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FrankWest · 01-06-2015, 02:53 PM

My crank gear has a sort of jacket around it only allowing to view the teeth....
I will try to take a photo...
Is the mark sometimes right on the tooth?

CarlG · 01-06-2015, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by FrankWest

Help, Looking for the timing mark on the crank gear....
I found the key, wedge, but not the timing mark?
Maybe my eyes are not so good.....
Cleaned off any grease or oil.

Look for the little dimple on the tooth (in the picture -- top center). It's just to the right of the keyway.
(Photo from Ford Garage, thanks Vince)

George Miller · 01-06-2015, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by FrankWest

My crank gear has a sort of jacket around it only allowing to view the teeth....
I will try to take a photo...
Is the mark sometimes right on the tooth?

That is the oil slinger. Take a good light and look to the right of the key like Toms picture shows. It is hard to see but it will be there.

FrankWest · 01-06-2015, 03:22 PM

Here are two blurry photos..I will try to get a better photyo

Tom Wesenberg · 01-06-2015, 03:25 PM

I wonder if by "jacket", he means the shaft part of a two piece crankshaft pulley? Either way, you should be able to figure out the tooth just to the right of the keyway is the timing tooth. Remember that the cam gear will turn some as it's installed, so be sure to start it in the right groove.

Yep, just as I suspected, it's the two piece pulley. That oil slinger looks like it's on backwards, but I need a clearer picture.

Also, is that the lighting, or is the crank gear rusty? You sure don't want to start out with rust.

FrankWest · 01-06-2015, 04:00 PM

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FrankWest · 01-06-2015, 04:12 PM

Here is a clearer photo....

Tom Wesenberg · 01-06-2015, 04:31 PM

OK, the slinger is correct. Did you do some cleaning up front, or why is it so free of oil?

FrankWest · 01-06-2015, 04:44 PM

I have been cleaning it up to be able to see thge timing mark, I though I may have been hidden under a layer of oil. Brushed and sprayed with parts cleaner.

Bob C · 01-06-2015, 05:00 PM

You need to turn the engine so the key is about at the 11 o'clock position.

Bob

FrankWest · 01-06-2015, 05:52 PM

at 11 oc

FrankWest · 01-06-2015, 05:55 PM

This weekend my son will be over. He has a better camera and maybe his better eyesight will spot the timing mark.

Bill's Auto Works · 01-06-2015, 06:18 PM

Maybe you could remove the pulley if it can be done easily, that way you could look straight at it instead of down onto it.

FrankWest · 01-06-2015, 07:13 PM

what is that oil slinger? I have never seen that in any of the parts breakdown?
Is the timing mark always on the tooth on the next tooth right of the keyway?

FrankWest · 01-06-2015, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill's Auto Works

Maybe you could remove the pulley if it can be done easily, that way you could look straight at it instead of down onto it.

Hi, Bill.
I have been using a dental mirror to see the teeth. My sons eyes arte sharper than mine perhaps he will see the mark unless it is under the slinger?
Can this slinger be removed easily?

FrankWest · 01-06-2015, 07:24 PM

Is this slinger just pressed on? Can it be pried off with a screwdriver? Then pressed back on? That would give me a chance to see the timing mark hidden behind it.

http://www.macsautoparts.com/ford_mo...inger-usa.html

CarlG · 01-06-2015, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by FrankWest

...Is the timing mark always on the tooth on the next tooth right of the keyway?

Take a closer look at the pictures in post # 21 & 23. They show where the mark is very clearly.

Bill's Auto Works · 01-06-2015, 07:43 PM

Like Carl said, if you can see the mark in #23 (on the tooth just to the right of the keyway) The oil slinger should not be in the way of seeing the same mark on your gear. As to what the oil slinger is, it "slings" oil up to the cam gear as the crank spins. The slinger is not held on by anything, just stick a screwdriver behind it & gently pry it off.
Sorry, had a brain fart about the slinger coming off! I pictured the crank out of the motor

George Miller · 01-06-2015, 08:15 PM

It is the tooth on the right side of the key like Tom said. Take some bright paint, any color that will show up good. With a small brush paint that tooth. Then you can see it much better when you put the cam gear on.

Tom Wesenberg · 01-06-2015, 08:24 PM

Exactly straight up from the key is a valley, and the next tooth to the right of this valley is always the timing tooth. It's easy to see without moving the oil slinger. The slinger is held tight to the gear by the crankshaft pulley.

01-06-2015, 02:53 PM	#21
FrankWest Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 3,005	Re: installing new timing gear My crank gear has a sort of jacket around it only allowing to view the teeth.... I will try to take a photo... Is the mark sometimes right on the tooth?

01-06-2015, 03:25 PM	#25
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: installing new timing gear I wonder if by "jacket", he means the shaft part of a two piece crankshaft pulley? Either way, you should be able to figure out the tooth just to the right of the keyway is the timing tooth. Remember that the cam gear will turn some as it's installed, so be sure to start it in the right groove. Yep, just as I suspected, it's the two piece pulley. That oil slinger looks like it's on backwards, but I need a clearer picture. Also, is that the lighting, or is the crank gear rusty? You sure don't want to start out with rust.

01-06-2015, 04:00 PM	#26
FrankWest Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 3,005	Re: installing new timing gear Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) lighting, not rusty

01-06-2015, 04:31 PM	#28
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: installing new timing gear OK, the slinger is correct. Did you do some cleaning up front, or why is it so free of oil?

01-06-2015, 04:44 PM	#29
FrankWest Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 3,005	Re: installing new timing gear I have been cleaning it up to be able to see thge timing mark, I though I may have been hidden under a layer of oil. Brushed and sprayed with parts cleaner.

01-06-2015, 05:00 PM	#30
Bob C Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: So Cal Posts: 8,754	Re: installing new timing gear You need to turn the engine so the key is about at the 11 o'clock position. Bob

01-06-2015, 05:55 PM	#32
FrankWest Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 3,005	Re: installing new timing gear This weekend my son will be over. He has a better camera and maybe his better eyesight will spot the timing mark.

01-06-2015, 06:18 PM	#33
Bill's Auto Works Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Northern Ohio Posts: 595	Re: installing new timing gear Maybe you could remove the pulley if it can be done easily, that way you could look straight at it instead of down onto it. __________________ Your QUALITY Ford Barn Transporter- Open or Enclosed. Bill's Auto Works Est. 1983 & Still Going Strong! 1955 Chevy Altered W.B. Gasser 1955 Nash Amb. Cust. Lemans 1957 Pontiac Chieftain 2 DR HT 1964 Pontiac Grand Prix 2 DR HT 1966 Pontiac Catalina Conv 1966 AMC Ambassador DPL 2 DR HT 1966 AMC Ambassador Cust 2DR HT 1967 AMC Marlin 1967 Toronado 1973 Chevy Nova Full Chassis Car 1992 Jag XJS Conv 1992 Jag XJS 2 DR Coupe 2007 Cadillac XLR-V Supercharged Roadster

01-06-2015, 07:13 PM	#34
FrankWest Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 3,005	Re: installing new timing gear what is that oil slinger? I have never seen that in any of the parts breakdown? Is the timing mark always on the tooth on the next tooth right of the keyway?

01-06-2015, 07:24 PM	#36
FrankWest Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 3,005	Re: installing new timing gear Is this slinger just pressed on? Can it be pried off with a screwdriver? Then pressed back on? That would give me a chance to see the timing mark hidden behind it. http://www.macsautoparts.com/ford_mo...inger-usa.html

01-06-2015, 07:43 PM	#38
Bill's Auto Works Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Northern Ohio Posts: 595	Re: installing new timing gear Like Carl said, if you can see the mark in #23 (on the tooth just to the right of the keyway) The oil slinger should not be in the way of seeing the same mark on your gear. As to what the oil slinger is, it "slings" oil up to the cam gear as the crank spins. The slinger is not held on by anything, just stick a screwdriver behind it & gently pry it off. Sorry, had a brain fart about the slinger coming off! I pictured the crank out of the motor __________________ Your QUALITY Ford Barn Transporter- Open or Enclosed. Bill's Auto Works Est. 1983 & Still Going Strong! 1955 Chevy Altered W.B. Gasser 1955 Nash Amb. Cust. Lemans 1957 Pontiac Chieftain 2 DR HT 1964 Pontiac Grand Prix 2 DR HT 1966 Pontiac Catalina Conv 1966 AMC Ambassador DPL 2 DR HT 1966 AMC Ambassador Cust 2DR HT 1967 AMC Marlin 1967 Toronado 1973 Chevy Nova Full Chassis Car 1992 Jag XJS Conv 1992 Jag XJS 2 DR Coupe 2007 Cadillac XLR-V Supercharged Roadster Last edited by Bill's Auto Works; 01-06-2015 at 08:40 PM.

01-06-2015, 08:15 PM	#39
George Miller Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: NC Posts: 2,975	Re: installing new timing gear It is the tooth on the right side of the key like Tom said. Take some bright paint, any color that will show up good. With a small brush paint that tooth. Then you can see it much better when you put the cam gear on.

01-06-2015, 08:24 PM	#40
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: installing new timing gear Exactly straight up from the key is a valley, and the next tooth to the right of this valley is always the timing tooth. It's easy to see without moving the oil slinger. The slinger is held tight to the gear by the crankshaft pulley.