The Ford Barn

jeepguy1948 · 11-25-2022, 06:28 PM

Yes, I need to slow down and organize my thoughts when trying to get them in written form. I’m more of a verbal conversation kind of guy and I sometimes get frustrated by the amount of time required for written messages to go back and forth so I cram too much together. Although I have a lot of experience working on cars, and trucks, and Jeeps, I have not had a whole lot of experience on pre WW2 stuff. I am trying to get all this information down on paper so that I can build a notebook with it, I am old enough that my brain doesn’t seem to be able to keep quite so many balls in the air at the same time any more.

I think that when you corrected the typos on your drawing the drawing disappeared. It would be a big help if you would re-post that because I want to print it out. Thanks!

glennpm · 11-26-2022, 06:12 AM

Good plan on putting it together in a notebook.

I see the drawing I posted fine. I'll send it to as a PM now.

Glenn

jeepguy1948 · 11-26-2022, 10:12 PM

Does Cardone possibly make a remote reservoir conversion kit for the 1923? I have such a set up (in this case Willwood) on my Willys and it works quite well.

glennpm · 11-27-2022, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeepguy1948

Does Cardone possibly make a remote reservoir conversion kit for the 1923? I have such a set up (in this case Willwood) on my Willys and it works quite well.

Not that I know of. These stepped bore MCs weren't widely multiple application used.

You mentioned that you picked up a " ... including the Boling Brothers battery box master cylinder set up (which I will not be using)"; you may want to take a look at using it along with a Mico Dual-bore (stepped) master cylinder that I mentioned with link in post #8 above. They also have boosted designs and remote reservoirs. You may want to give them a call.

https://www.mico.com/products/brake-...ster-cylinders

Attached is an old Street Rodder magazine article and a Mico catalog that I trimmed and highlighted a little.

Glenn

jeepguy1948 · 11-27-2022, 12:09 PM

I appreciate the information Glenn, I won’t be using the battery box because I have relocated the battery to the bed of the truck (in an old tool box)because I really disliked having it under the car. I can use the Cardone without a remote reservoir if necessary.

jeepguy1948 · 11-27-2022, 12:39 PM

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jeepguy1948 · 11-27-2022, 01:03 PM

Read all the Mico stuff you sent, very informative! The Mico looks like a wonderful unit, my only concern being that it does not offer a split system to separate front and rear brakes.

jeepguy1948 · 11-30-2022, 04:47 PM

I called MICO tech support, I was told that MICO makes nothing for an on highway application, turns out that article was written in 1974, neither of the 2 guys referenced in the article is still there, the part number in the article is obsolete. When I pushed the guy he was able to cross reference the old part number to a new one that has the same specs as the old one. He is sending me some drawings for me to look over.

glennpm · 11-30-2022, 04:51 PM

Good on making the call. I attached their latest catalog above so the number should be listed there. Please post the drawings you get from them.

Glenn

glennpm · 12-01-2022, 09:54 AM

03-021-427
1.750 in = N-1
1.125 in = N
1. 44 in stroke

jeepguy1948 · 12-02-2022, 01:38 PM

If anybody wants to pm me with their email address I will forward the information that I got from MICO and then you could post it. BTW Glenn I have a different part number that has specs the same as the unit in the article (03-020-411) and would be better suited for our application as it has a smaller N bore. Anyway, all that aside, I do not see any advantage to the MICO when compared to the step bore Cardone. I don’t see any mechanical advantage to the MICO vs the Cardone. When you consider that that article was written in 1974, long before the step bore Cardone came along. I believe that essentially the Cardone is using the same technology, possibly they cloned the MICO.

jeepguy1948 · 12-02-2022, 02:04 PM

Glenn, I’m sorry but I have not been able to see that last edited drawing that you posted. I believe that you posted it on here but I couldn’t see it, and you said that you sent it to me in a pm and I still couldn’t see it. It’s very strange and I can’t explain it but I have had it happen before. I really would like to get it so that I could print it out and put it in my notebook. I have been told not to post my email address on here because undesirables can get it. I will send my email address to you in a pm and hopefully you will be able to email it to me. Glenn, Coopeman, and the rest of you, you have been such a tremendous help to me, I can’t begin to express my thanks and appreciation.

glennpm · 12-02-2022, 03:12 PM

Hey Don, now that I have your email, I'll send it along.

Glenn

PS You're welcome!

glennpm · 12-02-2022, 05:29 PM

Thanks Don,

These are the drawings, instructions, etc., that Don got from Mico. They recommended a large bore (N-1) of 1.50" and a small bore (N) of 0.875. It may be possible to use a remote fill with this master cylinder.

Glenn

glennpm · 12-03-2022, 07:14 AM

This is a jpg picture of the MC above.

jeepguy1948 · 12-03-2022, 01:25 PM

Other than the possibility of using a remote fill does anybody see an advantage with using the MICO?

glennpm · 12-03-2022, 01:30 PM

- Small size
- Advantages of a stepped bore, i.e., large volume at low foot force.
- Reduced pedal travel

jeepguy1948 · 12-03-2022, 04:53 PM

I guess I should have been more clear, I meant as compared to the Cardone which I believe offers 2 of those advantages.

11-25-2022, 06:28 PM	#61
jeepguy1948 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 720	Re: What Master Cylinder Yes, I need to slow down and organize my thoughts when trying to get them in written form. I’m more of a verbal conversation kind of guy and I sometimes get frustrated by the amount of time required for written messages to go back and forth so I cram too much together. Although I have a lot of experience working on cars, and trucks, and Jeeps, I have not had a whole lot of experience on pre WW2 stuff. I am trying to get all this information down on paper so that I can build a notebook with it, I am old enough that my brain doesn’t seem to be able to keep quite so many balls in the air at the same time any more. I think that when you corrected the typos on your drawing the drawing disappeared. It would be a big help if you would re-post that because I want to print it out. Thanks!

11-26-2022, 06:12 AM	#62
glennpm Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Wiscasset, Maine Posts: 1,981	Re: What Master Cylinder Good plan on putting it together in a notebook. I see the drawing I posted fine. I'll send it to as a PM now. Glenn

11-26-2022, 10:12 PM	#63
jeepguy1948 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 720	Re: What Master Cylinder Does Cardone possibly make a remote reservoir conversion kit for the 1923? I have such a set up (in this case Willwood) on my Willys and it works quite well.

11-27-2022, 12:09 PM	#65
jeepguy1948 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 720	Re: What Master Cylinder I appreciate the information Glenn, I won’t be using the battery box because I have relocated the battery to the bed of the truck (in an old tool box)because I really disliked having it under the car. I can use the Cardone without a remote reservoir if necessary.

11-27-2022, 12:39 PM	#66
jeepguy1948 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 720	Re: What Master Cylinder Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Does anybody know of a paint that can stand up to DOT 4 brake fluid? I hate rust!

11-27-2022, 01:03 PM	#67
jeepguy1948 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 720	Re: What Master Cylinder Read all the Mico stuff you sent, very informative! The Mico looks like a wonderful unit, my only concern being that it does not offer a split system to separate front and rear brakes.

11-30-2022, 04:47 PM	#68
jeepguy1948 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 720	Re: What Master Cylinder I called MICO tech support, I was told that MICO makes nothing for an on highway application, turns out that article was written in 1974, neither of the 2 guys referenced in the article is still there, the part number in the article is obsolete. When I pushed the guy he was able to cross reference the old part number to a new one that has the same specs as the old one. He is sending me some drawings for me to look over.

11-30-2022, 04:51 PM	#69
glennpm Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Wiscasset, Maine Posts: 1,981	Re: What Master Cylinder Good on making the call. I attached their latest catalog above so the number should be listed there. Please post the drawings you get from them. Glenn

12-01-2022, 09:54 AM	#70
glennpm Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Wiscasset, Maine Posts: 1,981	Re: What Master Cylinder 03-021-427 1.750 in = N-1 1.125 in = N 1. 44 in stroke

12-02-2022, 01:38 PM	#71
jeepguy1948 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 720	Re: What Master Cylinder If anybody wants to pm me with their email address I will forward the information that I got from MICO and then you could post it. BTW Glenn I have a different part number that has specs the same as the unit in the article (03-020-411) and would be better suited for our application as it has a smaller N bore. Anyway, all that aside, I do not see any advantage to the MICO when compared to the step bore Cardone. I don’t see any mechanical advantage to the MICO vs the Cardone. When you consider that that article was written in 1974, long before the step bore Cardone came along. I believe that essentially the Cardone is using the same technology, possibly they cloned the MICO.

12-02-2022, 02:04 PM	#72
jeepguy1948 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 720	Re: What Master Cylinder Glenn, I’m sorry but I have not been able to see that last edited drawing that you posted. I believe that you posted it on here but I couldn’t see it, and you said that you sent it to me in a pm and I still couldn’t see it. It’s very strange and I can’t explain it but I have had it happen before. I really would like to get it so that I could print it out and put it in my notebook. I have been told not to post my email address on here because undesirables can get it. I will send my email address to you in a pm and hopefully you will be able to email it to me. Glenn, Coopeman, and the rest of you, you have been such a tremendous help to me, I can’t begin to express my thanks and appreciation.

12-02-2022, 03:12 PM	#73
glennpm Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Wiscasset, Maine Posts: 1,981	Re: What Master Cylinder Hey Don, now that I have your email, I'll send it along. Glenn PS You're welcome!

12-03-2022, 07:14 AM	#75
glennpm Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Wiscasset, Maine Posts: 1,981	Re: What Master Cylinder This is a jpg picture of the MC above. Last edited by glennpm; 12-03-2022 at 08:18 AM.

12-03-2022, 01:25 PM	#76
jeepguy1948 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 720	Re: What Master Cylinder Other than the possibility of using a remote fill does anybody see an advantage with using the MICO?

12-03-2022, 01:30 PM	#77
glennpm Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Wiscasset, Maine Posts: 1,981	Re: What Master Cylinder - Small size - Advantages of a stepped bore, i.e., large volume at low foot force. - Reduced pedal travel

12-03-2022, 04:53 PM	#78
jeepguy1948 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 720	Re: What Master Cylinder I guess I should have been more clear, I meant as compared to the Cardone which I believe offers 2 of those advantages.