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10-30-2020, 09:04 AM | #1 |
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Wanted to give folks a heads up, Snyder's is out of stock on the laminated timing gear and also the SS water pipe they source from Aries; stock is expected back in "8-12 weeks."
Also had two vendors report out of stock on the copper water outlet gasket (I know, just use RTV). If you've had any other unexpected out-of-stock reports, post it here. |
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My bank account is "out of stock"
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Interiors - Car Touch and Classtique - exceptionally long lead times
Berts Carbs - Can be months lead time dependent on demand, when ordering make sure to ask 1st |
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The 28 29 instrument panel light.
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I know Bratton's has the laminated timing gears on the shelf.
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10-30-2020, 02:38 PM | #9 |
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Mike's also had them in stock. Most of these items will be in-stock somewhere, but I've placed several orders in the last week and for each one I got a call back from the vendor saying X or Y item was out of stock and wouldn't be in for a while – so then I had to hunt around, put another order together, etc. Not saying it's a crisis, just saying it's a good idea these days to call ahead and make sure key items are in stock before you build an order.
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Many of the formerly available resto parts are going by the wayside
The economic production quantities versus demand and those that can/will produce is waning greatly. Also individual craftsmen are aging and retiring If you need it and it’s a good part buy it now...or buy 2! It may not be around in 2 years |
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That would be another fun thread: "great repro parts you can't buy anymore." No fair listing parts that have never been available as quality reproductions – has to be something that you used to be able to buy.
Examples I can think of: good transmission bearings. Those clear distributor caps (though I heard they weren't very durable). All the stuff Howell's used to sell. |
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Another aspect to this thread is "Parts that were never available but should have been" Where to begin!? For our RHD cars, there is a multitude of parts that have never been available from the vendors, especially the big ones. I'll try to list a few. Clutch and brake pedals, the shaft on which they mount and bushes for them, the accelerator pedal and linkages, inlet manifold, the bell crank and rods to work the distributor timing, ready to go wiring looms, bell housings, steering arms, pitman arms, drag link, brake cross shaft, steering column support bracket, the bracket that bolts to the back of the block for the starter button to starter motor linkage to start with. Also sometimes not available, worm and sector for either 7 tooth or 2 tooth steering boxes.
There will be others I have missed. We have to improvise, modify, repair and recycle old, 90+ year old parts you guys would throw out without a thought.
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Hey get your own thread.
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one of the lessons to be learned is check with more than one supplier!
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As a supplier, I can tell you many items not available, but not for the reasons some of you think. Mostly- too much demand. The pandemic sent so many people home working on their cars rather then doing other things .Secondly, many of the machine shops both in the USA and abroad were closed for weeks due to pandemic, but we were still buying parts, so now they are way behind making parts. Thirdly, several manufacturers of Model A parts either died, got sick, or closed up and retired. Demand is there for the parts, but Making them is the hard part.
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Same with car parts. Metal suppliers, foundries, machinists, platers, retailers.... each one of those has their own needs and supply chains! Platers need their chemicals, etc. |
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If you aren't manufacturing things, you have no idea how difficult it is to get what you need to do the job, and how unavailable qualified people are to help with the never-ending demand. People have been conditioned to expect what they want in increasingly ridiculous and shorter amounts of time all the while oblivious to what goes in to getting what they want made. There are many reasons, as some have pointed out, for supply chain woes. Once weeks, and even months, of delays are forced upon us it is impossible to make up that time. Yet, the orders never slow. During this Covid thing I actually got busier than I could stand, as have others I know. Still, people act as though manufacturers should be able to cater to their timelines. Manufacturing is a different world than the world in which most people live.
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so it appears there is plenty of opportunity now to bring manufacturing back home...........
demand is there, albeit maybe not the funds to start a new enterprise.......... |
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The problem has never been with demand. What drives manufacturing is capability and cost, with an emphasis on the latter. If a company can pay 20% of what it would pay for labor in another country vs. the U.S., guess where it is going to manufacture? That's an oversimplification, but the bottom line.
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Demand.......is a big problem on some items
I recently inquired about some rubber mats on V8; not available. The prime supplier told me the order quantity had to be 400 units (from overseas, I suppose) And they hadn’t sold 400 units in 15 years. Likely formerly made domestically and 100 units?? I can go on about things that have been dropped by lack of demand. Also there are things needed that were formerly made that successor management found unprofitable or not in their new business dynamic. Many former manufacturers had interest in the hobby other than product and profit |
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Found out that upper radiator hose may be out of stock-for awhile. Went to NAPA and got some generic hose that will work. Be prepared for sticker shock.
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Whoa...dont bring Classitique into this Mike does great work and is a man of his word,he hit the delivery date he gave me dead on...As a provider of an assembled product to order its a mark of their reputation that they have a backlog..its also a sign when they perform as promised.
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Have you tried buying a Script Coil or Schrader valve stem parts lately?
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Update to this thread: Stewart-Warner may have discontinued their Motor Minder color-coded vacuum gauge. At any rate you can't buy one new right now. Supplies are also hard to come by of their other vacuum gauges, not sure whether these have all been formally discontinued. Units are still available NOS or used on eBay and a couple of non-automotive ecommerce sites.
A niche product, I know, but might be important to someone. |
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Last week I tried to buy a rebuilt 29 Gemmer steering box. Snyders, Brattons and Berts all said they were out and wouldn't expect any until Jan or Feb.
Got an estimate for a storm damaged garage door 3 weeks ago and was told that Raynor in Dixon, Il. is 1-2 months behind due to supply chain hold ups. They can't get the materials needed to build the doors in the first place. U.S. made, still slow. Draw your own conclusions. |
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Schrader valve stem parts- hard to find. Script coils- not available.
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It’s not only Model A parts. It’s in every part of the manufacturing industry from toilets to garage doors to dishwashers? We are not unique !
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How about Barton's in Md?
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The gist of my post had more to do with two things 1. A supply/demand curve in a shrinking market place(demand) 2. The change in business dynamics. Some items are no longer available. An example is standard phaeton top irons. Company making them outgrew making low demand items. China won’t make onesies and twozies of anything. At one time the show quality 31 running boards were off the market. When they came back the price was 3x So if facts cause some rush to the store to hoard.....well so be it. The market on a lot of this is minuscule in some cases. Facts are facts |
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we've discussed hoarding of original parts before but hoarding of repro parts is a new one.
I suppose the number of Model "A"s the individual owns is a factor. isn't there a tv show about hoarders? America is rampant with cat hoarders. |
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Is this the same type of Cat Houses that Wayne is thinking of??
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some cultures eatem!
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Can't find a freezer to put them in!
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Some cultures?
Where do u eat chili?..down here in the south it’s legal to eat roadkill! Don’t know if the law specifies! OMG |
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I don’t know about “down under” but here in the States you can adopt then and your mouse and rat problems are solved. All you have to do is feed them in the morning and evening and they’ll hang around.
Mine were outside cats. I never had a problem with mice in the garage because I put my cats in the garage at night. I let them out when I went to work in the morning and they took care of the critters outside including the jack rabbits and gophers. We lost a couple to coyotes but that’s the food chain at work. David Serrano |
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Just tried to order window crank handles from Snyder. They have 6-8 week back order for them.
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I am being told by my shipper that the US economy is in such a mess after COVID was allowed to run rampant that there are HUGE delays getting anything out of the country. There is not enough being produced to fill ships. There is also a worldwide shortage of empty containers. Combine those with and the fact that ships will not sail without a full load and it's not hard to see why I'm still waiting for a parcel that was delivered to his warehouse in late July.
China is sending ships to collect empty containers so they can export stuff in an effort to keep something happening. Their own economic advisors describe their economic situation as "dire". IMO, It's going to take longer than we would like for this to settle down to some form of normality.
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I get my instrument panel light from NAPA. I buy the aviation grade bulb, and it has a higher candlepower. It lasts a long time too. Usually they have it in a day or two.
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The modern head gaskets for Hi-comp heads are becoming difficult to get also.
I'm ordering two just so I have one on the shelf.
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I'm sorry, I do not
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Gonna be fun times at your estate sale
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I needed a set of the special clamps that attach the front license plate to the headlight bar. Ordered from Mac's/Eckler in mid-December. B/O until early January. Then late February. Then May. (But did they tell me? No, I had to dig through their website to find out from the order status.) To hell with that. Ordered from Bert's, couple of days later I had them, and quicker shipping from Colorado to California than Florida to California. Hard to beat availability and service.
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The one in the foreground has a Model B head, is it a B engine?
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Glad to see they are under roof, not out in a field like some pics I've seen.
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I recently tried to find an engine for rebuild but there was noting to be had. I finally gave up and went another route.
Where did you say those engines are?
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The 3-piece control rod set is back-ordered 4-6 weeks at all vendors.
In good news, the condenser plug seems to be back in stock. Last edited by alexiskai; 05-26-2021 at 01:21 PM. |
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