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11-22-2013, 09:57 AM | #1 |
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'39 pedals in a '35
I am finally getting around to install juice brakes on the ’35. I have the ’39 pedals ready to go on. Need a little advice from the ‘been there, done that’ guys on new holes needed. The unpainted frame is the ’35 and the black primer one is from a ’40 that I have here. I presume that the ’39 & ’40 frames have the same mounting hole configuration. So far, it seems that only one hole could be used to begin the mounting position to drill the other 3 holes and also use the larger opening for proper clearance.
This hole is the lower rear on the '39 bracket, now to be mounted on the outer side of the rail. Will this hole place the pedals in the correct fore & aft position? Appreciate any advice. Robert |
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Re: '39 pedals in a '35
Yeah, there is one common hole that can be used to align the template you make from the later frame. Sorry, I can't remember which one it is but I think that it is self evident as you align your template with the front and rear lightning holes. Obviously you have to modify the hole where the pedal shaft fits through also.
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11-22-2013, 12:55 PM | #3 |
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Re: '39 pedals in a '35
have you got your original pedals??....contact Richard Lacey at the link below....he has a kit that uses your original pedals so you don't have to mess with your frame, etc....good luck....Mike
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11-22-2013, 01:08 PM | #4 |
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Mike in Az....thanks for your input, however, I am not interested in the R. Lacey hookup. I have purchased other parts from him in the past, have all the info you are referring to....he is great to deal with, but I am going the '39 pedal route.. Thanks again.....Robert
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11-22-2013, 01:31 PM | #5 |
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Re: '39 pedals in a '35
Here is how I did my 37 Tudor, I made a template from the 39 pedal assembly , you can see it sitting on frame in photo and the cutout piece, and opened the frame hole to accommodate the bracket the arm is mighty close to the frame when pushed down had to heat and bend to center in the frame Zeke
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That's what I'd do just thinking it through in my head. Mart. |
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Re: '39 pedals in a '35
Thanks Zeke...PA.....great to see photos of your installation. I guess the '37 frame hole configuration is not the same as the '35. I am still at the point where I do not know as to use one hole location on my frame. Attached is a drawing template of the '35 setup. It is viewed from the inside of the channel. The dotted lines & holes are the '35, and the full is the '39 pedals. The lower rear hole is what I assume to be the correct position to place the remaining mods. Thks........Robert....
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Mart.....I have just placed the '39 pedals into the '40 frame...dead match.
Since my template shows the frame center clearance hole of both the '35 & '39, at the same C/L, I am to assume that using the guide hole mentioned, it would be correct....anyone to confirm..??? Thks.......Robert |
11-22-2013, 04:22 PM | #9 |
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Robert, See if you can extend the template to include a feature that appears on both frames _like the countersunk anti-chatter rod holes. If the template matches the known common location and the rearmost hole, then you can use the rearmost hole as a datum.
Again, just trying to think it through logically. Mart. |
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Re: '39 pedals in a '35
Robert - here is a pic of my 39 pedal set in the 35 chassis - note the extension for the MC to position it under the battery cover in the floor for easy servicing just like a 39 - battery was moved to behind the seat in the coupe.
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11-22-2013, 07:14 PM | #11 |
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Re: '39 pedals in a '35
Robert, here's the template that we supply with our pedals, maybe it will help. I'm not sure if the computer image will be "1 to 1" when printed on your computer. If you need us to mail you this template, please let us know.
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11-22-2013, 10:41 PM | #13 |
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Re: '39 pedals in a '35
Thank you ! Bob Drake Repro
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Wow! That's got to be a big help for the folks who are installing '39 pedal assemblies in their early Fords. Thanks for posting that information. I will download that pdf into my keeper files.
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11-23-2013, 09:19 AM | #15 |
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Re: '39 pedals in a '35
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You should find that after you mount the '39 assembly in your '35 your clutch pivot will not align with the throw-out bearing arm on the transmission. You only have two realistic choices at this point to correct the alignment. 1) weld an extension on the '39 to move the pivot to the right (see pictures) or 2) use a '39 transmission arm which has a factory bend (see picture). The problem with the '39 transmission arm is finding one! Of course you can do nothing and run the connecting arm on an angle or bend it. For me, both approaches are at best kind of crude but it is commonly done. Tom |
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Re: '39 pedals in a '35
Thanks for the great input.....and I am now confirmed that the one hole is the guide for the rest. Thank you B. Drake....great instructions....and all of the guys for your helpful comments.
Peter C...glad to hear that your '35 3W is now complete....every detail you have sent me in the past is more than 'Top Notch'....looking forward to seeing it in person. On the dual master, which one did you use....I was going the regular single route, but maybe not. The extension is great for not having another hole in the floor. Robert |
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Flatheadfan...thanks for the arm input. I am not going to be using the stock '35 transmission, but a '39 case and arm, stuffed with L-Z 25T gears. Hoarding parts over the years eventually pays off. many Thanks again.........Robert
PS I'll have to check the distance between the holes in the '39 to the '35 arm, to make sure the clutch throw will not be affected....but....we are not going to start that again for now. ( previous post on the '39 clutch arm and dims on hole centers ) |
11-23-2013, 10:38 AM | #19 |
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Re: '39 pedals in a '35
Don't know the condition of your pedal assembly, but after getting the same swap almost finished I realized that the worn pedal shaft bushings let the arms "wander" in the floor slots. I should have done the shaft bushing repair first, but the alignment was luckily right on, front to back, using the threaded hole in the lower corner of the pedal assembly's mounting bracket as the common one. The pedals also needed some slight bending but that's in a '36 pickup frame...Good luck!- Chris
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Aw, c'mon Robert.......that was a hoot! DD
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11-23-2013, 02:43 PM | #22 |
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DD....it was, wasn't it!!
Peter C....I always heard that it came from a Mustang...oh well. a Ford is a Ford. Thks |
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11-25-2013, 10:51 AM | #23 |
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Just an update on the '39 pedal installation;
Yes, using the lower rear hole is the correct position. The B Drake frame hole cut-out is similar to the original Ford, except it's a little larger. As seen in my earlier supplied sketch, Ford has a dimple cut on the lower end as opposed to a complete cut-out. I guess they wanted to leave as much of the frame material as possible...I did the same. Instead of fooling around with templates and center punches, which somehow never get accurate when working crawling on the floor under the car, I used a 90 degree angle drill with the proper drill bit size to match the pedal mount. Tighten the one locating bolt, center the mount and drill...easy. As for pedal alignment and clearances, it fits 99% perfect. I placed the original metal floor pan ( photo ) and as can be seen, no mods are necessary. It's only off a tad. On another matter, I did have to cut out some metal on the floor pan to clear the steering shaft...because, I installed a '37 steering box and frame mount. This set-up lowers the box and on the good side, gives more clearance for headers. Thanks all for you help.....hopefully others can use this info....Robert |
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Nice job, Robert.
On my 40 there was a short length of metal channel bolted along the bottom of the left x-member rail. I suppose it was to add a little strength to the frame due to the bigger cut out for the pedals. Anyone else familiar with what I can remember? It was about 10 inches long, 2" wide and about 5/8" deep, and had 4 bolts holding it in place. Mart. |
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My '40 has the piece Mart described. It has a clamp that attaches from the bottom to hold the speedo cable and emergency brake cable in place.
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Mine was on a coupe - I don't have it any more, unfortunately. Are there 4 5/16" holes
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Isn't the purpose of the described re-enforcement to beef up the area under the equalizer shaft used on the '40? A '39 with the direct connection to the throw out bearing shaft does not need that frame part.
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