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09-20-2015, 03:59 PM | #1 |
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Help starter issues
Why am I having so many problems with my starter. I am running 12V. I connected the ground wire to the starter button correctly but using a 6V starter and 6V reproduction solenoid after a couple of starts the solenoid stuck while the engine started and I frantically taped the solenoid to stop the starter turning. This was on inital start up. Then every two or three times the same thing happened.
I changed solenoids (another repro) same thing happens, not as often but enough so I was afraid to start it with the button and opened the hood and pushed the button on the solenoid. I decided (why? ) things would be better with a new 12V starter and 12V solenoid but found out the new solenoid needed a positive wire instead of making ground to work. So back in with the 6V solenoid. worked great all day yesterday put 100 miles on the truck, happy as a clam, this moring it stuck and by the time I hit it, I ruined the new style bendix on the 12V starter. I had a new ring gear on the flywheel put on before I put it all together. What is going on? anybody have a similar problem? and how do I go about solving this? Thanks for any help. |
09-20-2015, 04:14 PM | #2 |
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Re: Help starter issues
Go back to 6V, clean all connections well, use heavy cables and live happily ever after. 6V worked well for 80 years. Why did you think changing to 12V would improve things?
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09-20-2015, 04:27 PM | #3 |
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Re: Help starter issues
Mainly because of the headlights, I would change back now Lawson but am not sure that would fix my problem.
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09-20-2015, 04:34 PM | #4 |
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Re: Help starter issues
I changed over to 12v for better lights as well and the 6v starter hit so hard that I was afraid it would crap out at the most inopportune time so I picked up a 12v mini race starter off of fleabay and am VERY happy with it.
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09-20-2015, 04:45 PM | #5 |
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Re: Help starter issues
I had that happen to me. I over tighted the nuts on the solinoid and when I hit the starter button the solinoid would not dis-engage the starter. Backed off the nut a wee bit and it worked properly.
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09-20-2015, 04:47 PM | #6 |
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Lawson did bring up a valid point though, if your need for 12 volts is brighter head lights, good clean connections and grounds is the real fix for this. You can also get much brighter bulbs for 6 volts other than the standard fit bulbs, halogen and such. Plenty on here are running 6 volts and are happy. Martin. |
09-20-2015, 05:04 PM | #7 |
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I am real happy with my 6V system. I have converted to sealed beams which are far better than the old bub/reflector setup. I am using 40 big truck headlight rims and the uninitiated can not tell they are not stock.
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09-20-2015, 05:26 PM | #8 |
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Re: Help starter issues
I would guess your bottom is sticking as said you would be better wit 12volt sel and 2 wire bottom/ a key start
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09-20-2015, 06:03 PM | #9 |
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Re: Help starter issues
A Standard SS-587 or Napa ST56 should work with your original start button.
They are circuit #2 insulated base 12V solenoids. Bob |
09-20-2015, 06:21 PM | #10 |
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As far as the 6 V system, I used it on my 36 and my model A and have no problems with it, it worked well and still does in the A. On the 40 I have a much more stout motor, and wanted to be able to use a stero at some point so I went 12V with an Optimum battery. I like the idea of a relay with the stock button, and maybe i am distorting the case on the soleniod, Adielo was your issue with the mounting bolts or the nuts for the cables? I would rather use the metal can soleniod since they look correct but I just put a new bendix (improved old style) and am afraid it will stick again. Was there a differance in flywheels or tooth count that would get me in trouble?
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09-20-2015, 06:23 PM | #11 |
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Re: Help starter issues
Bob C do the soleniods you mention need a positive wire to operate or are you saying the ground wire as per the six volt system will work?
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09-20-2015, 06:59 PM | #12 |
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They need a ground to energize them, see circuit #2 in the picture.
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09-20-2015, 07:02 PM | #13 |
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The 6 volt selinode coil inside is for 6 volts when putting 12 volts you double the current causing it to heat up and stick use a 12 volt selinode
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09-20-2015, 08:06 PM | #14 |
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Thanks Bob C I'll get one as soon as I can.
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09-21-2015, 01:17 PM | #15 |
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Bobc, thanks for that info, learnt something.
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09-21-2015, 01:37 PM | #16 |
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Re: Help starter issues
A solenoid as in circuit 4 must be available at any store.
Then just connect one of the coil post to the battery post and youre good to go. |
09-21-2015, 01:47 PM | #17 |
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Re: Help starter issues
The Cole Hersee 12V Insulated Intermittent Duty SPST Solenoid 24046 features a copper contacts and terminals. ~$22.00
PRODUCT SPECIFICATIONS:
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09-21-2015, 03:05 PM | #18 |
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Where did you find it for $22, that's a really good price.
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09-21-2015, 03:08 PM | #19 |
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JSeery, thanks again, One of these days I am going to have to buy you a beer. Jon
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09-21-2015, 03:32 PM | #20 |
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I learned that years ago, those 6 volt selinode won't stand 12 for long, they will stick and you'll go ape until you get it unstuck, use a 12 sel. and a 2 post push button, nothing to it. Walt
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