost of Dynamat and an effective sound deader. About $10 a roll. It's a roofing product, so you know it sticks for good. I used it throughout my RPU cab.
Peel & Seal from Lowes

https://www.lowes.com/pd/Peel-Seal-I...ashing/1018733

Used 3 layers in doors & behind kick panels and 2 layers elsewhere as sound deadener. Made a huge difference.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 20191030_151234.jpg (30.8 KB, 75 views)
File Type: jpg 20190831_141346.jpg (27.8 KB, 72 views)
File Type: jpg 20190831_140947.jpg (41.5 KB, 73 views)
File Type: jpg 20190831_140913.jpg (54.0 KB, 73 views)

Last edited by dmaxweb; 04-24-2020 at 07:31 AM.
dmaxweb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2020, 10:40 AM   #15
30 Closed Cab PU
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 2,296
Default Re: Insulation material

Adhesive types - any concerns when used in door/body cavities of holding moisture?
30 Closed Cab PU is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2020, 10:53 AM   #16
lsr490
Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: RTP North Carolina
Posts: 68
Default Re: Insulation material

Quote:
Originally Posted by 30 Closed Cab PU View Post
Adhesive types - any concerns when used in door/body cavities of holding moisture?
That was my concern, that is why I used the product I used. If you cut it 1/8" larger the the vertical surface it will stay in place on its own. As you can see my only experience is with a CCPU, cars may have different challenges. The product that M2M and others have mentioned is similar or the same. The filer between the foil is recycled milk jugs. I would not use the bubble wrap that is sandwiched between foil.
__________________
"Avoid Model A Mythsteries. Read, study and challenge ALL advice with current logic, chemistry and technology!" author unknown

Last edited by lsr490; 04-24-2020 at 10:54 AM. Reason: sp
lsr490 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2020, 11:11 AM   #17
30 Closed Cab PU
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 2,296
Default Re: Insulation material

lsr490 - Thanks for the tips/info. I tried the link you posted in post 6 - get a 404 page not found error.


My A is also a ccpu, and additionally liked seeing your install of seatbelts - a future project I need to consider.
30 Closed Cab PU is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2020, 11:42 AM   #18
lsr490
Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: RTP North Carolina
Posts: 68
Default Re: Insulation material

I'll try to update the link this evening

Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk
__________________
"Avoid Model A Mythsteries. Read, study and challenge ALL advice with current logic, chemistry and technology!" author unknown
lsr490 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2020, 12:00 PM   #19
Y-Blockhead
Senior Member
 
Y-Blockhead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
Posts: 4,265
Default Re: Insulation material

Quote:
Originally Posted by 30 Closed Cab PU View Post
Adhesive types - any concerns when used in door/body cavities of holding moisture?
I had thought about that also. The Dynamat REALLY sticks and if you pay attention to sealing it, especially around the edges, I don't see how moisture could get behind it (but I suppose anything is posible). They sell a little wooden roller to seal it flat.

Also in the pictire below, you can see the top of the Dynamat is above the bottom of the window so any water getting past the window seal will flow on the outside of the Dynamat.

And lastly, it doesn't rain much in SoCAl. And when it does I don't drive the Ol' Girl.

__________________
Y-Blockhead
'30 Briggs Town Sedan
'55 Ford Ranchwagon
_________________________________
And once again that is just my 1 worth.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51ufACHJMfU
Y-Blockhead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2020, 01:21 PM   #20
gary678*
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Middletown, NY
Posts: 72
Default Re: Insulation material

I used two layers of Dynamat Extreme, custom cut to top of cowl, applied with a small roller; great stuff to work with. I then had custom carpets installed and couldn't be happier!
gary678* is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:36 PM.