Go Back   The Ford Barn > General Discussion > Early V8 (1932-53)

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-11-2015, 05:17 AM   #1
48-710
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Mildura ,Australia
Posts: 163
Default Where have I gone wrong???

G'Day,
This problem is for the RHD blokes. I have fitted the engine and trans to my roadster only to find the starter motor end plate is hitting the nut that holds the pitman arm. It's all original '35 stuff and I never had the problem before I pulled it apart. I know that they run awful close but this is actually hitting. I have undone the front and rear mounts and levered the assy back as far as it will go . Still no joy. Any ideas guys?
Hoping that someone may know,
Regards,Gary
48-710 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-11-2015, 05:44 AM   #2
scooder
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 2,593
Default Re: Where have I gone wrong???

Are you using the same starter and pan as before? I ask as the Lucas starter is shorter bodied than the American starters. I mention the pan, as this matches the starter, round hole which is slightly bigger is American, smaller sort of egg shaped hole is for the Lucas starter. The bendix tin cover is also different, short is American, long is Lucas.
Nother possibility, the transmission mount, is it possible to fit this upside down on the 35? This, if it's offset, could be holding the back in the wrong place, making a very small gap into a nonexistent gap?
Martin.
scooder is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
Old 03-11-2015, 03:47 PM   #3
48-710
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Mildura ,Australia
Posts: 163
Default Re: Where have I gone wrong???

Martin,
You may have hit the jackpot. I did change the pan because the drain plug was in the correct place. Also,I noticed that the hole was egg shaped making it easier to fit and remove the starter.Thanks for the quick reply.
48-710 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-11-2015, 05:18 PM   #4
scooder
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 2,593
Default Re: Where have I gone wrong???

Are you using a Lucas starter? This is the one that matches the egg shaped hole. If your using an American starter, it won't sit fully home on the egg shaped hole. The American starter has a larger diameter sticky out bit on the bendix end, and this won't fit the diameter of the round section of the egg hole. The bolt holes are in the same place. The egg hole can be whittled out to fit the American starter with a die grinder or similar. If doing this please clearly mark the diameter of the new big hole accurately. This hole is the register for the sticky out bit on the starter, if the hole is off location, jammed starters, chewed teeth and broken springs are a given.
This done, the starter should clear, just, it's tight in there.
Let us know how it goes,
Martin.
scooder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-11-2015, 05:34 PM   #5
Mart
Senior Member
 
Mart's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Solihull, England.
Posts: 8,733
Default Re: Where have I gone wrong???

Lucas type starter, pan and flywheel should be used as a set, as should USA types. The flywheel for the lucas starter has finer teeth, as does the bendix. The register is smaller and fits the egg shaped hole as Scooder has already said. The egg shaped hole can be opened up to suit an american type starter, but the flywheel needs to be the usa type as well.

Mart.
Mart is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-11-2015, 08:49 PM   #6
Brian
Senior Member
 
Brian's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Masterton, New Zealand
Posts: 3,816
Default Re: Where have I gone wrong???

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
Not only that...the two tapped holes that hold the starter are oriented differently - English and American, which can also create interference with one of the bolt heads and the steering box if using an American starter on English pan.
__________________
Unfortunately, two half wits don't make a whole wit!
Brian is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-11-2015, 08:53 PM   #7
Brian
Senior Member
 
Brian's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Masterton, New Zealand
Posts: 3,816
Default Re: Where have I gone wrong???

Easiest way out for you Gary, is to pull the starter, yes, I know..a pain in the butt, and modify the spigot on mounting face of starter to suit the smaller hole in the English pan. Then it will all work out for you, I know, cause I run that same setup in my 35.
__________________
Unfortunately, two half wits don't make a whole wit!
Brian is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2015, 12:37 AM   #8
48-710
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Mildura ,Australia
Posts: 163
Default Re: Where have I gone wrong???

Gentlemen,
Boy " O " boy we learn something new every day!!.
Martin.. I'm using the US starter because it has been rebuilt and as Mart has said the ring gear is different.
Mart.. Thanks for the info on the ring gear etc.
Brian.. Seeing that you have overcome this problem on your '35 I will attack it as you have suggested. Seeing that I'm at the rolling chassis stage at the moment I will pull the motor and check it out properly.
Thanks fellas for the replies.This internet thinggy is great isn't it.
Regards,
Gary
48-710 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2015, 03:18 AM   #9
Mart
Senior Member
 
Mart's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Solihull, England.
Posts: 8,733
Default Re: Where have I gone wrong???

Quote:
Originally Posted by 48-710 View Post
This internet thinggy is great isn't it.
Regards,
Gary
Yes it is. Old Ford help and advice is global.
Mart is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2015, 05:15 AM   #10
scooder
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 2,593
Default Re: Where have I gone wrong???

Mart,
I didn't mention the flywheel, should have to give the whole picture, sorry.
I had guessed he was using the American starter due to the clearance issue. If he was using the Lucas starter there wouldn't have been a clearance problem I thought.
Your completely correct, sump (pan), flywheel and starter are a set, and should by used together.
I have experienced on some American prewar blocks, the Lucas type flywheel (144 teeth) won't clear the inside of the bell without a bit of clearance grinding.
Brian,
When you say modify the spigot on the starter, you don't face it all flat do you? I'd just face flat down to the required diameter hopefully leaving some kind of register at the new diameter, be it just that just the strengthening webs or somesuch.
Martin.
scooder is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:58 AM.