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What a surprise...
The hobby has just been dealt a favor and our good suppliers are sure to pick up alot of business from the uneducated who used Macs... Last edited by Mitch//pa; 06-08-2016 at 10:45 AM. |
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Wow, not really surprised. Hate to see 70 people loose their jobs, but it will strengthen the other suppliers..
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I guess that is to be expected, when customer complaints go unheeded. The biggest issue, their formula for shipping charges. It could have been fixed. Only took Hecklers 4 years to ruin the company.
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I hate to see 70 people lose their jobs, but nowhere did the article say that MAC's was closing for good, just it's Lockport facility - my bet is they will resume polluting the parts supply chain from another location with either a cheaper labor pool or a lower property value...
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This article says that they're moving to Florida:
http://www.lockportjournal.com/news/...bf1f3a96e.html
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I totally disagree they have done the hobby a favor. I have had an excellent relationship with them with one minor problem with over $20,000 in sales. To suggest that the elimination of competition is favorable is totally ludicrous. To have a small percentage of Barners complain ( maybe 100 in 72,000 ) is not significant. This is a sad announcement for our hobby. Wayne
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Yow!!!!!!!!! The Corvette parts guy died recently in Florida,,,, (Eckler? Eckhardt?) maybe they are consolidating his business into theirs?? |
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If we would ask most of our individual Model A Parts Supplier "Owners", or any self-employed person, what is going on, something tells me that most of our Model A Parts Supplier "Owners" would share in telling how difficult it is to operate any similar type business today, especially with ever increasing assessor appraisals, taxes, permits, accompanied with every Government Agency on earth dictating all of what small business owners "cannot" do and what limitations apply to what can be done.
Current Game Plan Scheme today appears to be to enhance layoffs with Government Regulations, take people like these 70 or so poor souls ..... add some of them to the list of welfare recipients receiving Free Peanuts ..... then ...... in the near future .... they will vote for more Free Peanuts. Seems like our old Model A's and our current senior working Model A owners may have lived in the best of times. Last edited by H. L. Chauvin; 06-08-2016 at 12:12 PM. Reason: typo |
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As I read both newspaper stories it doesn't read like they're going out of business, only consolidating location to Florida. Makes good business sense.
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When the new owners took over the Macs Lockport store it was hoped the company company could be brought back.
There was a time I enjoyed doing business with Macs, especially since they were fairly close by. But the service and quality declined drastically over the years and apparently was continued with the new ownership. |
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Drop the "blame the govt" message! Not appropriate for this site.
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The shipping cost vs the item cost killed them for me.
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The article says that the parent company, Eckler, is Florida based so it makes sense to consolidate Mac's with their other operations. Economies of scale, shared staff. Plus, there are more days that you can't ship out of Buffalo than you can't out of Florida due to winter weather.
Although I haven't ordered anything from them, I'm glad they are just moving and not going out of business. Competition is good for the hobby.
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Well, the good news is, with Mac's gone, all the bitchin will stop on the Barn!!!!!!!!!! Any way the one star bandit could disappear with them???? Just joking, ya know I love ya!!!!!
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Eckler's has expanded well beyond the Corvette market over the years, bringing economies of scale to a lot of collector car markets. They have a pretty big Mercedes division, not my first choice but my experiences have been decent overall. When we got the SL I was surprised they had such a presence, always thought "Corvettes" tied to that name.
The thing is, when a supplier is good, like Tam's, Snyder's and of course A&L you tend to stick with them. At least I do. Entry into this market must be tough, regarrdless of one'e experience with Mac's (I had no issue personally but have not bought from them in at least 10 years, others simply worked harder to win business) the reputation issues are there so it will be an uphill battle, but I bet they have some systems that work across the divisions.
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no surprise with NY taxes................ most companies headed south years ago- down south to NC, etc. where taxes are far more favorable.
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Hi ronn,
And if they decide to venture a little further south, much cheaper labor could enhance their even far more favorable taxes. I wish them well in Florida. |
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It is very difficult to operate a business in NY State. With the recent increase in minimum wage and the always high NY tax structure many companies have left NY for greener ($$$$) pastures. Endicott Johnson shoes, Grumman Aircraft , Zippo Lighters and many more. Lots of recent corruption recently exposed with very high ranking NY elected (google them) who fleece the taxpayers and then receive minimum sentences, and still collect their pensions. NO surprise Macs are relocating.
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Knew a Contractor years ago who told me he hired a Superintendent who hated Chevrolets & loved Fords. Then one day he won a Chevrolet pickup at a Church fair raffle. He drove it for about 150,000 miles with no problems until one day he was late for work. Told his boss he had a flat ..... plus, he had to add ..... you know, anything can happen with a damn Chevrolet. Pepsi, Coke, Sprite ...... Bud, Miller .... Blondes, Brunettes ...... just choices ..... never had a problem with MAC's ...... good catalog .... some would get out of Dodge just because of the new NY Restroom laws .... Freedom. Last edited by H. L. Chauvin; 06-08-2016 at 05:09 PM. Reason: typo |
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My limited online Model A Ford parts purchase experience with MAC's was quite positive. Bought several items at the same time which was sent in three different packages. Cost of shipping was around eight-bucks ($8.00) combined. The aluminum roof trim piece was shipped in a heavy 5-foot long tube Fine item - Good deal! Have been planning to purchase a few more oddball items and was going to check with MAC's first. Last edited by Capt Quahog; 06-08-2016 at 05:19 PM. |
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Well, it's unfortunate to lose any Model A supplier, even one that doesn't run their business very well. I used to buy from Mac's, when it first started. It seemed to head downhill under the new owners. The hobby has become much more sophisticated and informed about quality, and the price of a part needs to reflect that quality. That's just basic business. We buyers have said many times that we will pay more for accurate and reliable reproduction parts when we can get them.
Maybe Mac's will rethink their business plan in new quarters.
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Early this morning I had looked to see if Amazon.com had Model A Parts with free shipping for sale under "Prime".
None found; however, listed further down below, (not Amazon), maybe paragraph no 3 or so, on the Amazon's site was an ad for MAC'S ..... did not check the address for this MAC's. China is presently buying lots of major oil sites and oil businesses for billions in our immediate area ..... Wal-Mart Sales are paying off ...... at the rate we are advancing, appears we could soon be offered a Free Set Chop Sticks with our future orders Model A 600W ...... moving on up. |
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I have bought items from MAC's in the past but they are definitely aren't my first choice. But I will say, IMO, they have the best Tech info in their online catalog over any of the other vendors.
Example; http://www.macsautoparts.com/assets/.../A10000AHO.pdf Last edited by Y-Blockhead; 06-08-2016 at 11:00 PM. |
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Mac's may have not treated their customers the best but their paper catalog was the very best out there and their web site was equal the best.
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Had no idea MAC's is so close to Orlando and Disney in Florida.
Maybe some would like to think just a little on the positive side: Wife would never miss a Disney visit with Goofy & Mickey with the grand kids ... or even mind a short, friendly strategic Model A visit at MAC's on way home ....... save lots on shipping a few Model A "heavy" parts or "large" parts like fenders ..... win-win situation .... everybody could smile and get happy quick. |
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It really helps a new guy to have that reference. Just today there was someone asking about an Alternator wire connections. MAC's has the schematic and info. Bratton's, Berts and Snyder's don't. Installation of Alternator from MAC's online catalog. http://www.macsautoparts.com/assets/.../A10000AHO.pdf So yes. I stand by what I wrote. Last edited by Y-Blockhead; 06-08-2016 at 08:55 PM. |
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I have not been to Eckler's Florida location in a number of years, but if they have not expanded their building... I think it will be difficult to add the Model A parts to their shelves. I bought a lot of parts for my 55 Chevy there, and really had no problems.
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I've never had a problem with Macs. Ordered tons of parts over the years. Shipping is slow from New York to here, no matter what company it comes from. I can get a part from Florida quicker, even though its farther. Some people would complain about being hung with a new rope...
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im not surprised, with there outrageous shipping costs
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Per Mr. Eagle's "new rope" reply #33, i always find it hilarious to read Amazon.com's "One (1) Star Reviews", like:
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I agree with you Y block, great catalogue and their pricing hasnt been bad. the problems
seem to be with shipping and service. When Ecklers bought them, no improvements seem to have been made. There are only so many model A Ford parts companies that can stay alive in this "cottage" industry and most on here seem to prefer the other companies. I too used to buy from Macs, but Snyders and Mike's seem to have much more courteous service and nice to get your order in a week and not bits and pieces over 3-4 weeks. In any case, we've been lucky to have choices, which may not be in the future. |
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I for 1 will be a little unhappy to see Macs close for a few reasons
while not the best they were for international guys easy to buy online from and 1 of the better shippers as far as packaging and cost and it was possible to buy a mix of parts from T model to V8 and have it shipped together My experience is when a major supplier closes the others suppliers with the extra work load tend to have a drop in service and personal touch and increase in price as they increase stock storage and staff Last edited by colin1928; 06-09-2016 at 05:08 AM. |
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I happen to like Mac's myself and I will continue to use them until their negatives outweigh the positives for me in doing so. No issues in any dealings I have had with them so far, so no moans and groans from me about anything negative to speak of. It is a balancing act in comparing one vendor vs another for sales, service, pricing or shipping.
Not everyone has the same exact experiences with any of them and there is a big difference between liking a business because it meets your own needs vs disliking them because they don't operate just as you would have them do or that the new owners are not as good as the old ones. That doesn't mean one can't complain with legitimate gripes over service or costs and such, but everyone reading such gripes really has to take such with a grain of salt, as not everyone else will have the same view and the reality is often sort of somewhere between the views discussed. Any loss to the hobby is a loss, regardless. I hope they have continuing success so that the hobby itself doesn't suffer any loss at all. |
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I've been surprised that the Model A hobby can still support so many vendors! I try to spread my business around to all of them, and I really don't notice any difference in any of them.
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Well, we are lucky to have a true market with choices - a great advantage with these cars. I have had a couple of other cars where I HAD to deal with the outfit in NJ that rhymes with "Banter" - as in the Banter Bros. Clowns with the "well, you need it I have it and if you don't like it you can @#$% yourself" attitude. A little different from the nice guys you see on the HMN ads all the time...Can't say I have seen that with any pro A parts vendor. :-)
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New York State has a very large population of antique and vintage Ford owners, but many of them are negative about doing business with MAC's because of the 8% plus New York State sales tax.
I am empathetic for the people who will loose their jobs, but I did business with MAC's directly only once because the state sales tax.
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One more thing, I've read where the assessment and the subsequent responsibility for the anti business climate was laid a the Govt's feet and someone didn't like it. It was labeled "Anti Government" speech or some such. If it were not true, I'd agree with him. but regrettably, it is true. As a Tool and Die maker, (Once in, never out, completely) I've watched China "Eat our lunch" and I've wondered who was the fool who created this situation. Note I'm not talking about politics, This is misguided government policy! Terry |
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Started doing business with Mac's in the early eighties and never really had any bad experiences. Having been involved with the automotive accessory aftermarket since the early sixties, there is no doubt that local, state and federal rules, regulations and taxes have had a very negative on business catering to our hobby. To think otherwise is being naive.
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I think the consolidation of operations to Eckler's Florida location will benefit the Model A community. Management will be able to keep in close contact with the Model A parts division. Shipping rates may decrease due to economies of scale. The Model A community in Florida will GREATLY benefit from the move. The death of Jerry Isbell was a huge loss for us. Mikes A-Ford-Able became the closest place to get parts. If Eckler's moves the Model A parts to Titusville, those of us in Central Florida will be able to drive over and buy parts right from the sales counter. :-)
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Lot's of speculation and "well wishing" in this thread.
We do a bit of supplying to Mac's and have received a notice from them that they are MOVING. Posts #8 and #11 are correct. They are not closing. Peace, Phred |
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Well... For me, it's a PLUS. Titusville is only about 40 miles from here (Melbourne). Shipping should be less.. LOL That was the original Ecklers Corvette startup many years ago. But I am wondering where they will warehouse the parts. That place is relatively small.
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Well, I've never ordered from them directly, but recently I needed a starting crank for my roadster, so I bought one on eBay. It arrived very promptly and the shipping charge was nominal. It was shipped straight from Mac's.
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The Cantor boys of Boonton! Real "New Jersey"! Arrogant, etc and all the adjectives that go with it. Do you have a Packard or a mid fifties GM car. Mod A forget it. My friend Rick and I took a day and drove up there from Ocean Co.,and came home angry and grinding our teeth! The brother who answered the phone said yeah , we have model A parts, no problem. When we got there, other brother, told us No. Because it's visible from I 287, I had always wondered about the place, then I found out. Screw them!
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True with one exception, Mac's also manufactured parts and the story does not say what will happen with that part of the business.
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A little more poking around has revealed that a company, Mark Construction, is building a rather large warehouse for Ecklers in the Orlando area. This could be the real reason for the NY warehouse closing. They could just be consolidating the "mail order" divisions to same some cash. There are lower business taxes in Florida, no income taxes for the employees, lower property taxes and no snow/ice for months on end. There have been only a handful of hurricanes that have ever hit that area of Florida.
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I believe MACs is the sole supplier who makes or has made some of the essential Model A parts we buy from the other suppliers. The loss will be felt when the catalogs say no longer available for these parts. Also MACs sells everything on EBay in addition to mail order. eBay feed back shows slow shipping poor customer service. Maybe they are understaffed
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When they were bought out, Bill (from Dick Spadaro's) joked with them that he hoped they would like Florida !! Reason they waited for 4 years is that MAC'S had gotten a LOT of money from NYS to stay in NYS (talk about free government cheese) but had to promise to stay for X number of years. Eckler's NEVER intended to stay here, just waited out the sunset clause of the millions of free $$ given to MAC'S.
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In NY, there is no sales tax on shipping charges. This means that any amount over the real cost is pure profit.
In Florida, sales tax is charged on shipping so there is no advantage to gouging the customer.
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06-11-2016, 04:56 PM | #63 |
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Quote from local newspaper. Hope they pay NYS millions in back taxes.
MAC’s Antique Auto Parts struck two, 15-year Payment In Lieu of Taxes agreements with the Niagara County Industrial Development Agency, in 2007 when the business moved from Lincoln Avenue in the city of Lockport to 6150 Donner Road, and in 2011, when the business underwent a 35,000-square-foot expansion. Layoff of MAC’s warehouse employees would trigger NCIDA review of the agreements, for a determination whether benefits including a property tax break should be canceled, according to Susan Langdon, director of projects and finance. |
06-11-2016, 06:26 PM | #64 |
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thanks Oldtin-interesting info.
well somebody had to pay for their expansion and all you guys complain about their shipping costs! I'll tell you...................................... chuckle! |
06-11-2016, 06:52 PM | #65 |
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[Betcha that would be a smart move on Macs and Florida's part if Florida did pay for the new building especially if they attract 75 permanent jobs! Wayne
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06-12-2016, 11:13 AM | #66 |
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If you don't want to deal with Mac's, don't, but for heaven's sake, stop the whining. |
06-12-2016, 11:28 AM | #67 |
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I don't think stating ones experiences, bad or good, with Mac's is whining. I, for one, like to know other peoples experiences with model A parts suppliers, again good or not so good. I have had experiences with Mac's I wasn't happy with and it is nice to know I was not alone. That is why I won't buy from them anymore. Besides, it appears they are just moving to Florida, so anyone that likes them can still buy from them. There are other good vendors, Bratton's, Bert's, A&L to name a few.
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06-17-2016, 01:56 PM | #69 |
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MAC’s Auto Parts is not leaving Lockport, NY.
While we are consolidating some warehouse, inventory and call center functions in order to improve our customer’s shopping experience with centralized expertise and faster and more complete consolidated shipping, our Lockport showroom is actually expanding! We are expanding our Lockport Showroom assortment and ALL of the parts will have FREE In-Store pickup. Plan your trip; Call us to have your parts ready when you arrive; Place your order and pick it up at our store when you’re ready. If you pick-up your order at the MAC’s store, shipping is on us. Hope to see you soon. |
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06-17-2016, 02:17 PM | #71 |
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If you pick-up your order at the MAC’s store, shipping is on us.
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06-17-2016, 02:25 PM | #72 | |
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Just to take things out of context:
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[QUOTE=CarlG;1310228]Just to take things out of context:
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06-17-2016, 04:22 PM | #74 |
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06-17-2016, 07:27 PM | #75 |
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OK Tom,
I didnt get that-seemed a bit senseless to me........ Of course I make no sense anyway! |
06-17-2016, 07:38 PM | #76 |
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There will be state sales tax I'm sure, but if they have a showroom it would seem like they'd at least stock the faster selling parts in NY.
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06-17-2016, 10:29 PM | #78 |
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This is MAC's Antique Auto Parts at Lockport, New York. It is a very nice well laid out complex. These pictures are of the Show Room. It is just a shame that there are so many negative comments about them, as it is places like this that help keep our old Fords on the road. It needs someone with experience to help sort out their problems. Shipping seems to be the biggest issue, and that todays seems to be a worldwide problem that is not going to get any better. |
06-18-2016, 12:33 AM | #79 |
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FWIW:
Whether it is a Fried Chicken Restaurant, a large Supermarket, or a large Military Combat Unit, one (1) experienced, strong leader placed in position at the top, who has been handed free reins, and who has the knack to read subordinate attitudes, can make any poor or mediocre organization rotate 180 degrees in an extremely short period of time. Last edited by H. L. Chauvin; 06-18-2016 at 12:35 AM. Reason: typo |
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