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Step-down · 08-19-2018, 03:01 PM

Frank West I’ve used this part and it works but it’s a bandade

Cool 33 · 08-19-2018, 03:19 PM

I've always heard this is a deluxe transmission with the auto-neutral feature. Just saying...

35fordtn · 08-19-2018, 04:56 PM

Please understand that the transmission he has is a early type.. All these "band-aid" fixes are relative to the later 39-up transmission when refering to the plungers and spring between the shift rails. The Early 32-37 transmissions had ONLY the plungers and spring between the rail. So..... the part he shows in post #20 is NOT a band aid fix but rather a stock replacement part for the 32-37 transmission. I am betting money this is not his issue..

FrankWest · 08-19-2018, 07:54 PM

if my original spring has fractured this replacement may be just what I need. Like I said,
When I first got my car running it was not jumping out of and gears, so maybe with the operation of the gear changer work hardened 80 years old springs fractured? I is worth a shot, as long as I can get at the original part. I assume removing the transmission floor cover will allow me access.

35fordtn · 08-19-2018, 09:14 PM

While it is a possible cause, I’ve never seen one break. You’ll need to remove the whole shifter assembly and remove the 2-3 shift fork and rail to replace. You’ll also need a 3/8” freeze plug to replace the one you’ll remove to replace the detent..

Karl · 08-20-2018, 02:15 AM

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Frank this is the fix I used -Karl

FrankWest · 08-20-2018, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Karl

Frank this is the fix I used -Karl

WOW! what great info...Does this mean that the basic design was flawed?

rotorwrench · 08-20-2018, 01:01 PM

The key word is basic. The 32 thru 35 transmissions were a lot better than the Model A with no synchro at all. The single detent vertical tower shift top came along in 1936 with other transmission improvements. The double detent type tower came along in 1938 or so. The side shifters from 40 thru 48 can also wear to the point they will pop out of gear. The flaw in all equipment is that they all wear out eventually. Some just wear out quicker than others.

FrankWest · 08-21-2018, 06:02 AM

Thanks.....You are right..everything wears, especially 85 year old cars...These engines and transmission are very well made considering they we built as a cheap form of transportation for the masses.

FrankWest · 07-06-2022, 11:57 AM

Problem solved.....No more slipping out of gear....
What happened?
I drained transmission fluid and replace with Marvel Mystery Oil....
Drove only a couple of miles,, Drained the Marvel Mystery Oil.
Replaced new transmission/gear oil.
No more popping out of gear.
Did the MMO clean the trans so that it would operate properly..Maybe magic.??

cas3 · 07-06-2022, 12:16 PM

Brace yourself Frank, you might get some feedback on this one !

DavidG · 07-06-2022, 02:05 PM

Like Douglas MacArthur, it shall return.

Bored&Stroked · 07-06-2022, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidG

Like Douglas MacArthur, it shall return.

That would be my best guess as well . . .

FrankWest · 07-06-2022, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bored&Stroked

That would be my best guess as well . . .

Thanks

FrankWest · 07-06-2022, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by cas3

Brace yourself Frank, you might get some feedback on this one !

Of course.
When I first bought my car, people on this forum told me not to run it but take the engine all apart first to inspect it.
It will not post anymore on here.
I just tried to tell of a simple possible fix.''
Don\t worry I will not post anymore on here

cas3 · 07-06-2022, 03:54 PM

Well geez Frank, can't a guy put some humor in here without rocking the boat ? I certainly meant no insult, only some humor. Please don't run off, I always enjoy your adventures with your 33

FrankWest · 07-06-2022, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidG

Like Douglas MacArthur, it shall return.

how do you know?

FrankWest · 07-06-2022, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bored&Stroked

That would be my best guess as well . . .

How do you know?

DavidG · 07-06-2022, 05:41 PM

Because it is a common, wear-related occurrence and eventually happens to just about all of them. Search this forum and you will find that you are not the first to experience 2nd gear pop-out on deceleration.

Bored&Stroked · 07-06-2022, 06:06 PM

The reason I know is that I've spent countless hours rebuilding these transmissions - even going so far as to make my own cluster shafts, adding special "hard stops" on the shift rails, using a precision surface grinder to tune clearances, etc..

I've had multiple transmissions with the same problem you're experiencing -- so I fix them and if they are ran for a few years and abused (I'm hard on them), then they'll be back in this situation at a later date.

The "fix" is complicated in that it involves trying to fix all the compounded "slop" in the fitment of the various pieces -- shims, bearings, shafts, etc.. I try to achieve the tightest clearances possible (on the low end of every spec) - and that usually works . . . at least for awhile. If we all had a supply of NOS parts, it would be a lot easier . . . but most of those supplies have dried up over the years.

So, not trying to deliver bad news to you - just trying to be honest (based on the last 45 years of screwing with these transmissions).

Best of luck - please stay around!
B&S

08-19-2018, 03:01 PM	#21
Step-down Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Hat City (Danbury CT) Posts: 647	Re: slipping out of 2nd gear Frank West I’ve used this part and it works but it’s a bandade __________________ "I can't cry as long as I know the Lord has risen "

08-19-2018, 03:19 PM	#22
Cool 33 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Forney, Tex. Posts: 143	Re: slipping out of 2nd gear I've always heard this is a deluxe transmission with the auto-neutral feature. Just saying...

08-19-2018, 04:56 PM	#23
35fordtn Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: McMinnville, TN Posts: 2,327	Re: slipping out of 2nd gear Please understand that the transmission he has is a early type.. All these "band-aid" fixes are relative to the later 39-up transmission when refering to the plungers and spring between the shift rails. The Early 32-37 transmissions had ONLY the plungers and spring between the rail. So..... the part he shows in post #20 is NOT a band aid fix but rather a stock replacement part for the 32-37 transmission. I am betting money this is not his issue..

08-19-2018, 07:54 PM	#24
FrankWest Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 3,005	Re: slipping out of 2nd gear if my original spring has fractured this replacement may be just what I need. Like I said, When I first got my car running it was not jumping out of and gears, so maybe with the operation of the gear changer work hardened 80 years old springs fractured? I is worth a shot, as long as I can get at the original part. I assume removing the transmission floor cover will allow me access.

08-19-2018, 09:14 PM	#25
35fordtn Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: McMinnville, TN Posts: 2,327	Re: slipping out of 2nd gear While it is a possible cause, I’ve never seen one break. You’ll need to remove the whole shifter assembly and remove the 2-3 shift fork and rail to replace. You’ll also need a 3/8” freeze plug to replace the one you’ll remove to replace the detent..

08-20-2018, 01:01 PM	#28
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 16,436	Re: slipping out of 2nd gear The key word is basic. The 32 thru 35 transmissions were a lot better than the Model A with no synchro at all. The single detent vertical tower shift top came along in 1936 with other transmission improvements. The double detent type tower came along in 1938 or so. The side shifters from 40 thru 48 can also wear to the point they will pop out of gear. The flaw in all equipment is that they all wear out eventually. Some just wear out quicker than others.

08-21-2018, 06:02 AM	#29
FrankWest Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 3,005	Re: slipping out of 2nd gear Thanks.....You are right..everything wears, especially 85 year old cars...These engines and transmission are very well made considering they we built as a cheap form of transportation for the masses.

07-06-2022, 11:57 AM	#30
FrankWest Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 3,005	Re: slipping out of 2nd gear Problem solved.....No more slipping out of gear.... What happened? I drained transmission fluid and replace with Marvel Mystery Oil.... Drove only a couple of miles,, Drained the Marvel Mystery Oil. Replaced new transmission/gear oil. No more popping out of gear. Did the MMO clean the trans so that it would operate properly..Maybe magic.??

07-06-2022, 12:16 PM	#31
cas3 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: sw minnesota Posts: 4,577	Re: slipping out of 2nd gear Brace yourself Frank, you might get some feedback on this one !

07-06-2022, 02:05 PM	#32
DavidG Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: southeastern Michigan Posts: 10,101	Re: slipping out of 2nd gear Like Douglas MacArthur, it shall return.

07-06-2022, 03:54 PM	#36
cas3 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: sw minnesota Posts: 4,577	Re: slipping out of 2nd gear Well geez Frank, can't a guy put some humor in here without rocking the boat ? I certainly meant no insult, only some humor. Please don't run off, I always enjoy your adventures with your 33

07-06-2022, 05:41 PM	#39
DavidG Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: southeastern Michigan Posts: 10,101	Re: slipping out of 2nd gear Because it is a common, wear-related occurrence and eventually happens to just about all of them. Search this forum and you will find that you are not the first to experience 2nd gear pop-out on deceleration.

07-06-2022, 06:06 PM	#40
Bored&Stroked Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 5,068	Re: slipping out of 2nd gear The reason I know is that I've spent countless hours rebuilding these transmissions - even going so far as to make my own cluster shafts, adding special "hard stops" on the shift rails, using a precision surface grinder to tune clearances, etc.. I've had multiple transmissions with the same problem you're experiencing -- so I fix them and if they are ran for a few years and abused (I'm hard on them), then they'll be back in this situation at a later date. The "fix" is complicated in that it involves trying to fix all the compounded "slop" in the fitment of the various pieces -- shims, bearings, shafts, etc.. I try to achieve the tightest clearances possible (on the low end of every spec) - and that usually works . . . at least for awhile. If we all had a supply of NOS parts, it would be a lot easier . . . but most of those supplies have dried up over the years. So, not trying to deliver bad news to you - just trying to be honest (based on the last 45 years of screwing with these transmissions). Best of luck - please stay around! B&S