Kit for mating juice brakes to early spindles-Richard's Early V8 garage?

[Tim Ayers]

Does anyone know where I can buy the hydraulic conversion kit to allow the use of juice backing plates and early spindles?

The kit consists of two steel rings, two smaller adapter rings that slide over the spindle bolts and two cone-shaped shims.

Thanks,

[JSeery]

Speedway is not always popular on here, but they have them.

[Tim Ayers]

Originally Posted by JSeery

Speedway is not always popular on here, but they have them.

Hi:

Do you know what the list it under? I only found the F-100 and Mustang II conversion kits on their site. I guess I could call, but I'd like to have a part # on hand. Seems to help the ordering process.

Thanks,

Tim

[325w]

Used to use a top piston ring for the steel ring. Made our own spacers.

[Tony, NY]

http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Hydrau...ings,3286.html

[JSeery]

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Well, I'm moving to slow this morning! Tony has it.

[Tim Ayers]

Thank you all!

[trainguy]

Originally Posted by JSeery

Speedway is not always popular on here, but they have them.

I have never had any problems with Speedway,I only wish some of the other suppliers were a good as them!Phil

[deuce_roadster]

I have the Early V8 Garage kit on my 32 coupe. Go to their website and call Richard.
Old school way was to use a Model A piston ring and chevy valve seat for the spacer but the piston ring is cast iron and every one I have removed has been broken.

[JSeery]

Originally Posted by trainguy

I have never had any problems with Speedway,I only wish some of the other suppliers were a good as them!Phil

I agree, but because they sell a lot of none USA parts they are not held in high esteem. But it is about the same with most of the suppliers. Only sure way out is NOS!

[JM 35 Sedan]

Originally Posted by trainguy

I have never had any problems with Speedway,I only wish some of the other suppliers were a good as them!Phil

I agree with this post. Have purchased many things from Speedway, and many orders have been heavy parts that were sent with free shipping. I know some of their stuff is "knock off" from China, but I usually know how to avoid that.

[john in illinois]

On my model A I had trouble with the cone rotating with the seal and wearing.
This caused frequent wheel bearing adjustments when I was on a long trip.

I discovered MT Car products Had ones that were a light press fit on the spindle and with a little locktite ,they have been trouble free.

http://www.mtcarproducts.com/Adapters-and-Spacers.html

John

[Charlie Stephens]

Your problem is the same as they have with a Model A. Try Dennis Cling at clingsaftermarket.com, (480) 777-1202 I am sure he has them. He also modifies backing plates by plugging and redrilling the holes to the new bolt pattern. Most people, myself included, just slot the holes.

Charlie Stephens

[Tim Ayers]

Originally Posted by Charlie Stephens

Your problem is the same as they have with a Model A. Try Dennis Cling at clingsaftermarket.com, (480) 777-1202 I am sure he has them. He also modifies backing plates by plugging and redrilling the holes to the new bolt pattern. Most people, myself included, just slot the holes.

Charlie Stephens

I want to install juice plates to '32 spindles.

[Kahuna]

Tim
I got brakes for my 32 spindles from Richard @ Early V8 garage. The backing plates (Lincoln type) bolted right on without problem. I also got the spacers, etc from Richard.
Everything fit like a glove, no slotting necessary.

[Charlie Stephens]

Originally Posted by Tim Ayers

I want to install juice plates to '32 spindles.

This is what I have on my '32 (post war, 1946-48, Ford brakes). The only problem is that the bolt pattern in the spindles is larger on the hydraulic brakes than it is on the 1928-36 spindles. Although the spindles are different the instructions for the Model A are the same as they are for any 1928-36 passenger chassis. Try Dennis Cling at clingsaftermarket.com, (480) 777-1202 I am sure he has the adapters. He also modifies backing plates by plugging and redrilling the holes to the new bolt pattern. Most people, myself included, just slot the holes. Richard Lacy at [email protected], (626) 338-2282 is also an excellent source of parts and information.

Charlie Stephens

[John R]

In my recent experience with the small ring that provides the sealing surface: the one sold by MT and EFV8 Garage is slightly too large (vs. Ford spec) on the ID and needs to be assembled with locktite on the spindle. Some of the spindles are also worn a few thousands in this area, making matters worse.

[prpmmp]

Originally Posted by Charlie Stephens

This is what I have on my '32 (post war, 1946-48, Ford brakes). The only problem is that the bolt pattern in the spindles is larger on the hydraulic brakes than it is on the 1928-36 spindles. Although the spindles are different the instructions for the Model A are the same as they are for any 1928-36 passenger chassis. Try Dennis Cling at clingsaftermarket.com, (480) 777-1202 I am sure he has the adapters. He also modifies backing plates by plugging and redrilling the holes to the new bolt pattern. Most people, myself included, just slot the holes. Richard Lacy at [email protected], (626) 338-2282 is also an excellent source of parts and information.

Charlie Stephens

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/t...-fords.215720/ Neat Thread!! Pete

[Richard (EV8G)]

Originally Posted by John R

In my recent experience with the small ring that provides the sealing surface: the one sold by MT and EFV8 Garage is slightly too large (vs. Ford spec) on the ID and needs to be assembled with locktite on the spindle. Some of the spindles are also worn a few thousands in this area, making matters worse.

The bearing spacers from MT and Early V8 Garage were made to be a press fit on UNWORN spindles, but almost all of the spindles have enough wear that red locktite is needed to prevent rotation.

[HotRodmicky]

Buy Richards kit!
Way better than speedway

[CSArno]

Isnt Tim going to have to change his front drums/hubs to a 40-48 style with drums on the outside also?

[Tim Ayers]

Originally Posted by CSArno

Isnt Tim going to have to change his front drums/hubs to a 40-48 style with drums on the outside also?

That is what I have already. Car is a '28 AV8 with 40's juice brakes.

[rich b]

Originally Posted by HotRodmicky

Buy Richards kit!
Way better than speedway

In what way? Just curious, as I could not find any info or pictures of Richard's kit.

[TnA]

speedways kit is a piston ring, just installed my kit and the ring snaped in 3 pcs. cast.

[Tim Ayers]

Originally Posted by TnA

speedways kit is a piston ring, just installed my kit and the ring snaped in 3 pcs. cast.

Snapped in meaning it went well or it broke into three pieces?

[Bored&Stroked]

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Originally Posted by HotRodmicky

Buy Richards kit!
Way better than speedway

Yes, I used to use the 'piston ring' type of setup - crude, but kinda works. Richard's setup has the holes in the right location (and size) - is just a better all around setup.

And tack weld the adapter plates to the inside of your backing plates. If you want to see an example, just ask (as I just took my plates apart to get them ready for paint).

B&S

[Tim Ayers]

Originally Posted by Bored&Stroked

And tack weld the adapter plates to the inside of your backing plates. If you want to see an example, just ask (as I just took my plates apart to get them ready for paint).

B&S

Hey Dale,

I would like to see a picture. I'll PM you my e-mail address. Thanks,

Tim

[HotRodmicky]

Originally Posted by Tim Ayers

Hey Dale,

I would like to see a picture. I'll PM you my e-mail address. Thanks,

Tim

Hi Tim,
Once you see the pic, you will buy it!

I used it a couple of times and really like it

[Tim Ayers]

Originally Posted by HotRodmicky

Hi Tim,
Once you see the pic, you will buy it!

I used it a couple of times and really like it

Thanks. Sounds like a good endorsement.

[CSArno]

Here is a pic of the Lockheed front backing plate on the spindle. This is after I plug welded and re drilled the holes. You can see the adaptor ring in the middle.

[Tim Ayers]

You guys that are welding up the holes, are you using TIG or MIG? I like how clean it looks with the holes plugged and re-drilled.

[FlatheadTed]

this is 34 to 39-40

[Tim Ayers]

Originally Posted by FlatheadTed

this is 34 to 39-40

I thought about doing this as well. My concern was messing up a set of '32 spindles by generating too much heat from the MIG. If I had a TIG, I would go this route.

Maybe my concern is unfounded, but love to hear from others who added width to the spindle sides v. modifying the backing plate.

[CSArno]

Originally Posted by Tim Ayers

You guys that are welding up the holes, are you using TIG or MIG? I like how clean it looks with the holes plugged and re-drilled.

I used the mig to plug up my holes. Welding up the spindles like that scares me too. Really a lot of work for not much gain in the end. Plus i am trying to keep it so we can put the original mechanical brakes back on in case I become a total purist some day

[FlatheadTed]

The difference between mig and tig would be minimal if you are welding 4 holes the amount of heat concentrated would no different .( the spindles are Ford drop forged very strong .) this car was imported from the US so these were done possibly 30 years ago .what I am doing here is duplicating what was done to get it complied as the spindle race had been welded on the one of it ..,I later cut this of to restore it as I only welded one side

Originally Posted by Tim Ayers

I thought about doing this as well. My concern was messing up a set of '32 spindles by generating too much heat from the MIG. If I had a TIG, I would go this route.

Maybe my concern is unfounded, but love to hear from others who added width to the spindle sides v. modifying the backing plate.

[FlatheadTed]

Here's the back ,By plug welding you are getting close to the edge your not adding any material

[Fred A]

The backing plates from MT Car Products come in both spindle patterns. Those Bendix style brakes also work very well on front only. Interesting that some still choose to use those inferior Lockheed brakes. The '39-'48 cars I've owned all have gone Bendix. Well not all. The '40 woodie I had was stolen before I had a chance to convert it. Crap brakes is a common argument when our government friends try to regulate our old cars off the road. Good Luck: Fred A

[FlatheadTed]

The Lockheed can work ok providing they are adjusted to the book and a suitable lining fitted ,the car here had poor brakes until I put a better quality lining on them ,the tendency in the 70-80-90-was to fit linings suitable to power booster system .

[Bored&Stroked]

Here are Richard's conversion plates installed on a set of 39-48 backing plates (which have been modified for Bendix style brakes by Bass). The adapter plates have a few small TIG tack welds to hold them in place - works out really well. One could also plug weld the original bolt holes - would clean it up a bit more.

Dale

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[V8COOPMAN]

[QUOTE=Bored&Stroked;1043809]Here are Richard's conversion plates installed on a set of 39-48 backing plates (which have been modified for Bendix style brakes by Bass).
QUOTE]

Anything that Bass touches or has a hand in turns-out to be a work of art. DD

[ct1932ford]

Is the Early V8 Garage still in business?? I have not had contact since July when Richard said he would get back to me on a brake line set up. I have been trying to reach him by phone and email. No response?? Thanks

[Bored&Stroked]

I'm helping a friend build his 32 Roadster and he ordered a set of the adapter plates from Richard about a month ago - and I tacked them onto his 40 backing plates. I'm sure Richard is still in business - he just tends to be very busy and isn't great about returning calls. I'd just try him again . . .

[Joe31]

I have a set of 4 1940 backing plates with shoes, painted black, excellent shape, has plates welded on front for 32 spindles. 350.00.

[russcc]

Hi Tim

Here is one solution. I have a set of 39-41 backing plates re-drilled for '32 spindles. Shown in the photos are a rear backing plate mounted on a '32 spindle, the '32-34 spindle, and the backing plate complete w/hardware & shoes.

[Mart]

Here's how I did mine.

https://youtu.be/4sVdRkusfEA

Mart.

[Tim Ayers]

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Update:

I used one of Richard's kits and all went together very nicely. One tip, if you're particular, you should use the '32 style round grease shields vs. the '40 "square" style.

I didn't realize they were different hole spacing (duh, makes sense now) until mounting them.

[Mart]

A small indentation along the top of the round shields gives enough clearance for the springs.

[cas3]

I welded a piece of 1/4" square stock around the 32-34 spindle, then welded the holes all shut, and drilled to match the later backing plates. A little work with a flap disc and you cant see it was done.

[Bored&Stroked]

I question whether grease shields are even necessary these days? You don't have them on almost any modern drum brake and the quality of the lip seals are very good. I don't believe there is any issue - in NOT using them at all.

[big deuce]

I sell these laser cut weld on rings, weld the holes shut and redrill using '40 backing plate as template, two weld on rings, two centric rings $85 shipped in states.

[Mart]

^^ neat job.