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Old 10-12-2015, 08:01 PM   #1
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At what point is it NOT a Model A?
For example: A custom bodied speedster/hill climber mounted to a 1929 Frame, using the mechanical brakes, wheels, front end, rear end, steering column, radiator with shell as in 1929. I am undecided on an A or B engine.

Thanks for your insights and thoughts.
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Old 10-12-2015, 08:26 PM   #2
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Old 10-12-2015, 08:38 PM   #3
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At what point is it NOT a Model A?
For example: A custom bodied speedster/hill climber mounted to a 1929 Frame, using the mechanical brakes, wheels, front end, rear end, steering column, radiator with shell as in 1929. I am undecided on an A or B engine.

Thanks for your insights and thoughts.
What will it be described as on your Title?

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Old 10-13-2015, 07:27 AM   #4
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What will it be described as on your Title?

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if the title says it is a Model A, then it is a Model A. period.
like this one. BTW, it's for sale. kp
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Old 10-13-2015, 08:00 AM   #6
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Under NJ law, it is no longer an A when it is substantially modified beyond the original car.

Then you have to think what a reasonable court of law would think is beyond the original car.

One would think a basically original engine and driveline is close enough.

Pretty sure chevy engine, Mustang II front end, aftermarket frame, and a jag rear is not an A. FWIW, in NJ they have been checking on the drivelines. I know of 2 T buckets that were forced to give up their original titles and change to a custom built title. Others are sending in stock pictures of original cars and engines when requested by the state during registration renewals.
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Old 10-13-2015, 08:07 AM   #7
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If you went to the Doctor and got a new hart, would you still be you. I say yes but you would no longer be original. If you lost a arm or leg would you still be you?
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Old 10-13-2015, 08:29 AM   #8
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1932 Models, then its a B.
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Old 10-13-2015, 09:45 AM   #9
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It's what your insurance carrier says it is as well as the DMV registration.
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Old 10-13-2015, 10:28 AM   #10
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I personally don't believe it should be what is on the title! A Shay is listed as a Model A and it is anything but. It us a lot closer to a kit car. There is nothing on it Model A! They even oust them as 1929 which is totally false. Wayne
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Old 10-13-2015, 10:47 AM   #11
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It's what your insurance carrier says it is as well as the DMV registration.
I agree with Dennis.

Tough question.............I'm still trying to figure out what Bruce Jenner is?
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Old 10-13-2015, 11:08 AM   #12
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This is a question that will never have a consensus so we let the politicians decide for us.

In a legal sense, a fiberglass body that is mounted on a TCI chassis, with a chevy crate motor, a mustang rearend, Foose alloy wheels, air-conditioning, tinted windows and a Gucci interior could be titled as a 1930 Coupe in some states and that means it is a 1930 Coupe in the eyes of the law.

Doesn't make it a 1930 Coupe to me.

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Is it the air conditioning or the Gucci interior that pushes it over the line?
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If you lost a arm or leg would you still be you?

To answer that question, once you lose a leg and get a new one it becomes part of you, ask me how I know. I wear one of my legs (3 of them) from the time I get up until I go to bed, I even have a skinny dipping, Oops I mean a shower or water leg. I still drive, climb ladders, remodel bathrooms and kitchens, etc.
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Sounds like Theseus' paradox.
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I agree with Dennis.

Tough question.............I'm still trying to figure out what Bruce Jenner is?
Stop trying to figure that one out...Bruce Jenner doesn't even know what Bruce Jenner is.
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I agree with Dennis.

Tough question.............I'm still trying to figure out what Bruce Jenner is?
Well, I remember when he was an Olympic hero and was on the Wheaties box, but he lived too long.Sad.
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Say you built a car using all original parts from other Model A's would it be a Model A. I ask because I have done this.

If you built your car with a lot of reproduction parts is it still a Model A?
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Would you call this a Model A WITH a B engine and regular Model A 21" wheels??
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Years ago we were riding the "Sugar Pine" railroad outside of Yosemite. My daughter Heather was about 5. The steam train was put away and they were giving rides on a contraption that once took the men out to their work sites. Model A Ford powered. Heather said, "Dad, is this train a Model A?" She had a fine ear.
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