E code Air cleaner housing

[Alaska Jim]

Do any of you guys know if there is a reproduction of this Air Cleaner in stamped steel? I have found a place that makes them in cast Aluminum, but they are pretty heavy, and last time I checked the wanted $750 for one. If none is being reproduced, do they come up for sale very often, or are they almost non-existent? also if you have seen any for sale what price range would one expect to pay for one? any good site's to check to see if one comes up for sale? I know that these are a lot of questions, but, living in Alaska we do not get to see some of the harder to find items, and even more rare is the chance to buy something like this. Thanks for any information anyone can provide, I appreciate it.------Jim

[miker98038]

Jim,
I sent a PM on this.

[scicala]

I know the large round ones are reproduced, but really not sure about the one pictured. Also, I think it only works with the factory manifold carb spacing.

Sal

[Milt/Las Vegas]

The type you have was only used on the 56 and early 57 t-birds,and I have never seen it reproduced.The cars were different yet.Where did you see a cast aluminum one.

[scicala]

I would try EBAY, since I have seen them on there. I think a decent on will be more than you want to spend. Can also try Amos Minter or Gil Baumgartner for info. They are both nationally known T-Bird restorers. I have emailed both before, and both replied quickly. Just search the names and should be able to contact them from their websites.

Sal

[Alaska Jim]

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Milt/Las Vegas, I have a friend in Texas that has an aluminum reproduction of the oval air cleaner, I have seen it and held it in person. it seems very nice . It was made by a business called " Jewels Body shop inc." they are located in Brillion, WI. 920-450-5555. I called and talked to him last year, he only had one left at that time, and it was priced at $750.00 pretty high, and I really want a stamped steel on, as I expect they are lighter, and I would have it chrome plated.. I have a 2x4 set-up on an Edelbrock manifold with 2 of the 4000 series teapot carbs. I think the center to center of the air cleaner studs are the same as a factory manifold. Not sure of this, but my brother has a factory 2x4 manifold , so I can check that one against mine. I expect these to be quite expensive, so they may be more than I am willing to pay, just depends on my mood and finances' on any given day.

[Alaska Jim]

Sal, the eng. is mostly finished, but not in the coupe yet. I would like to run it on the dyno where my brother works before the eng. is changed out. just have a few small thing on the eng. to sort out. all external stuff. I already knew about Amos Minter, but not about Gil Baumgartner. miker98038 also gave me a lead to check out. I may try ckecking these leads out next week. the time difference between here and most people, and business are 3-4 hours behind me. west coast though is only 1 hr. behind. You may be right about price, it may depend on my mood and my financial position when I get a quote on one. some days I seem to be more inclined to spend my money than others.----jim

[miker98038]

Jim, if all else fails, you can look that these. There was some discussion about these, and with a taller filter they fit the teapots IIRC. Unfortunately, I don’t remember where the discussion was, could have been the HAMB or Yblocksforever.

https://www.spotlitekustomaccessorie..._Cleaners.html

[Oldmics]

Jim

The Edelbrocks carb spacing differs from the original Ford spacing.

Check the original Ford unit you have access too against your manifolds measurements before going on the hunt.

Oldmics

P.S. I think thats a picture of my car with the oval air filter

[fordrodsteven]

What about trying one of the speed shop web sites? (Summit, Speedway, Jegs)

[Alaska Jim]

Miker9803, I was in the discussion about those air cleaners and I bought a set. they look ok, but I really wanted one of those oval factory air cleaners if I could bring myself to cough up the asking price

[Alaska Jim]

Oldmics, I got that picture off the net, I did not know whose car it is. I saved it because I think it is a real looker. I will check the spacing on the factory manifold before I go forward on the hunt. I don't know if you remember, but I bought a set of 312 rods from you a year or 2 ago. thanks for the info.-----Jim

[Alaska Jim]

fordrodsteven, I checked those places, did not see any thing that struck my fancy that would work. I am/was trying to find something different from everybody else.

[rowens55]

Gotta tell ya alaskajim, I was looking for one of those for my e-code set up. The only one I ever saw on the net needed "full restoration" and was still near $600. I wish you well in your hunt. They are like hens teeth. I gave it up and got a couple 6 3/8" dial cleaners from speed way.

[Alaska Jim]

rowens55, I bought a set of the air cleaners from spotlite custom accessories . click on the link in Miker98038's post to see them they are the "D" shaped ones... I expect it to be a long chase for one of those air cleaners. I have been looking for one off and on for the last 2 years.

[KULTULZ]

Correct, , there two different intakes so you would have to know the center-line measurement before you started. Post your intake Casting I.D. No.

Now I consider the below classy and quality. They were popular during the COBRA period.

STELLING AND STELLING

[dmsfrr]

Originally Posted by Milt/Las Vegas

The type you have was only used on the 56 and early 57 t-birds,and I have never seen it reproduced. ....

Alaska Jim...
On a facebook Thunderbird page I remember an E-code owner asking for help locating replacement filter elements. Not sure what he ended up using, apparently they are almost as difficult to find as the housing. Just something else to consider....
Dennis


<edit>
Filter elements -
I found the original fb post and copied 3 (unverified) comments below from other folks.

"The Ford specs for these elements are: 5 9/16" ID, 7 1/16" OD, 2 1/8" High with part number: B7A-9601-F ... but no one seems to have anymore. An alternate might be FRAM's 42148 measuring 5 1/16" ID, 6 7/8" OD, 2.150 High. Not the exact size, but possibly close enough to work. At $7 from rockauto I'd give it a try."

http://www.autopartoo.com/oem/fram/ca130pl.html

"here's a link to the K&N filter Brian mentioned"
https://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?prod=e-3320
Height 1.75 in
Inside Diameter 5.25 in
Outside Diameter 6.25 in
.

[Oldmics]

A single oval air filter from a Ford Lynx also fits into the oval housing around both carbs.

Oldmics

[scicala]

Originally Posted by KULTULZ

Correct, , there two different intakes so you would have to know the center-line measurement before you started. Post your intake Casting I.D. No.

Now I consider the below classy and quality. They were popular during the COBRA period.

STELLING AND STELLING

I'm pretty sure the diameter of these is too big to fit on a 2x4 set up.

Sal

[KULTULZ]

They are 8.5 in Dia. just for reference.

PN's for E-CODE- http://57fordsforever.com/smf/index.php?topic=7059.0

Also- http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/Topic91233.aspx

[rowens55]

As I recall ( I can check tonight) those will be to large.

[KULTULZ]

Just an idea. They were used on a 427 FE COBRA.

[Oldmics]

Isnt it Hellings & Stellings for those air cleaners ?

They apparently have been a long time supplier for Ford and Merc preformance parts for quite some time.

I remember that they provided the air cleaners for the 1956 Merc M 260 setup.

Oldmics

[Milt/Las Vegas]

Originally Posted by Oldmics

Isnt it Hellings & Stellings for those air cleaners ?

They apparently have been a long time supplier for Ford and Merc preformance parts for quite some time.

I remember that they provided the air cleaners for the 1956 Merc M 260 setup.

Oldmics

I wondered if 56 Mercs offered a dual 4 setup.I've seen 56 Merc medalist 2 doors with a stick shift.I think California hiway had some.

[scicala]

'56 Mercury and Ford both offered their own "over the counter" dual quad (260 HP) NASCAR kits. Two different part numbers for the kit. Both kits shared the same one off teapot carbs. Oldmics is the resident expert with part numbers and factory documentation. Never installed on the assembly line. Was not a Police Interceptor thing.

Sal

[KULTULZ]

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Originally Posted by Milt/Las Vegas

I wondered if 56 Mercs offered a dual 4 setup.I've seen 56 Merc medalist 2 doors with a stick shift.I think California hiway had some.

Made an answering post and posted no info...

This getting old and Advancing CRS is a b!tch-

Below is the M 260 Kit Description...

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by Oldmics

Isnt it Hellings & Stellings for those air cleaners ?

Oldmics

Correct. I slurred my URL...

[KULTULZ]

Here's another two suppliers-

http://wolkdesign.net/dual4bbl.htm

http://www.obrientruckers.com/ecom/category/239/

Just suggestions.

[rowens55]

Not shire how much help this will be. My ECG9424-D intake is 7 7/16" center to center front stud to front std. that leaves 3 15/16" (if my math is correct) rad for each air cleaner. Thus my choice of 2 @ 6 3/8"..think they were (pour memory) about 12 bucks apiece. Bought 2 extra elements and stacked em. I'll try and find the pic. Personally think they look kinda kool.

[Alaska Jim]

I want to thank everyone who answered my questions and gave me advise I appreciate all of it. I will take my measurements, and if it will work I will keep looking until I find one, and then see if I can bring myself to cough up the dough, I don't expect it will be cheap. Thank you all.-----Jim

[My Old Blue]

Originally Posted by KULTULZ

Here's another two suppliers-

http://wolkdesign.net/dual4bbl.htm

http://www.obrientruckers.com/ecom/category/239/

Just suggestions.

Thank you for these links. Good options.

[Jay in Mass]

Originally Posted by Alaska Jim

Milt/Las Vegas, . I have a 2x4 set-up on an Edelbrock manifold with 2 of the 4000 series teapot carbs. I think the center to center of the air cleaner studs are the same as a factory manifold.

I had an aftermarket dual quad Y block intake and the center to center air cleaner studs were NOT the same as factory studs. Had to use a factory dual quad manifold to get the stock dual air cleaner studs to fit.

[Milt/Las Vegas]

Originally Posted by dmsfrr

Alaska Jim...
On a facebook Thunderbird page I remember an E-code owner asking for help locating replacement filter elements. Not sure what he ended up using, apparently they are almost as difficult to find as the housing. Just something else to consider....
Dennis


<edit>
Filter elements -
I found the original fb post and copied 3 (unverified) comments below from other folks.

"The Ford specs for these elements are: 5 9/16" ID, 7 1/16" OD, 2 1/8" High with part number: B7A-9601-F ... but no one seems to have anymore. An alternate might be FRAM's 42148 measuring 5 1/16" ID, 6 7/8" OD, 2.150 High. Not the exact size, but possibly close enough to work. At $7 from rockauto I'd give it a try."

http://www.autopartoo.com/oem/fram/ca130pl.html

"here's a link to the K&N filter Brian mentioned"
https://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?prod=e-3320
Height 1.75 in
Inside Diameter 5.25 in
Outside Diameter 6.25 in
.

Remember the car filters are taller than the t-bird filters.

[Alaska Jim]

Jay, and Milt. Thank you for the information I appreciate it. I have found the chart that Ted Eaton had posted over on the Y-blocks forever forum, I will try to post it for every one so if this comes up again it will be here for all.

[Alaska Jim]

Here are the carb center to center spacings for the various Y dual quad intakes.

Edelbrock FM255 – 8 ¾”
Edelbrock 257 – 7 1/8”
Edmunds DM-427 – 8 9/16”
Mercury ECZ-9424-C – 8 ¾”
1956 Ford EDB-9425-C – 7 5/16”
1957 Ford ECG-9424-D – 7 5/16”
Fenton DM-427 – 8 9/16”

[Oldmics]

Jim

I have seen that measurement list posted somewhere else, perhaps it was Ted Eatons over on Y Blocks forever.

I am only going to address the measurements on the Ford manifolds.

I"m sticking by my center to center distance of the Holly teapots mounted in REVERSE order as applicable for T Birds as 7 13/32.

Orienting the carbs in a normal fashion in the way the "E" Code passenger cars used them brings a different measurement of 7 7/16 (or 7 14/32)

The hold down wing nut holes in the "E" air cleaners are drilled 3/8 .

So theres a fair amount of room for a 1/32 offset difference in the fit of the air cleaner regardless in the orientation of the carbs.

I know its just splitting hairs on my 1/32 difference measuements BUT it is a fair amount of difference ( 1/8 ) as opposed to the 7 5/16 spec that has been posted.

Now all that being said I"m curious to know - what did your manifold measure out to be and what air filter will you be using ?

Oldmics

[Alaska Jim]

Oldmics, the stud to stud distance on my 2x4 set-up measures 7.230 inches. that chart I posted , did come from the Y-Block forever forum, posted by Ted Eaton. I guess for now I will use the "D" shaped air cleaners that I bought from spotlite custom accessories a little over a year ago. I am not completely sure I like the look, I may powder coat them black instead of chrome. the tri-power air cleaners are black, that are on the eng. that is In my car now, as are the manifold, v/c's, and other components, the eng. itself is gold I will try and post a couple of pictures, they are not very good, but will give you an idea what is going on. I guess I will not be using the factory oval air cleaner

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by KULTULZ

i captured this photo from a web page supposedly showing an original 1956 MERC Monterey M260 install (AUCTION HOUSE LISTING).

I am pretty sure the element(s) is not correct.

I have a factory kit release correct photo stored somewhere...

EDIT-

CRS AGAIN! Where's The Beef!?!?

The air cleaner is not correct as it is the oval air cleaner (unless two separate kits were issued or this is a real M 260 Factory Build.

The ACL ELEMENTS APPEAR TOO HIGH. Possibly correct replacements couldn't be found...?

[Oldmics]

Real item as found

Oldmics

[Oldmics]

Jim

Thats a might healthy looking Y Block !

Oldmics

[Alaska Jim]

Oldmics, Thanks you. I had my brother build it for my '30 coupe. it is a bored and stroked 292 , now displacing 313 C.I. has a 312 crank with 312 rods modified for the 292 block, 292 pistons, a mild Howard cam, ( needed to be compatible with my C-4 auto ) the rockers are Harlan & Sharps from Ted Eaton. The heads are not the best, but were all we had at the time, they are C1TE , they have been milled, but don't remember how much off-hand --do not have the build sheet handy. They have much larger valves and have been ported and polished. my brother is a machinist, and we hope to run the eng. on the dyno where he works when it is finally finished. it is close just a few minor things to do, but we keep jumping from one project to another, as parts and time become available. we are hopeing for about 300 HP. I would like to swap the 272 in the coupe out for this eng. sometime this winter if my health ( long story ) and time allow it. the rods in the engine are the ones I bought from you a while back, Thanks for giving me a fair price on them, they are non-existent up here.

[Alaska Jim]

Oldmics, I envy all you guys in the lower 48 states. with all the swap meets, and craig's lists, there has to be tons of opportunities to find stuff like that 2x4 set-up and tons of other neat stuff. I think I am turning green

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by Oldmics

Real item as found

Oldmics

THOSE ARE THEY!

I have the M260 Service Letter somewhere. Those are Helling and Stelling (pretty sure) as they were popular back in the day. The ones I showed previously were 427 COBRA..

[KULTULZ]

Here they (air cleaners) are again-



Some more eye candy...

[Alaska Jim]

I sure do admire that chrome oval air cleaner. I think it is the best one of the 2x4 teapot air cleaners, although it may not be the best breathing one, it does look a little restrictive, but I may be wrong. I just know that I really like the looks of it.

[KULTULZ]

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Originally Posted by Alaska Jim

I sure do admire that chrome oval air cleaner.

I am not sure if the chrome is OEM Jim. The other should be factory color ARGENT.

I just came across them while Carousing With My Browser ...

[Alaska Jim]

I have seen pictures of them both ways, but I suspect you are right, and that they probably were argent from the factory

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by Alaska Jim

I have seen pictures of them both ways, but I suspect you are right, and that they probably were argent from the factory

I am not sure chromed (brite finish) was not available. It may well have been.

Don't let me kill your dreams...

[rowens55]

Chrome, argent, re-pop, original (out of my price range).... wouldn't really care. That air cleaner is pretty!! JMHO

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by KULTULZ

I have the M260 Service Letter somewhere.

Found it while sorting through stuff-

...for converting the STD 1956 MERCURY ENGINE to the specifications of the M 260 OPTIONAL ENGINE

...which implies (to me anyway) that the M 260 was available as a factory option (RPO).

[dmsfrr]

Originally Posted by KULTULZ

...which implies (to me anyway) that the M 260 was available as a factory option (RPO).

A link that shows the 2x4 was available in late '56 and could be ordered as a dealer installed kit.

http://www.portholeauthority.com/thu...ch/engine.html

A photo of a '56 Bird with a 2x4 setup, taken on the side of the road in the desert west of Yuma Arizona, when it started leaking transmission fluid.

[scicala]

Not 100 % sure about that one. The chart shows the '56 312 P code with 2x4 carbs as 225 HP. That's the same HP that the single 4 barrel 312 had in '56. The picture appears to have the Edelbrock 2x4 intake (as used on the M260 kit) possibly, since the vacuum for the power brakes is in the center of the intake. The '57 2x4 intake wasn't tapped for vacuum. would be interesting to know the carb numbers. Probably the same as the M260 carbs.

Sal

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by scicala

Not 100 % sure about that one. The chart shows the '56 312 P code with 2x4 carbs as 225 HP. That's the same HP that the single 4 barrel 312 had in '56.

The picture appears to have the Edelbrock 2x4 intake (as used on the M260 kit) possibly, since the vacuum for the power brakes is in the center of the intake. The '57 2x4 intake wasn't tapped for vacuum. would be interesting to know the carb numbers. Probably the same as the M260 carbs.

Sal

There is still a lot of confusion over this after all of these years. Most everything seems to be generalization(s).

The M 260 was MERCURY dedicated (Service Letter Shown In Above Post). FORD's dedicated description was POWER-PACK in 1956 for 8V.

Now to add to the confusion, MERC decided to not use the HOLLEY 4000 for the 56 model run (312 4V) and used the WCFB instead (what did they use for a distributor?). I have several shots of M 260 installs that show CARTER carbs. FORD used 4000's.

I am fairly certain MERC had their intake (M 260) cast outside (EDEL - MOON - BUDDY BAR possibly?). Usually, when a intake manifold shows an Engineering Basic Part No 9424, it indicates outside source whereas 9425 indicates a FORD casting (came to realize this on 1960 352CI-360HP alum intake).

EDIT-

The 1956 MERC M 260 intake (ECZ- 9424-C) is supposedly based on the EDEL FM-255 intake of the period.

Here is a reference to the 1956 FORD 312 8V POWER PACK kit-

https://www.ctci.org/gilsgarage/19568VOption.php

[Oldmics]

Well I"ll start with dmsfrr photo of the 56 setup.

The intent for the Ford Power Pack was as a race package for the roundy roundy lads. The hardware was designed for use in vehicles with standard shift trannys only.

There was no kickdown rod or automatic bell crank made for use on either the Mercury M 260 kit or the Ford 260 Power Pack to accomidate an automatic transmission.

Therefore that pretty blue 56 never had that kit originally.

The vaccum signal supplied for the power brakes on the
blue Bird is tapped from a pipe off of the front carburator accessing manifold vaccum.

The blue Bird has an original Ford dual quad manifold as the Edelbrock did not have the correct carb spacing to fit that oval air cleaner on top.

Onwards to Kultulz"s

We have gone around on this topic previously

I am only going to stay with factory documented items - such as the M 260 using the Holly carbs and not Carters.

A look at your posted Mercury M 260 parts list confirms the use of the two Hollys (EDB-9510-C)

There a many pictures of the M 260 manifold sporting the Carter carbs and yes I agree the racers probably did try the Carters BUT the Mercury factory documentation specs Hollys.

Merc did use BOTH Carter and Holly carbs for the 1956 - 312 engines. I have factory documentation of this fact in the form of Mercury TSB #37 dated 4/6/56

Merc also used that shitty Load "O" Matic distributor for the 56 model year.

The M 260 manifold is a clone of the Edelbrock unit.

I have a conversation with Ed Iskenderian that I recorded.
He speaks of the cams he was grinding at the time for Edelbrock who was sending the M 260 cams and manifolds parts back east to the race teams.

I find your observation on the manifold numbers interesting.

You certainly have a much broader Ford knowledge base than I do.

However Ford themselves did produce both the 1956 - 9425 manifold as well as the 1957 - 9424 manifolds.

So I"m not sure if that statement would be true generalisation.

I recently sold an original Ford 260 Power Pack kit that was N.O.S.

I acquired it mostly to obtain the knowledge on the camshaft that I cam doctored for the results.
Also discovered the way the distributor advance was preformed and limited for that race kit.

I would assume the distributor info would be pertinate to the Merc M 260 setup also.

Oldmics

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by Oldmics

The blue Bird has an original Ford dual quad manifold as the Edelbrock did not have the correct carb spacing to fit that oval air cleaner on top.

And that will explain why the M 260 kit came through with two air cleaners.

Onwards to Kultulz"s

...uh-oh...

We have gone around on this topic previously

I am only going to stay with factory documented items - such as the M 260 using the Holly carbs and not Carters.

A look at your posted Mercury M 260 parts list confirms the use of the two Hollys (EDB-9510-C)

There a many pictures of the M 260 manifold sporting the Carter carbs and yes I agree the racers probably did try the Carters BUT the Mercury factory documentation specs Hollys.

Merc did use BOTH Carter and Holly carbs for the 1956 - 312 engines. I have factory documentation of this fact in the form of Mercury TSB #37 dated 4/6/56

Merc also used that shitty Load "O" Matic distributor for the 56 model year.

The M 260 manifold is a clone of the Edelbrock unit.

I have a conversation with Ed Iskenderian that I recorded.
He speaks of the cams he was grinding at the time for Edelbrock who was sending the M 260 cams and manifolds parts back east to the race teams.

I find your observation on the manifold numbers interesting.

You certainly have a much broader Ford knowledge base than I do.

However Ford themselves did produce both the 1956 - 9425 manifold as well as the 1957 - 9424 manifolds.

So I"m not sure if that statement would be true generalisation.

So how did the LOM Dist receive vacuum signals from a CARTER?

Bill Stroppe was working with MERC DIV and most of their performance parts were developed by him (or with his input) including the M 335 and MEL 3 X 2. So MERC went on a slightly different path.

I recently sold an original Ford 260 Power Pack kit that was N.O.S.

I acquired it mostly to obtain the knowledge on the camshaft that I cam doctored for the results.

Also discovered the way the distributor advance was preformed and limited for that race kit.

I would assume the distributor info would be pertinate to the Merc M 260 setup also.

Oldmics

What I find on this subject is a spattering of info here and there, most not exact and contradictory. It seems it should pretty well be documented by now.

OK, I am sure you photographed and documented the kit.

What is it going to cost to acquire that information?

BTW- I spent about twenty years in dealership parts rooms and service and did learn a lot most don't take the time to learn. I was also a Saturday morning junk yard aficionado. I am and was always a FORD nut (certified).

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by Alaska Jim

I have seen pictures of them both ways, but I suspect you are right, and that they probably were argent from the factory

Let me interject here. In addition to the 8V Kit, I read a reference to a separate ENGINE DRESS KIT. I am a$$-u-me(ing) this is where the chromed air cleaner shots are coming from.

So keep your hopes up. I am pretty sure this is what is going on ...

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by scicala

Not 100 % sure about that one. The chart shows the '56 312 P code with 2x4 carbs as 225 HP. That's the same HP that the single 4 barrel 312 had in '56.

The picture appears to have the Edelbrock 2x4 intake (as used on the M260 kit) possibly, since the vacuum for the power brakes is in the center of the intake. The '57 2x4 intake wasn't tapped for vacuum. would be interesting to know the carb numbers. Probably the same as the M260 carbs.

Sal

You are sharp! That one blew past me.

There were two ratings on the 312 4V, one for STD TRANS and the other (higher) for the AT. I am a$$-u-me(ing) the higher HP (cam change) was to have the two cars have the same basic performance levels as the AT drew a lot of HP.

As for Power Brakes, the kit installed in the 57 FORD would most likely had manual brakes and a STD trans so no need for TV linkage or manifold vacuum source.

[KULTULZ]

I am editing and posting this article for further clarification on the 1956 8V POWER-PACK KIT-

The 1956 8V (dual four) Kit was introduced and released to the public July 6, 1956 by Production Service Letter P-311a. The title of the letter was 312 CUBIC INCH HIGH POWER ENGINE KIT. Stating "A new high power kit (B6A-9000-B) has been released for use on the 1956 312 cubic inch passenger car engine, when customers may desire to obtain maximum performance from 1956 cars where it is desired, as in law enforcement, stock car racing, etc."

A quote from the letter states "This new power pack kit will be available through Ford dealers and will be adapted to 1956 312 cubic inch passenger cars with standard or overdrive transmissions only."

It is believed that few if any of these kits were installed during the 1956 production year due the release date to the public, July 6, 1956 and the end of production of the 1956 models, August 24, 1956. The first high out put single four-barrel kits introduced in production letter M-118a as well as the dual four kits introduced in production letter P-311a were not installed at the factory. They could be special ordered over the counter from most Ford dealerships. Any qualified mechanic could install the kit.

Documentation from one the B6A-9600-B kits provide installation instructions for passenger cars with standard three-speed or overdrive transmissions.

The last paragraph in the instruction sheet found in one of these kits states, "When installing this kit on a Thunderbird, follow the same procedures as listed above."

"The following parts are necessary for the Thunderbird installation: AH- 9725-F Shaft Assembly, AH-99830-C Hanger Assembly, EDB-9600-B Air Cleaner" (Oval Air Cleaner). I interpret this to mean these parts were not in the kit, it would not be practical to supply two types of air cleaners in the kit.

Additional research is being conducted on all the kits

Gil

SOURCE- https://www.ctci.org/gilsgarage/19568VOption.php

And as has been previously mentioned, the main reason for the release was to make it NASCAR legal in all probability and to make the parts available for NASCAR teams..

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by Oldmics

The intent for the Ford Power Pack was as a race package for the roundy roundy lads. The hardware was designed for use in vehicles with standard shift trannys only.

There was no kickdown rod or automatic bell crank made for use on either the Mercury M 260 kit or the Ford 260 Power Pack to accomidate an automatic transmission.

Therefore that pretty blue 56 never had that kit originally.

It may have been the BIRD had a tranny modification, i.e. a manual valve body upgrade as to where a TVS or Modular Valve was not needed. The trans is then operated manually. It is also possible the TVS linkage was fabricated.

Onwards to Kultulz"s

We have gone around on this topic previously

There is no going around. A subject is being discussed without all factory information possibly being found.

I am only going to stay with factory documented items - such as the M 260 using the Holly carbs and not Carters.

A look at your posted Mercury M 260 parts list confirms the use of the two Hollys (EDB-9510-C)

And I agree (at this point), but I have several shots of the M 260 Kit (factory photos) of it's also being CARTER EQUIPPED (I need to dig those out).

The M 260 manifold is a clone of the Edelbrock unit.

I have a conversation with Ed Iskenderian that I recorded.

He speaks of the cams he was grinding at the time for Edelbrock who was sending the M 260 cams and manifolds parts back east to the race teams.

I find your observation on the manifold numbers interesting.

However Ford themselves did produce both the 1956 - 9425 manifold as well as the 1957 - 9424 manifolds.

I could possibly see the 57 E-CODE intake as being factory cast as it (option) was RPO, but possibly not the 56 POWER-PACK intake as it was limited production and would have cost a small fortune in casting and tooling.

Much cheaper (and easier) to farm out.

Even more, the aftermarket intake fabricators would have much more flow knowledge/experience than FORD ENGINEERING at the time as also shown for their dependency on ISKY.

I learned many years ago to never say never regarding FOMOCO...

[5851a]

I find all of the above very interesting. Things were sure moving fast in the 50's to the mid 70's.

[Troublemaker427]

Can anyone tell me where the large passenger car style E-code air cleaner is being reproduced?

[Oldmics]

Jody

There have been two runs of the "E" code reproduction air cleaners.

One run in the seventys and the other one in the early 2Ks.

The run was for both round T Bird styles and also passenger cars. Most were T Birds however.

There was also a small run of the ovals in the mid 90s.

Pretty much all of the air cleaners have been sucked up.

The repros sell for only a few bucks less than the originals and either originals or repros are very difficult to find.

There is an original passenger car unit currently on eBay for 2K.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-FORD-3...53.m1438.l2649

I know the seller and he is not going to offer it at any less.It will eventually sell for his price!

Its a tough "pony up" world with the "E" stuff.

Deals can be ocassionally had if watching the auction sites like a hawk but who has time for that.

I"ll keep an eye out for you and contact you if I find something reasonable.

Oldmics (Your favorite Merc wagon guy)

[scicala]

"Now to add to the confusion, MERC decided to not use the HOLLEY 4000 for the 56 model run (312 4V) and used the WCFB instead (what did they use for a distributor?). I have several shots of M 260 installs that show CARTER carbs. FORD used 4000's."


As Oldmics said the Holley 4000 was the only carb supplied with the factory 2x4 kit. I have no idea which Carter WCFB'S some racers switched to, but the '56 Merc's that came with single WCFB's were set up with spark valves and the correct vacuum signal for the Loadomatic distributor. It was a one year only thing for Merc's and also had vacuum secondaries which is a pretty rare thing with WCFB's.

Sal

[Oldmics]

2361S was the Carter carb # for the 56 Merc.

Yep,spark valve equipted for that wonderful LOAD "O" MATIC

Oldmics

[Alaska Jim]

I find all this information very informative and interesting. Thank you all for sharing your knowledge.-------Jim

[KULTULZ]

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Originally Posted by scicala

"Now to add to the confusion, MERC decided to not use the HOLLEY 4000 for the 56 model run (312 4V) and used the WCFB instead (what did they use for a distributor?). I have several shots of M 260 installs that show CARTER carbs. FORD used 4000's."


As Oldmics said the Holley 4000 was the only carb supplied with the factory 2x4 kit. I have no idea which Carter WCFB'S some racers switched to, but the '56 Merc's that came with single WCFB's were set up with spark valves and the correct vacuum signal for the Loadomatic distributor. It was a one year only thing for Merc's and also had vacuum secondaries which is a pretty rare thing with WCFB's.

Sal

MERC seemed to go with the WCFB 4V towards the end of the 1956 production run (and I would love to know why) as HP increased (see first att). LINC-MERC seemed to prefer the CARTER throughout this and MEL production.

As for the MERC ONLY M 260 OPTIONAL ENGINE KIT MGK-66005-AA-

The Product Letter Release refers to it's being released to upgrade the STD 312 (with HP rating and no time of production year given) to the SPECS of THE M 260 OPTIONAL ENGINE. This infers to me that there was either an actual RPO M 260 ENGINE (MERC) or previous kit release(s).

Obviously all documentation has not been discovered/verified.

The MGK-66005-AA KIT contents are shown below. The kit contents show two separate identical air cleaners (ECZ 9600-L).


But there was another kit released (it also had 4000's) had one large air cleaner and I have also come across a reference as to where a limited production kit (50) was released with WCFB's.

So stay tuned to this BAT CHANNEL at no particular BAT TIME

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by Oldmics

2361S was the Carter carb # for the 56 Merc.

Yep,spark valve equipted for that wonderful LOAD "O" MATIC

Oldmics

Received, acknowledged and filed...

...and 2361SA (M-O-M).

THANX! ...

[Oldmics]

Kultulz says

"MERC seemed to go with the WCFB 4V towards the end of the 1956 production run (and I would love to know why) as HP increased (see first att). LINC-MERC seemed to prefer the CARTER throughout this and MEL production."

I have no information regarding when the Carter carbs were instituted on Mercury engines BUT I believe it was at the introduction of the 1956 model year.

Based upon my own empirical research I have discovered that the 1956 Mercury engines using the Carter carb all came from the St Louis Mercury assembly plant.

Odd coincidence that the Carter Carburator manufacturing plant was in the same town ?

I believe Carter offered Mercury a SWEET introductory deal to get the business away from Holley.

Local home town production facilitys of both manufactors in St Louis would reduce shipping costs to the automaker and Merc could test run Carter to ascertain if they would be a contender for supplying the Mercury business demands.

Its hard to say if that business stratgy worked.

Merc then used both Carter and Holley for the 57 model year,used Holley exclusivly for 1958 and then split between Carter and Holley for 1959.

While Ford/Mercury may have been a feather in the cap for Carter company,Carter was still supplying many other auto manufactors with their units.

__________________________________________________ _____________

Now onto that elusive Race Kit

There were actually 3 kits availiable

The discussed Mercury M 260 Kit - MGK-66005-AA

The Ford Power Pack Kit B6A-9000-B K3 for Standard or overdrive transmission on Ford passenger cars

AND

The Ford Power Pack Kit B6A-9000-B K4 for Standard or overdrive transmission on Ford Thunderbird.

The K4 kit exclusively supplied the necessary T Bird parts including the oval air cleaner.

With only a grand total of 100 of both the K3 and K4 kits being produced, one can understand the rareity (and the pricing) of the oval air cleaners.

The picture of the kit above showing the single large Purolator air cleaner
is the kit that I owned. That is the B6A-9000-B K3 .

It is NOT the Mercury kit.

I am aware of the tale of the 50 kits produced using Carter carbs and it may be true HOWEVER NO DOCUMENTATION OF THAT EXISTS !

I have the RPO list for the Ford kits,more factory documentation than anyone else that I have encountered on the Merc M 260 setup and all of my analysis and breakdowns from the acqusition of the Ford 260 kit.

Is it everything that was ever produced ???? Who"s too say ???

It is quite a bit of information. Kultulz you have asked what it will cost to acquire that information.

I will gladly share it with you. It would be a fun meeting of the minds.

Oldmics

[Oldmics]

The forementioned "Production Release Letter" would have been dated no earlier than 3-30-56.

Mercury Service Bulletin speced that info in Number 36 on that date.

That cam change mentioned in that Bulletin is not the M 260 cam.

I have all of that M 260 Cam info also (2 different bumpsticks)

Oldmics

[KULTULZ]

I will gladly share it with you. It would be a fun meeting of the minds.

You had better be careful. You would most likely have to pull my trembling hands from the steering wheel of that 57 MERC. I am very emotional you know...

It would be interesting to meet. Do you live in BAL or the outskirts?

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by dmsfrr

Alaska Jim...

On a facebook Thunderbird page I remember an E-code owner asking for help locating replacement filter elements. Not sure what he ended up using, apparently they are almost as difficult to find as the housing. Just something else to consider....
Dennis

<edit>
Filter elements -
I found the original fb post and copied 3 (unverified) comments below from other folks.

"The Ford specs for these elements are: 5 9/16" ID, 7 1/16" OD, 2 1/8" High with part number: B7A-9601-F ... but no one seems to have anymore.

An alternate might be FRAM's 42148 measuring 5 1/16" ID, 6 7/8" OD, 2.150 High. Not the exact size, but possibly close enough to work. At $7 from rockauto I'd give it a try."

http://www.autopartoo.com/oem/fram/ca130pl.html

"here's a link to the K&N filter Brian mentioned"
https://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?prod=e-3320
Height 1.75 in
Inside Diameter 5.25 in
Outside Diameter 6.25 in

Maybe this will help also- http://57fordsforever.com/smf/index.php?topic=7059.0

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by scicala

Not 100 % sure about that one. The chart shows the '56 312 P code with 2x4 carbs as 225 HP. That's the same HP that the single 4 barrel 312 had in '56. The picture appears to have the Edelbrock 2x4 intake (as used on the M260 kit) possibly, since the vacuum for the power brakes is in the center of the intake. The '57 2x4 intake wasn't tapped for vacuum. would be interesting to know the carb numbers. Probably the same as the M260 carbs.

Sal

Yeah, the chart is not accurate.

[Oldmics]

Kultulz asks

"Do you live in BAL or the outskirts?"


I am outside of da hood in Glen Burnie.

Close to the Md - MVA

Oldmics

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by Oldmics

Kultulz asks

"Do you live in BAL or the outskirts?"


I am outside of da hood in Glen Burnie.

Close to the Md - MVA

Oldmics

Know exactly where you are. I drove OTR out of Elkridge and went by you on the way to Federalsburg (Eastern Shore). I did live in Rockville but they finally chased me out...

Will PM you later tonight.

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by Oldmics

Kultulz says

"MERC seemed to go with the WCFB 4V towards the end of the 1956 production run (and I would love to know why) as HP increased (see first att). LINC-MERC seemed to prefer the CARTER throughout this and MEL production."

I have no information regarding when the Carter carbs were instituted on Mercury engines BUT I believe it was at the introduction of the 1956 model year.

Based upon my own empirical research I have discovered that the 1956 Mercury engines using the Carter carb all came from the St Louis Mercury assembly plant.

OK, the kit I showed with the single round ACL was actually a FORD release. Did the FORD kit with the oval air cleaner come later?

Now onto that elusive Race Kit

There were actually 3 kits availiable

The discussed Mercury M 260 Kit - MGK-66005-AA

The Ford Power Pack Kit B6A-9000-B K3 for Standard or overdrive transmission on Ford passenger cars

AND

The Ford Power Pack Kit B6A-9000-B K4 for Standard or overdrive transmission on Ford Thunderbird.

The K4 kit exclusively supplied the necessary T Bird parts including the oval air cleaner.

With only a grand total of 100 of both the K3 and K4 kits being produced, one can understand the rareity (and the pricing) of the oval air cleaners.

The picture of the kit above showing the single large Purolator air cleaner
is the kit that I owned. That is the B6A-9000-B K3 .

It is NOT the Mercury kit.

I am aware of the tale of the 50 kits produced using Carter carbs and it may be true HOWEVER NO DOCUMENTATION OF THAT EXISTS !

I have the RPO list for the Ford kits,more factory documentation than anyone else that I have encountered on the Merc M 260 setup and all of my analysis and breakdowns from the acqusition of the Ford 260 kit.

Is it everything that was ever produced ???? Who"s too say ???

It is quite a bit of information. Kultulz you have asked what it will cost to acquire that information.

I will gladly share it with you. It would be a fun meeting of the minds.

Oldmics

...scribble...scribble...scribble...

I briefly glanced at a statement that there was also an engine dress kit available along with the kit for the 56 BIRD. Do you have any reference?

Have you, by any chance, thought of organizing and selling the info you have gathered? I know you are familiar with Joe Bunetic. He offered much elusive info on the 58 MERC MARAUDER 3X2.

You have certainly gathered the information. I would enjoy (and increase my knowledge) meeting you...

[slumlord44]

Any suggestions for a filter element for the '57 Bird large round filter? I have been using a Fram filter for a GM Tri power for years. Bought a case many years ago but am running low. I tried K&N to see if they had one that would fit but they said they had nothing close. Would like a K&N if i could find an application that would work or be made to work. Suggestions?

[slumlord44]

Any ideas for a source for the element for the '57 Bird large round aircleaner? I have been using a supply of a GM tri power Fram filter that I bought many years ago. I tried K&N with no luck.

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by slumlord44

Any ideas for a source for the element for the '57 Bird large round air cleaner?

Your housing style is as below?

EDIT-

I found a repro but you ain't gonna like the price...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-Ford-P...-/263332251906

This is an excellent reproduction of a long obsolete air filter element. B7A-9601G Used in the 1957 FORD with the dual quad setup on the 312 engine. (Twin 4 bbl carbs) NOT used on TBirds. The element is 17" in diameter and 3" deep. This is a quality reproduction with the correct screens, sealing material and element colors. Made in the USA.

Photo Added Below-

____________________________

PARTS ID INFO-

B7A 9601-G

14.79" ID - 17.34 OD - 2.88" H

EDIT - CORRECTION

There were two elements issued for this 1957 E-CODE round ACL Housing, depending if installed on FORD or BIRD E-CODE-

FORD- B7A 9601-G - Dimensions Shown Above

BIRD- B7S 9601-B - Dimensions The Same Except For Height - 2.12in H

[Oldmics]

Originally Posted by slumlord44

Any ideas for a source for the element for the '57 Bird large round aircleaner? I have been using a supply of a GM tri power Fram filter that I bought many years ago. I tried K&N with no luck.

Are we still discussing "E" code elements ?

Or the regular single 4 element ?

Both items are availiable from the local T Bird venders such as Hill"s.

Oldmics

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by slumlord44

Any suggestions for a filter element for the '57 Bird large round filter? I have been using a Fram filter for a GM Tri power for years. Bought a case many years ago but am running low. I tried K&N to see if they had one that would fit but they said they had nothing close. Would like a K&N if i could find an application that would work or be made to work. Suggestions?

Originally Posted by slumlord44

Any ideas for a source for the element for the '57 Bird large round aircleaner? I have been using a supply of a GM tri power Fram filter that I bought many years ago. I tried K&N with no luck.

Originally Posted by Oldmics

Are we still discussing "E" code elements ?

Or the regular single 4 element ?

Both items are availiable from the local T Bird venders such as Hill"s.

Oldmics

...hmmpf...

Good Question...

I a$$-u-me(ed) he is asking 57 FORD E-CODE...

SUPPOSEDLY... ... starting another food fight ...

The large round E-CODE housing was released for FORD and the oval for BIRD in 1957 because (again supposedly) the large round interfered with hood closure on the BIRD. But I have seen numerous photos of the round on a BIRD.

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by Oldmics

Now onto that elusive Race Kit

There were actually 3 kits availiable

The discussed Mercury M 260 Kit - MGK-66005-AA

The Ford Power Pack Kit B6A-9000-B K3 for Standard or overdrive transmission on Ford passenger cars

AND

The Ford Power Pack Kit B6A-9000-B K4 for Standard or overdrive transmission on Ford Thunderbird.

The K4 kit exclusively supplied the necessary T Bird parts including the oval air cleaner.

With only a grand total of 100 of both the K3 and K4 kits being produced, one can understand the rareity (and the pricing) of the oval air cleaners.

The picture of the kit above showing the single large Purolator air cleaner
is the kit that I owned. That is the B6A-9000-B K3 .

It is NOT the Mercury kit.

Oldmics

OK...

This kit-



- is the FORD KIT B6A 9000-B K3 (FORD Unique).

BTW- I knew is was not the MERC Kit MGK 66005-AA as the parts list for that specific kit showed two air cleaners. But I did not know it was FORD Specific.

Now with that being said (or posted actually), was another kit released by FORD that used the oval air cleaner or was the oval air cleaner used just for the BIRD Kit release? If there was another kit released, did the letter give a Service PN for the oval air cleaner itself?

ALSO-

Did you ever come across any reference that a separate BIRD Engine Dress-Up Kit (in addition to the BIRD specific kit B6A 9000-B K4) was available (Brite Finish) to explain the chromed oval air cleaner?

The FORD MPC of the period (FINAL ISSUE) has deleted much of that info (not PRODUCTION RELEASE LETTER specific).

[Oldmics]

Kutulz asks

"Now with that being said (or posted actually), was another kit released by FORD that used the oval air cleaner"

The B6A 9000-B K4 was the kit released at the same time as the K3.
The K4 kit for the T Birds included the oval air cleaner

"or was the oval air cleaner used just for the BIRD Kit release?"

Bird kit only !

If there was another kit released, (only the 3 kits released 2 from Ford and 1 from Merc)

did the letter give a Service PN for the oval air cleaner itself?

The letter only had the engineering number (EDB-9600-B) for the oval air cleaner.

It crosses in the Master Cross Reference to part# B6A 9600 H .

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Kultulz asks

"Did you ever come across any reference that a separate BIRD Engine Dress-Up Kit"

The Dress Up Kit for T Birds was availiable from the introduction of the 55 Birds till the end of the two seaters production.

It is listed on gate sheets as "ENG DRESS KIT" at a cost of $15.00.

It consisted of the chrome air cleaner top for the single 4BBL engine,chrome oil breather cap and the Thunderbird aluminum valve covers.

While the "ENG DRESS KIT" was also availiable for the 1957 "E" Code setups, the air cleaner (which were a large round unit) were not chromed.

There does not seem to be a Service Parts Number for the ENG DRESS KIT. The only reference I can find is on the gate sheets.

Apparently it was a factory only offering.Not availiable in the field (except as individual parts)

The race kits were compleatly different critters than the dress up kits.

I had thought you were previously asking about a dress up kit for the passenger cars which never existed.
Dress up kits were availiable only for the T Birds.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Kultulz asks

(in addition to the BIRD specific kit B6A 9000-B K4) was available (Brite Finish) to explain the chromed oval air cleaner?"

The oval air cleaners were not chromed in the kit,they were argent.

Most got the chromed finish over the years.

Hope this helps.

Finally pictures of the unobtanium below

The chrome one is an XP model. (Ford eXPerimental engineering)
That is why the "FRONT" is in block.

The argent unit is what came in the B6A 9000-B K4 kit.

Hope this helps,Oldmics

[Alaska Jim]

Thank you Oldmics, that is some very good info.

[KULTULZ]

1956 Ford Dual Four Carburetors (8-V Option)


The first high performance kit for 1956 Ford models was released September 22, 1955 service letter M-118a. Its title was "235 HORSE POWER 312 CUBIC INCH HIGH 0UTPUT ENGINE (1956 Cars)". This kit used a single four-barrel carburetor.

************************************************** *********

The 1956 8V (dual four) Kit was introduced and released to the public July 6, 1956 by Production service letter P-311a. The title of the letter was 312 CUBIC INCH HIGH POWER ENGINE KIT.

Stating "A new high-power kit (B6A-9000-B) has been released for use on the 1956 312 cubic inch passenger car engine, when customers may desire to obtain maximum performance from 1956 cars where it is desired, as in law enforcement, stock car racing, etc." A quote from the letter states "This new power pack kit will be available through Ford dealers and will be adapted to 1956 312 cubic inch passenger cars with standard or overdrive transmissions only."

It is believed that few if any of these kits were installed during the 1956 production year due the release date to the public, July 6, 1956 and the end of production of the 1956 models, August 24, 1956. The first high output single four-barrel kits introduced in production letter M-118a as well as the dual four kits introduced in production letter P-311a were not installed at the factory. They could be special ordered over the counter from most Ford dealerships. Any mechanic could install the kit.

In early 1957 a letter was sent to all Ford dealers dated February 4, 1957 stating, "This is to advise that we currently have a limited supply of B6A-9000-B Engine Kits used with the 312-engine assembly. These kits are now being offered for sale at a reduced price of $100.00 Dealer Net: They were formerly priced at $315.00 Dealer net. These kits are being offered as is and subject to prior sale". Documentation from one the B6A-9600-B kits provide installation instructions for passenger cars with standard three-speed or overdrive transmissions.

The last paragraph in the instruction sheet found in one of these kits states, "When installing this kit on a Thunderbird, follow the same procedures as listed above."

"The following parts are necessary for the Thunderbird installation:

AH 9725-F Shaft Assembly, AH 99830-C Hanger Assembly, EDB 9600-B Air Cleaner" (Oval Air Cleaner). I interpret this to mean these parts were not in the kit, it would not be practical to supply two types of air cleaners in the kit.

SOURCE- https://www.ctci.org/gilsgarage/19568VOption.php_

Note-

The above was an interpretation of the PRODUCT SERVICE(s) by the article's author. I wish he had included copies of the letters, maybe an abbreviated interpretation of his of the letters to allow others read exactly what the letter(s) stated.

_________________________________________

OK,

Think I have it somewhat figured out.

The B6A 9000-B K3 was for 1956 312 FORD install. It included the unique round filter shown previously with the PUROLATOR AIR FILTER ELEMENT DECAL. The unique ACL Service PN must be included in the instruction sheet(s).

The B6A 9600-B K4 was an additional kit to install the K3 on the BIRD, and one of those items was an EDB 9600-B ACL ASM. The large round filter housing must not have fit under the hood of the BIRD so the oval ACL design was released just for this purpose.

This answers my questions other than the possible WCFB equipped kits.

[KULTULZ]

I must have been typing while you were typing...

Originally Posted by Oldmics

Kutulz asks

"Now with that being said (or posted actually), was another kit released by FORD that used the oval air cleaner"

The B6A 9000-B K4 was the kit released at the same time as the K3.
The K4 kit for the T Birds included the oval air cleaner

"or was the oval air cleaner used just for the BIRD Kit release?"

Bird kit only !

If there was another kit released, (only the 3 kits released 2 from Ford and 1 from Merc)

did the letter give a Service PN for the oval air cleaner itself?

The letter only had the engineering number (EDB-9600-B) for the oval air cleaner.

It crosses in the Master Cross Reference to part# B6A 9600 H .

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Kultulz asks

"Did you ever come across any reference that a separate BIRD Engine Dress-Up Kit"

The Dress Up Kit for T Birds was availiable from the introduction of the 55 Birds till the end of the two seaters production.

It is listed on gate sheets as "ENG DRESS KIT" at a cost of $15.00.

It consisted of the chrome air cleaner top for the single 4BBL engine,chrome oil breather cap and the Thunderbird aluminum valve covers.

While the "ENG DRESS KIT" was also availiable for the 1957 "E" Code setups, the air cleaner (which were a large round unit) were not chromed.

There does not seem to be a Service Parts Number for the ENG DRESS KIT. The only reference I can find is on the gate sheets.

Apparently it was a factory only offering.Not availiable in the field (except as individual parts)

The race kits were compleatly different critters than the dress up kits.

I had thought you were previously asking about a dress up kit for the passenger cars which never existed.
Dress up kits were availiable only for the T Birds.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Kultulz asks

(in addition to the BIRD specific kit B6A 9000-B K4) was available (Brite Finish) to explain the chromed oval air cleaner?"

The oval air cleaners were not chromed in the kit,they were argent.

Most got the chromed finish over the years.

Hope this helps.

Finally pictures of the unobtanium below

The chrome one is an XP model. (Ford eXPerimental engineering)
That is why the "FRONT" is in block.

The argent unit is what came in the B6A 9000-B K4 kit.

Hope this helps,Oldmics

It did and THANX!

What I meant about the BIRD ENGINE DRESS KIT was not the actual dress kit available on order (most likely offered an OTC kit also) but a 8V OVAL BRITE AIR CLEANER ASM (over 8V oval STD argent) which you have shown

[KULTULZ]

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Originally Posted by KULTULZ

I am pretty sure the element(s) is not correct.

I have a factory kit release correct photo stored somewhere...

EDIT-

CRS AGAIN! Where's The Beef!?!?

The air cleaner is not correct as it is the oval air cleaner (unless two separate kits were issued or this is a real M 260 Factory Build).

The ACL ELEMENTS APPEAR TOO HIGH. Possibly correct replacements couldn't be found...?

OK. Found the factory release photo (shown in period speed magazine). The photo does show H4000's.

But,

I also discovered these (shown below). So there is something going on. The air cleaner asm. is on a ECZ 9424-C so less chance of a custom made filter asm. I have two references to this air cleaner, one HOLLEY, one CARTER.

[scicala]

Oldmics,

Does this mean there were three different air cleaner set ups for the Ford and Merc 260 HP kits ? One single large round that covered both carbs (Purolator), two single rounds (one for each carb), and the oval one pictured above to cover both carbs ?

Sal

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by scicala

Oldmics,

Does this mean there were three different air cleaner set ups...

Sal

Four actually-

1) The FORD K3 Kit single large round,

2) The FORD K4 Kit single oval,

3) The MERC 66005 Kit listing two separate ACL's

4) The MERC M260 single oval (mtd on ECZ 9424-C MERC specific intake).

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by slumlord44

Any ideas for a source for the element for the '57 Bird large round aircleaner? I have been using a supply of a GM tri power Fram filter that I bought many years ago. I tried K&N with no luck.

Originally Posted by KULTULZ

Your housing style is as below?

EDIT-

I found a repro but you ain't gonna like the price...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-Ford-P...-/263332251906

Photo Added Below-

____________________________

PARTS ID INFO-

B7A 9601-G

14.79" ID - 17.34 OD - 2.88" H

Originally Posted by Oldmics

Are we still discussing "E" code elements ?

Or the regular single 4 element ?

Both items are availiable from the local T Bird venders such as Hill"s.

Oldmics

Seems he never got back but if the round '57 8V cleaner, i stumbled across the attached photo showing a NAPA element. Not sure if still offered but the info may help someone else.

[Oldmics]

Sal has it correct - 3 differing air cleaners styles

In the K3 kit was 1- large round Purolator

K4 kit had the oval

Merc had two helmet looking air cleaners.

The oval air cleaner pictured as a Mercury setup is not from the era.

It is a modern day "what if" unit that was made by a very fine craftsman that sells on eBay that I know.

Oldmics

[scicala]

Thank you Oldmics. I didn't think that copper colored one with the M260 decal was correct for an original 260 HP kit for '56 Ford or Merc.

Sal

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by Oldmics

The oval air cleaner pictured as a Mercury setup is not from the era.

It is a modern day "what if" unit that was made by a very fine craftsman that sells on eBay that I know.

Oldmics

Can you point me to his store?

[Oldmics]

Kultulz

P.M. sent regarding the seller

Oldmics

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by Oldmics

Kultulz

P.M. sent regarding the seller

Oldmics

Received and appreciated...

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by rowens55

Not shire how much help this will be.

My ECG 9424-D intake is 7 7/16" center to center front stud to front std. that leaves 3 15/16" (if my math is correct) rad for each air cleaner. Thus my choice of 2 @ 6 3/8"..think they were (pour memory) about 12 bucks apiece.

Bought 2 extra elements and stacked em. I'll try and find the pic. Personally think they look kinda kool.

Here is a photo of a 56 MERC M-260 (install said to be original - auction house) with the FORD POWER PACK ACL (showing stacked elements)



Now, to start beating the drums in the jungle...

As far as the mysterious 56 MERC 8V w CARTERS.

This was supposedly a distinct separate kit and must have used the 56 FORD 8V intake.

EDIT- Or, FORD had the ACL vendor fabricate a longer housing for this application.

There were supposedly fifty kits released directly before the 1956 DARLINGTON 500 (that would have made the application NASCAR compliant).

It cannot be said (IMO) that this never happened as there is no documentation. There is no known documentation and no documentation reputing the additional kit.

The documentation will be found in BILL STROPPE, HOLMAN-MOODY history and/or FORD Service Letter release(s).

This is the last detail I need to find as I have gathered a wealth of FYB info here, and I am deeply grateful to all.

[mercman from oz]

Here is a picture of a genuine Air Cleaner on an unrestored 1957 Ford Thunderbird. Absolute pristine condition in every department.

[KULTULZ]

I answered this gentleman's question incorrectly-

Originally Posted by slumlord44

Any ideas for a source for the element for the '57 Bird large round aircleaner? I have been using a supply of a GM tri power Fram filter that I bought many years ago. I tried K&N with no luck.

Originally Posted by KULTULZ Posted 12-04-207 #78

B7A 9601-G

14.79" ID - 17.34 OD - 2.88" H

EDIT - CORRECTION

There were two elements issued for this 1957 E-CODE round ACL Housing, depending if installed on FORD or BIRD E-CODE-

FORD- B7A 9601-G - Dimensions Shown Above

BIRD- B7S 9601-B - Dimensions The Same Except For Height - 2.12in H

[KULTULZ]

EDIT - CORRECTION!

Originally Posted by KULTULZ POST #95 01-09-2018 0411HRS

Here is a photo of a 56 MERC (Supposed Dedicated Restoration) M-260 (install said to be original - auction house) with the FORD POWER PACK ACL (showing stacked elements)

(Photo Showing Supposedly Dedicated 56 MERC M-260 Restoration)

WRONG!

The 8V 56 MERC 8V one piece oval ACL was unique in it's appearance as compared to the oval 56 BIRD 8V oval ACL release.

This is indifferent to the debate of it's actually being FORD VENDOR released or later fabrication.

[KULTULZ]

NEW REFERENCE FOUND

I came across the below article while carousing with my browser. Let the games and debates begin...

ARTICLE- http://ctcc9.blogspot.com/2013/02/e-code-engine.html

[Oldmics]

What would you like to discuss about that article ?


Oldmics

[slumlord44]

Originally Posted by KULTULZ

Seems he never got back but if the round '57 8V cleaner, i stumbled across the attached photo showing a NAPA element. Not sure if still offered but the info may help someone else.

Thats the one I am looking for, '57 Bird round air cleaner filter element.

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by KULTULZ

Seems he never got back but if the round '57 8V cleaner, i stumbled across the attached photo showing a NAPA element.

Not sure if still offered but the info may help someone else.

Originally Posted by slumlord44

Thats the one I am looking for, '57 Bird round air cleaner filter element.

Be careful here. There are two elements for the 57 ACL, one for FORD and the other for BIRD, the BIRD being not as tall.

The FORD PN's (to help cross-over) are within this thread.

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by KULTULZ

NEW REFERENCE FOUND

I came across the below article while carousing with my browser. Let the games and debates begin...

ARTICLE- http://ctcc9.blogspot.com/2013/02/e-code-engine.html

Originally Posted by Oldmics

What would you like to discuss about that article ?


Oldmics

Hey Oldmics...

It is not what I want to discuss as I am fairly satisfied with all the info that has come to light.

I just found it interesting that FORD decided to empty it's HP parts bins due to the upcoming AMA ban and possibly others reactions to the article which seems to have drawn little interest.

[Oldmics]

Thought I would post up a picture of my latest (sorta) oval "E" Code air cleaner acquisition.


Pretty bizzarre !!!!!!!!!!!


Oldmics

[Alaska Jim]

That is the first one of those I have seen, sort of a cross between the standard 2x4, and the oval one pretty interesting. sometimes I miss living in the lower 48 states, as there is almost nothing in the way of swap meets up here in Alaska. there is certainly not much of anything left in the way of old performance parts of any kind left that ever shows up for sale.

[KULTULZ]

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Originally Posted by Oldmics

Thought I would post up a picture of my latest (sorta) oval "E" Code air cleaner acquisition.

Pretty bizzarre !!!!!!!!!!!

Oldmics

Just wondering, what is it you find bizarre?

... rattle ... rattle ...

[Oldmics]

Originally Posted by KULTULZ

Just wondering, what is it you find bizarre?

... rattle ... rattle ...

Just that its a combination of the two styles of air cleaner. Kinda like they didnt know which way to go.


Oldmics

[Oldmics]

Heres yet another style that I was just made aware of


Oldmics

[KULTULZ]

... duh ...

It finally dawned on me what you are saying about he 1st ACL. It appears to be an open element style, maybe made similar in appearance to the 57 BIRD 4V cleaner?. Who knew? I bet a few people would want the ($$$) for a detailed engine.

The 2nd you show is just the 57 early E-CODE ACL isn't it?