Kroil substitute...

[Steve Plucker]

A few months back someone said that a substitue for Kroil is one part ATF (Automatic Transmission Fluid) and one part Acetone.

Tried that but the two seperate.

Is there a certain "brand" of each to use or not to use?

Thanks.

Pluck

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Steve, that is what we found too, plus when we heated a fastener with a torch and sprayed the mixture on it, it burst into flames whereas the Kroil just smokes and penetrates/wicks in. We personally did not find this mixture better, ...and more likely it was just a "wives tail" that got started by someone on a forum that took off because it seemed believable.

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[Steve Plucker]

Originally Posted by BRENT in 10-uh-C

Steve, that is what we found too, plus when we heated a fastener with a torch and sprayed the mixture on it, it burst into flames whereas the Kroil just smokes and penetrates/wicks in. We personally did not find this mixture better, ...and more likely it was just a "wives tail" that got started by someone on a forum that took off because it seemed believable.

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Brent,

I am thinking the same thing...probably someone in the ATF or Acetone busisness thinking up ways to get more sales!

Thanks Brent.

Pluck

[criswellnk]

Machinist's Workshop Magazine did a trial study of different penetrating fluids in their April 2007 issue, I have it somewhere around the house. Granted these were not done on threaded fasteners but press-fit pins. It was an interesting article with good information, and the ATF-Acetone mix was head and shoulders above the rest. I would like to have seen them do the same testing with threaded fasteners though.

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Originally Posted by criswellnk

Machinist's Workshop Magazine did a trial study of different penetrating fluids in their April 2007 issue, I have it somewhere around the house. Granted these were not done on threaded fasteners but press-fit pins. It was an interesting article with good information, and the ATF-Acetone mix was head and shoulders above the rest. I would like to have seen them do the same testing with threaded fasteners though.

WHY do you (--or they) think this combination of chemicals is so much better than all the rest of products out there? Any opinions or guesses??

Common sense would tell me that someone else would have stumbled onto and already marketed this product in an aerosol or drip container if it were that simple and that much better. Companies that manufacture PB Blaster and Kroil have likely spent much time R&D-ing and formulating products and would have taken the easier road if all it took was a little acetone and some ATF.



BTW, exactly what makes Lucas Oil Products so much better that they sell that much product. While I am a skeptic for the product, they evidently must be selling a bunch of the stuff because Lucus not only sponsors several race car teams, sanctions several venues of motorsports, and even owns a stadium. THAT don't come cheap, so they must be sellin' it to somebody. I tend to think that oil manufacturers would have purchased the Lucus stuff, analyzed & tested it, and then formulated it into their own product if it really did what Lucus claims. I dunno, ...maybe I am giving too much credit to the petroleum industry, --but I doubt it. Is my thinking wrong in this??

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[mrtexas]

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Originally Posted by Steve Plucker

A few months back someone said that a substitue for Kroil is one part ATF (Automatic Transmission Fluid) and one part Acetone.

Tried that but the two seperate.

Is there a certain "brand" of each to use or not to use?

Thanks.

Pluck

Nope, acetone doesn't mix with oil. Acetone is a polar liquid like water and alcohol. Water and oil don't mix.

[John Butts in CT]

No offense, everyone, but this thread puts me in mind of my son and daughter-in-law, who are GREAT pastry chefs, but who often find themselves "out" of one ingredient or another. They always try to substitute. The results, while technically "edible," are interesting, to say the least. Trust me... there IS a difference between baking POWDER and baking SODA.

Moving on to Model A's, we could all spend a lot of time trying to replicate "Kroil," "Deep Creep," etc. (We could also build our own computers, but I prefer to rely on Dell.)

My point? Life's too short. Pick your product. Buy retail. Move on; get the job done, and drive your "A's."

[rob mcdonald]

Acetone is a thin or light flammable liquid that may seep or penetrate into pressed pins or threads. Acetone evaporates quickly and maybe the ATF separates but covers the Acetone to slow evaporation long enough to allow penetration.
I doubt if I have a clue what I’m talking about but it makes for a story.
One thing I am sure of is the Acetone MSDS is worth reading “CANCER” before you use it under any circumstance. This time of year grounding of flammable liquids containers is a good idea and is required for businesses year round.

[Special Coupe Frank]

Originally Posted by mrtexas

Nope, acetone doesn't mix with oil. Acetone is a polar liquid like water and alcohol. Water and oil don't mix.

Is it possible to emulsify the two, similar to making mayonnaise ?

Would it hang together long enough to wick into a rusted joint ?

[Chris Haynes]

Someone once told me that Kroil was a mixture of Kerosene & OIL.

[Mike V. Florida]

I looked on the internet for this recipe and had a hard time finding a person that actually used this formula. They all heard or someone read that it works. One forum where a poster put the results of the magazine article was asked if he actually saw the article because he could not find it, no answer.

Anyway I did find one person that said he mixed up a batch and he said he used type F ATF.

Anyone want to try and report back!!

[John Butts in CT]

Originally Posted by Mike V. Florida

Anyone want to try and report back!!

If you survive, of course.

[Craig Lewis]

When I finally listened to the rants & raves and purchased some Kroil I was pretty impressed.
I'm not sure why you would look for an alternative, it works that well.
Good products sell themselves...while others put their development dollars into advertizing.

[FL&WVMIKE]

STEVE PLUCKER .......................
People have used the Automatic Transmission Fluid and Aceton with GREAT success.
Now, you do have to SHAKE it well, to mix it up, EVERY time ! If you don't, it won't work.
MIKE

[Dennis Pereira]

Originally Posted by Mike V. Florida

I looked on the internet for this recipe and had a hard time finding a person that actually used this formula. They all heard or someone read that it works. One forum where a poster put the results of the magazine article was asked if he actually saw the article because he could not find it, no answer.

Anyway I did find one person that said he mixed up a batch and he said he used type F ATF.

Anyone want to try and report back!!

I tried type f and acetone mix to try and free up some stuck pistons let soak all summer I kept refreshing the mix my opinion is it don't work there still stuck.

[Brendan1959]

I like the "RGS" above,
My favorite product, "SYB"
Brendan

[Special Coupe Frank]

Originally Posted by Brendan1959

I like the "RGS" above,
My favorite product, "SYB"
Brendan

ROTFLMAO !

Of course, I've never used those words...

[Tom Wesenberg]

Originally Posted by Mike V. Florida

I looked on the internet for this recipe and had a hard time finding a person that actually used this formula. They all heard or someone read that it works. One forum where a poster put the results of the magazine article was asked if he actually saw the article because he could not find it, no answer.

Anyway I did find one person that said he mixed up a batch and he said he used type F ATF.

Anyone want to try and report back!!

That was probably me reporting a few months ago. I had to shake the mix before each use, then it seemed to soak in well. Now, I need to thread a grease zerk into a 1/2" pipe plug and screw it into my one cylinder Maytag and see if a grease gun can knock the piston loose.

[dave in australia]

I use penetrene, which always works for me. It's an Aussie product but I don't know if it's available overseas.

[Tom Wesenberg]

Originally Posted by fordgarage

I am not familiar with Maytags, but are you able to close both valves? Then it might work.

This is a 2 stroke washing machine engine, and I hope the piston isn't down enough to have the ports open. I also hope it isn't at top dead center.

[RonC]

Originally Posted by BRENT in 10-uh-C

WHY do you (--or they) think this combination of chemicals is so much better than all the rest of products out there? Any opinions or guesses??

Common sense would tell me that someone else would have stumbled onto and already marketed this product in an aerosol or drip container if it were that simple and that much better. Companies that manufacture PB Blaster and Kroil have likely spent much time R&D-ing and formulating products and would have taken the easier road if all it took was a little acetone and some ATF.



BTW, exactly what makes Lucas Oil Products so much better that they sell that much product. While I am a skeptic for the product, they evidently must be selling a bunch of the stuff because Lucus not only sponsors several race car teams, sanctions several venues of motorsports, and even owns a stadium. THAT don't come cheap, so they must be sellin' it to somebody. I tend to think that oil manufacturers would have purchased the Lucus stuff, analyzed & tested it, and then formulated it into their own product if it really did what Lucus claims. I dunno, ...maybe I am giving too much credit to the petroleum industry, --but I doubt it. Is my thinking wrong in this??

.

I'm with Brent. And you can add all those oil additives for decreased engine wear and higher gas mileage and engine add ons that claim to increase gas mileage to the list.

[CarlG]

Originally Posted by Tom Wesenberg

This is a 2 stroke washing machine engine...

AH!... Maytag ---the first engine I ever used in a go-cart when I was 12!

[BUBBAS IGNITION]

Originally Posted by fordgarage

The best substitute for Kroil is More Kroil!

Amen !!!

One of the problems we have experienced in the fuel injector reconditioning business is short shelf life ( after ultrasonically cleaning and flowing).
We had tried just about every thing and marvel mystry oil worked the best but not perfect. A call to the "kroil" folks and the guy says you are close with the Marvel but you need to blend some Kroil into it. We now pack every injector in a 3/1 mixture of marvel/kroil.
This is a picture a friend made me to apply the mix thru the fuel injector.

My wife loves the smell of kroil on my clothes.....rbg :>)

[Tom Wesenberg]

Originally Posted by CarlG

AH!... Maytag ---the first engine I ever used in a go-cart when I was 12!

My neighbor had a Maytag twin on his go kart back in 1963. It was a lot of fun.

Bubbas Ignition, your wife is right. The smell of Kroil is great. I like it even better than my antique bottle of Singer sewing oil, which smells like all the old machine sheds on the farms.

[BUBBAS IGNITION]

forgot the pic ???

[Uncle Bob]

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Originally Posted by BRENT in 10-uh-C

............. I tend to think that oil manufacturers would have purchased the Lucus stuff, analyzed & tested it, and then formulated it into their own product if it really did what Lucus claims. I dunno, ...maybe I am giving too much credit to the petroleum industry, --but I doubt it. Is my thinking wrong in this??

.

No, you are thinking 100% logically.
Perhaps you share my fondness for that old saying, "Why is common sense so uncommon?"

[bagpiper]

After reading all of the threads about Kroil substitute, I cant help but ask; Why don't you just buy Kroil and be done with it? It only costs about 5 bucks.

[1931 flamingo]

I think the discussion was more about what's being used and what might be better/best. JMO
Paul in CT

[Tom Wesenberg]

Originally Posted by bagpiper

After reading all of the threads about Kroil substitute, I cant help but ask; Why don't you just buy Kroil and be done with it? It only costs about 5 bucks.

The spray can of Kroil I bought 5 years ago cost $12 at the sporting goods store. I thought that was too much. Where is it $5?

[Chris Haynes]

From the Kano Labs website. I buy it by the case.

AeroKroil (Kroil aerosol) - $11.00 /per individual 10 oz. can
AeroKroil Case of (12) 10 oz. - $95.00/case
AeroKroil Kingsize 13 oz. can - $12.00 /per individual 13 oz. can
AeroKroil Kingsize Case of (12) 13 oz. cans - $113.95 /cs
AeroKroil Industrial Size 16.5 oz. aerosol can - $16.00 /individual can
AeroKroil Industrial Size 16.5 oz. aerosol cans - 12cn/cs - $133.75 /cs

[vtwinsideways]

Been using mercron/dexron for years. It's not quick, but it works great. Mixed it with lacquer thinner- yes it's toxic, like everything else in the garage (that's why they don't call it the kitchen) and had quicker results. Caution: don't eat it, breathe it, bathe in it, smoke it or light it with a match. Don't let your dog roll in it. YES it causes cancer. Yes that used motor oil under your nails is highly carcinogenic as well boys. Sorry to poop on the parade, but practically everything liquid or semi-liquid we use in the garage is bad stuff, from bearing grease to wiper fluid, it is all toxic in some way either to us or Mother Nature. My experience with type F is that it stinks and doesn't work as good. If you have to heat it it stinks even worse. The answer of the effectiveness of any penetrant lies in the detergents no matter which product we are talking about. Luke

[CarlG]

Try this:

http://www.amazon.com/Kano-Kroil-Pen.../dp/B000F09CF4

[Special Coupe Frank]

I last bought Kroil about 8-10 years ago.... got one can of Aero-Kroil, and a one gallon can. The Aero-Kroil seems frightfully expensive and was gone in a couple months; the gallon has lasted years & I have given away some to friends.

I bought direct from Kano labs.

[John Butts in CT]

Originally Posted by bagpiper

After reading all of the threads about Kroil substitute, I cant help but ask; Why don't you just buy Kroil and be done with it? It only costs about 5 bucks.

Amen. That's where I was headed way back in post #8. JMHO

[Crazydaddyo]

I've heard that Dryer Sheets not only free rusted threaded fasteners, but they also are a good replacement for Zinc in motor oil.

Government studies have also shown gas mileage improvements of 40 - 50%.

If you are able to stuff 5-6 of these in the spark plug hole of a stuck cylinder the engine will not only free itself, but it will rebuild the engine as it works it's way through.

This brand works the best:

[vtwinsideways]

CDO: which hole does it go in to improve your gas?... ;<}

[Crazydaddyo]

Originally Posted by vtwinsideways

CDO: which hole does it go in to improve your gas?... ;<}

Number 2

[Bruce Adams]

Originally Posted by Jeff/Illinois

One thing I am sure of is the Acetone MSDS is worth reading “CANCER” before you use it under any circumstance.

Yikes. I guess I knew it was nasty stuff but in paint prep at John Deere, we had 55 gallon drums of the stuff and used to swap down parts and gull wing doors on the Combines that were being re-painted and thought nothing of it. Just grabbed some cheese cloth or cloth rags, soaked it down and went to town. You had to hurry as there was a lot of re-work to do.

One of my friends in that Dept. came down with a brain tumor and died at 58 years old. Another good friend also in the Dept developed a weird muscle condition went off on disability and died about a month later at 56 years old. They told us it was dangerous but you get in a hurry and forget about it. The MSDS also said to be careful.

While I am sure that Acetone is a dangerous fluid, who says it is carcinogenic?
Apparenntly not those responsible for investigating it as shown below.

http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts21.pdf

[Bruce Adams]

Apparerently MSDS also does not concider it a carcinogen.

http://mfc.engr.arizona.edu/safety/M...ER/Acetone.pdf

[Ralph Round rock]

Steve,
Look at this forum. It may answer some of your questions.http://forums.190slgroup.com/showthr...-Oils-Compared
Ralph