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Beater · 12-08-2015, 08:30 PM

not sure what I saved today, but I saved it think it was/ is a 30 fordor remains. im going to use the cowel for a speedster project if I can find enough window parts. if any body can shed any light on what it is or was, greatly appreciated to help me look for the right stuff im pretty new to the A game, so all info helps

Charlie Stephens · 12-08-2015, 08:41 PM

My guess is that it started life as a 1930 4 door phaeton. The open car windshield posts are from a roadster, a roadster pickup or phaeton. The doors you need will be from these three body styles. The shape behind the door looks like a phaeton and the 2 piece splash apron says 1930. They reproduce the rear body panel for the roadster pickup in case you decide to go that way. I am not sure how much work it would be to make it fit a phaeton subframe.

Charlie Stephens

Beater · 12-08-2015, 08:46 PM

the phaeton and roadster use the same window posts? it definatly was a 4 door open car, as the cowl and rear door posts are one

bobusnick104 · 12-08-2015, 08:48 PM

I'd be looking at the '56 cab in the background. Just my opinion.

mhsprecher · 12-08-2015, 08:53 PM

It is kinda neat. It would be a lot of work, but bringing it back to its unrestored, modified configuration would make for a cool Beverly Hillbillies kind of car. It would attract more attention than any other car on a tour or meet.

Will Ziegler in LI NY · 12-08-2015, 08:57 PM

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Definitely a four door standard phaeton 35B. From the 2 screw lower front door hinges it is an early to mid 1930. Nice find, appears to have some original paint and pin striping.

BILL WILLIAMSON · 12-08-2015, 09:04 PM

I think the wood bed parts could be saved, they have a GREAT Patina. Wood that is warped, CAN be straightened! P.M. me, for how to do it.
Bill W.

Beater · 12-08-2015, 09:15 PM

im learning im learning I thought it was a delux with the window posts how they are? yea I was going to use the cowl for a roadster but im not so sure that's a good idea now. there must not have been many phaetons? so will the window gear for a roadster work on this?

Beater · 12-08-2015, 09:17 PM

oh yea, and Bob there are quiet a few 56 ford and merc trucks in the yard. its kinda what we started collecting 20-30 yearsago. its branched out considerably now

a couple of my faves

mhsprecher · 12-08-2015, 10:55 PM

Nice trucks.

The A has dual sidemounts!

w.michael · 12-08-2015, 11:35 PM

You have a 1930 4-door phaeton. It has been cut off behind the front seat to make a truck. This is a very desirable body style. What you have looks very sound. If you could ever locate the back half of a phaeton body, this would make a very nice car. Of course it would take a lot of skill and work and money to bring it back together.

I'm not sure I understand your question about "window gears" correctly. Roadsters and phaetons do not have roll-up windows. Both body styles use snap on side curtains. Forgive me if I'm misreading your question.

W. Michael

Beater · 12-09-2015, 02:41 AM

um sorry I mean the front window gear or parts sorry.ill be looking for some stations and a window frame if anyone has any. prefer standard ones that are not chrome or nickel.

it has dual sidemounts, which what I can see did not come with these car. the holes in the splash aprons definatly look factory

dumb person · 12-09-2015, 02:49 AM

Whatever it is it's a beauty.

C26Pinelake · 12-09-2015, 08:52 AM

Can you share with us the price paid please? Wayne

700rpm · 12-09-2015, 12:45 PM

That "pile" is very savable. No apparent rustout in the lower sections, and a good cowl. I would encourage you to do a LOT of research on that body style before you do anything else. Become fully informed about wood, sheet metal, doors, lights, etc. You have the beginnings of a fine Model A there.

Also, don't throw anything away! You will not know what you need until you need it and realize you tossed it too soon.

Indiana A. Lover · 12-09-2015, 07:11 PM

Beater You have a very nice Speedster cowl and running gear! As others have said do not throw any thing away. Lay it all out and take pictures of every thing. Don

Hoogah · 12-09-2015, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 700rpm

...Also, don't throw anything away! ....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indiana A. Lover

...As others have said do not throw any thing away. ....

Can someone please tell my wife this??!!

Beater · 12-09-2015, 10:41 PM

well I never throw anything away, have a few acres of vehicals and "stuff" actually. yes I think it will make a fine speedster cowl. ive been doing lots of research and reading and learning and yes the 35B is a very nice car. but as has been said here, if you could ever find the rear parts. if any of you have any stantions delux or standard and a window frame im looking. doesn't have to be perfect for what im doing

updraught · 12-10-2015, 10:15 PM

"... have a few acres of vehicals and "stuff" actually"

I'd start to throw some stuff away ...

I doubt this will be the last bag of bones you drag home. For a speedster you just need a decent pile of bits to work from. You might find it easier to get the speedster proportions right with a 28-29 cowl as it is a bit smaller.

Open cars were more popular in warmer countries so you may find imported 35B parts while you build a speedster.
Open cars were popular here, however our 1930-1 open cars had a wood frame with just a metal skin (and you don't want that).

This is the best "Improved A" speedster that I have seen:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/zappadong/3901093695

Beater · 12-12-2015, 01:27 PM

not a bad looking speedster. I like the big oversize tires. not going to have fenders on mine

Beater · 03-02-2016, 07:46 PM

well, its not that warm out but ive been working on that pile. going to build myself a speedster. been gatherin parts from all over all winter. had to set cowl on today. I now relize how luck I am in that this cowl needs basically no work. its far from perfect but for what im going to do its just right. purchased a running chassis last fall from a rodder. things line up prity good. im still in search of the side panels if anyone close to me has a spare set don't have to be perfect oh yes and a set of plain painted stantions aswell. can get the repop stainless ones but id really like a set of originals that are painted

flatford39 · 03-03-2016, 10:24 AM

Both the standard and deluxe windshield stanchions are stainless on that car. I have never seen plain ones. The standards are taller than the deluxe.

Beater · 03-03-2016, 11:23 AM

up here where im at there were plain painted ones on Canadian only roadster pickups

flatford39 · 03-03-2016, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Beater

up here where im at there were plain painted ones on Canadian only roadster pickups

I think you are confusing the 28 29 stanchions with the 30 31. The 28 29 units will not work on that cowl.

Beater · 03-03-2016, 11:05 PM

no actually I am not. in Canada for 30-31 CANADAIN ONLY the roadster pickups used painted ones that were plain steel. chances of finding a set are nil I know

updraught · 03-04-2016, 01:39 AM

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Wire a tin can over the end of that exhaust and you'll be good to go for a run in stealth mode.

eagle · 03-04-2016, 08:57 AM

Very Very Cool!!! You will get twice the interested lookers at any show compared to the trailer queen points car.

QGolden · 03-04-2016, 11:14 AM

Join the Speedster Social Group here at the Barn, we could use the friends :-) and are all Speedsters builders/owners.

http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/group.php?groupid=31

1Tudoor · 03-04-2016, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QGolden

Join the Speedster Social Group here at the Barn, we could use the friends :-) and are all Speedsters builders/owners.

http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/group.php?groupid=31

Thks for the link !
The red giant 6 cyl speedster build in HAMB is absolutely nuts ! Each cyl has its own head

& the final showpiece is just crazy cool !
For those who hesitate getting into a project , this should ease the pain .

Beater · 03-04-2016, 09:01 PM

hey thanks never found you guys before

Beater · 03-24-2016, 02:58 PM

more progress. mounted up the original shocks and links, got a set of decent hood sides, mounted up the lights, next is brake rods then im ready to start building the boat tail

Beater · 05-29-2016, 06:41 PM

hope this works moveing right along first fire up carb maybe needs a bit of attenti

on yet but prity happy with it for the first go

Cornishman · 05-30-2016, 03:01 AM

Would anyone understand me if I said that it reminded me of 'Trigger's Broom'? A British comedy classic.
https://youtu.be/BUl6PooveJE

SuperDave · 05-30-2016, 06:42 AM

Seen on another forum.. "If it casts a shadow. Don't throw it away."
It may not be useable, but someone may just want to know what it looks like!

blgitn · 05-30-2016, 07:00 AM

Nice project!
My bet is it started life as a Standard Phaeton; no cowl lights.
Can we get pictures of the front shock mounts, both upper and lower? They look interesting. Thanks!

R / Roger.

Beater · 05-30-2016, 10:37 AM

it was a 30 standard phaton yes. and sorry I guess I need to post an updated pic those shocks and mounts are gone they were extreamly rough home made things. welded right to the axle. ive cut and ground them off and put on some stock units

burner31 · 05-30-2016, 07:30 PM

I like the farmer air cleaner on it

Beater · 05-31-2016, 10:40 AM

hahaha me to

updraught · 08-15-2016, 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beater

no actually I am not. in Canada for 30-31 CANADAIN ONLY the roadster pickups used painted ones that were plain steel. chances of finding a set are nil I know

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-192...BXi~Li&vxp=mtr

Bingo.

jeep44 · 08-15-2016, 08:39 PM

"Plow King"... I must be the only one here that remembers that old episode of "The Simpsons"

12-08-2015, 08:30 PM	#1
Beater Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Southern Alberta Posts: 582	saved a pile not sure what I saved today, but I saved it think it was/ is a 30 fordor remains. im going to use the cowel for a speedster project if I can find enough window parts. if any body can shed any light on what it is or was, greatly appreciated to help me look for the right stuff im pretty new to the A game, so all info helps

12-08-2015, 08:41 PM	#2
Charlie Stephens Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southern California Posts: 7,032	Re: saved a pile My guess is that it started life as a 1930 4 door phaeton. The open car windshield posts are from a roadster, a roadster pickup or phaeton. The doors you need will be from these three body styles. The shape behind the door looks like a phaeton and the 2 piece splash apron says 1930. They reproduce the rear body panel for the roadster pickup in case you decide to go that way. I am not sure how much work it would be to make it fit a phaeton subframe. Charlie Stephens Last edited by Charlie Stephens; 12-08-2015 at 08:46 PM.

12-08-2015, 08:46 PM	#3
Beater Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Southern Alberta Posts: 582	Re: saved a pile the phaeton and roadster use the same window posts? it definatly was a 4 door open car, as the cowl and rear door posts are one

12-08-2015, 08:48 PM	#4
bobusnick104 Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: SW PA Posts: 87	Re: saved a pile I'd be looking at the '56 cab in the background. Just my opinion. __________________ It's only money, we'll make more tomorrow.

12-08-2015, 08:53 PM	#5
mhsprecher Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Takoma Park, MD Posts: 2,817	Re: saved a pile It is kinda neat. It would be a lot of work, but bringing it back to its unrestored, modified configuration would make for a cool Beverly Hillbillies kind of car. It would attract more attention than any other car on a tour or meet.

12-08-2015, 08:57 PM	#6
Will Ziegler in LI NY Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: East Northport, NY Posts: 178	Re: saved a pile Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Definitely a four door standard phaeton 35B. From the 2 screw lower front door hinges it is an early to mid 1930. Nice find, appears to have some original paint and pin striping.

12-08-2015, 09:04 PM	#7
BILL WILLIAMSON Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: FRESNO, CA Posts: 12,560	Re: saved a pile I think the wood bed parts could be saved, they have a GREAT Patina. Wood that is warped, CAN be straightened! P.M. me, for how to do it. Bill W. __________________ "THE ASSISTANT GURU OF STUFF"

12-08-2015, 09:15 PM	#8
Beater Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Southern Alberta Posts: 582	Re: saved a pile im learning im learning I thought it was a delux with the window posts how they are? yea I was going to use the cowl for a roadster but im not so sure that's a good idea now. there must not have been many phaetons? so will the window gear for a roadster work on this?

12-08-2015, 09:17 PM	#9
Beater Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Southern Alberta Posts: 582	Re: saved a pile oh yea, and Bob there are quiet a few 56 ford and merc trucks in the yard. its kinda what we started collecting 20-30 yearsago. its branched out considerably now a couple of my faves Last edited by Beater; 12-08-2015 at 09:24 PM.

12-08-2015, 10:55 PM	#10
mhsprecher Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Takoma Park, MD Posts: 2,817	Re: saved a pile Nice trucks. The A has dual sidemounts!

12-08-2015, 11:35 PM	#11
w.michael Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: North Carolina Posts: 418	Re: saved a pile You have a 1930 4-door phaeton. It has been cut off behind the front seat to make a truck. This is a very desirable body style. What you have looks very sound. If you could ever locate the back half of a phaeton body, this would make a very nice car. Of course it would take a lot of skill and work and money to bring it back together. I'm not sure I understand your question about "window gears" correctly. Roadsters and phaetons do not have roll-up windows. Both body styles use snap on side curtains. Forgive me if I'm misreading your question. W. Michael

12-09-2015, 02:41 AM	#12
Beater Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Southern Alberta Posts: 582	Re: saved a pile um sorry I mean the front window gear or parts sorry.ill be looking for some stations and a window frame if anyone has any. prefer standard ones that are not chrome or nickel. it has dual sidemounts, which what I can see did not come with these car. the holes in the splash aprons definatly look factory Last edited by Beater; 12-09-2015 at 02:51 AM.

12-09-2015, 02:49 AM	#13
dumb person Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: South pacific island Posts: 1,724	Re: saved a pile Whatever it is it's a beauty. __________________ <Link> This is how we roll<Link> "I'm Convinced that no one really reads posts anymore; they just fabricate what they think the post says then ramble on about red herrings."--Bob Outcasts rules of old cars #1 Fun is imperative, mainstream is overrated #2 If they think it is impossible, prove them wrong #3 If the science says it impossible you are not being creative enough. #4 No shame in recreating something you never had #5 If it were not for the law & physics you would be unstoppable

12-09-2015, 08:52 AM	#14
C26Pinelake BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Michigan / Ontario border, Sarnia, Ontario. 50 miles from Detroit and 150 from Toronto. Posts: 5,800	Re: saved a pile Can you share with us the price paid please? Wayne

12-09-2015, 12:45 PM	#15
700rpm Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 5,906	Re: saved a pile That "pile" is very savable. No apparent rustout in the lower sections, and a good cowl. I would encourage you to do a LOT of research on that body style before you do anything else. Become fully informed about wood, sheet metal, doors, lights, etc. You have the beginnings of a fine Model A there. Also, don't throw anything away! You will not know what you need until you need it and realize you tossed it too soon. __________________ Ray Horton, Portland, OR As you go through life, keep your eye on the donut, not the hole.

12-09-2015, 07:11 PM	#16
Indiana A. Lover Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Brook, Indiana Posts: 214	Re: saved a pile Beater You have a very nice Speedster cowl and running gear! As others have said do not throw any thing away. Lay it all out and take pictures of every thing. Don

12-09-2015, 10:41 PM	#18
Beater Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Southern Alberta Posts: 582	Re: saved a pile well I never throw anything away, have a few acres of vehicals and "stuff" actually. yes I think it will make a fine speedster cowl. ive been doing lots of research and reading and learning and yes the 35B is a very nice car. but as has been said here, if you could ever find the rear parts. if any of you have any stantions delux or standard and a window frame im looking. doesn't have to be perfect for what im doing Last edited by Beater; 12-10-2015 at 03:40 AM.

12-10-2015, 10:15 PM	#19
updraught Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Australia Posts: 1,970	Re: saved a pile "... have a few acres of vehicals and "stuff" actually" I'd start to throw some stuff away ... I doubt this will be the last bag of bones you drag home. For a speedster you just need a decent pile of bits to work from. You might find it easier to get the speedster proportions right with a 28-29 cowl as it is a bit smaller. Open cars were more popular in warmer countries so you may find imported 35B parts while you build a speedster. Open cars were popular here, however our 1930-1 open cars had a wood frame with just a metal skin (and you don't want that). This is the best "Improved A" speedster that I have seen: https://www.flickr.com/photos/zappadong/3901093695

12-12-2015, 01:27 PM	#20
Beater Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Southern Alberta Posts: 582	Re: saved a pile not a bad looking speedster. I like the big oversize tires. not going to have fenders on mine

03-02-2016, 07:46 PM	#21
Beater Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Southern Alberta Posts: 582	Re: saved a pile well, its not that warm out but ive been working on that pile. going to build myself a speedster. been gatherin parts from all over all winter. had to set cowl on today. I now relize how luck I am in that this cowl needs basically no work. its far from perfect but for what im going to do its just right. purchased a running chassis last fall from a rodder. things line up prity good. im still in search of the side panels if anyone close to me has a spare set don't have to be perfect oh yes and a set of plain painted stantions aswell. can get the repop stainless ones but id really like a set of originals that are painted

03-03-2016, 10:24 AM	#22
flatford39 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: NE Illinois Posts: 499	Re: saved a pile Both the standard and deluxe windshield stanchions are stainless on that car. I have never seen plain ones. The standards are taller than the deluxe.

03-03-2016, 11:23 AM	#23
Beater Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Southern Alberta Posts: 582	Re: saved a pile up here where im at there were plain painted ones on Canadian only roadster pickups

03-03-2016, 11:05 PM	#25
Beater Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Southern Alberta Posts: 582	Re: saved a pile no actually I am not. in Canada for 30-31 CANADAIN ONLY the roadster pickups used painted ones that were plain steel. chances of finding a set are nil I know

03-04-2016, 01:39 AM	#26
updraught Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Australia Posts: 1,970	Re: saved a pile Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Wire a tin can over the end of that exhaust and you'll be good to go for a run in stealth mode.

03-04-2016, 08:57 AM	#27
eagle Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Eagle Bend, MN Posts: 2,025	Re: saved a pile Very Very Cool!!! You will get twice the interested lookers at any show compared to the trailer queen points car. __________________ "There are some that can destroy an anvil with a teaspoon and shouldn't be allowed to touch anything resembling a tool."

03-04-2016, 11:14 AM	#28
QGolden Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Alton, NH Posts: 1,231	Re: saved a pile Join the Speedster Social Group here at the Barn, we could use the friends :-) and are all Speedsters builders/owners. http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/group.php?groupid=31 __________________ It's not what people think they know that will hurt them, it is what they think they know that aint so! -Mark Twain. It is the very things that we think we know, that keep us from learning what we should know.- Unknown

03-04-2016, 09:01 PM	#30
Beater Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Southern Alberta Posts: 582	Re: saved a pile hey thanks never found you guys before

03-24-2016, 02:58 PM	#31
Beater Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Southern Alberta Posts: 582	Re: saved a pile more progress. mounted up the original shocks and links, got a set of decent hood sides, mounted up the lights, next is brake rods then im ready to start building the boat tail

05-29-2016, 06:41 PM	#32
Beater Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Southern Alberta Posts: 582	Re: saved a pile hope this works moveing right along first fire up carb maybe needs a bit of attention yet but prity happy with it for the first go

05-30-2016, 03:01 AM	#33
Cornishman Senior Member Join Date: May 2016 Location: Le Ravary, France Posts: 241	Re: saved a pile Would anyone understand me if I said that it reminded me of 'Trigger's Broom'? A British comedy classic. https://youtu.be/BUl6PooveJE

05-30-2016, 06:42 AM	#34
SuperDave Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Melbourne Fl Posts: 166	Re: saved a pile Seen on another forum.. "If it casts a shadow. Don't throw it away." It may not be useable, but someone may just want to know what it looks like!

05-30-2016, 07:00 AM	#35
blgitn Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: West Point, VA 23181 Posts: 373	Re: saved a pile Nice project! My bet is it started life as a Standard Phaeton; no cowl lights. Can we get pictures of the front shock mounts, both upper and lower? They look interesting. Thanks! R / Roger.

05-30-2016, 10:37 AM	#36
Beater Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Southern Alberta Posts: 582	Re: saved a pile it was a 30 standard phaton yes. and sorry I guess I need to post an updated pic those shocks and mounts are gone they were extreamly rough home made things. welded right to the axle. ive cut and ground them off and put on some stock units

05-30-2016, 07:30 PM	#37
burner31 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Shawnee, Ok Posts: 3,471	Re: saved a pile I like the farmer air cleaner on it __________________ Keith Shawnee OK '31 SW 160-B

05-31-2016, 10:40 AM	#38
Beater Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Southern Alberta Posts: 582	Re: saved a pile hahaha me to