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Old 09-05-2011, 09:54 AM   #1
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Default The Lee Roy Hartung Collection Auction = Chicago

Just read about this upcoming auction on the AACA Forum, have any of you Model A guys seen the collection? Sure looks like some fine cars are in there. I'm going to double my Lotto ticket buying this month.
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Wow that looks like it will be an interesting sale.
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Thos one would be interesting too.
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I have seen this collection but have been waiting to hear the outcome of it.

Any more info?

He had a '31 AA Paddy Wagon originally used by the Chicago Police Department.

Here are some youtube videos put up a few weeks ago that try to show how much stuff is there. This is one of those places where you can spend three days and STILL not see everything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGBJ962eRGc
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQZbDC4BakU

Several motorcycles from the 1900's and teens. 30+ Model A's. Crazy cars. Supposedly half a million license plates. The place is just amazing.
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Thank you WTSHNN ! Took all three tours, guess Lee was the roll model for a lot of us. The sad thing is a life time collection of things he loved with turn into a pile of cash, I really hope it goes to someone that appreciates it.
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WTSHNN .............................
Thanks for posting that ! That looks like a very good sale.
The vehicles, probably, will not go for a bargin price, but, I bet the smaller collectibles will.
It's actually good that a hoard, like this, will be broken up and will be owned by owners, who will restore them and put them back on the road.
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Unbelievable,!! Thanks for the video's..
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Thanks for posting! No kidding, I got to tripple up on my lottery ticket purchasing too!!! What do you guys think this would sell for as a lot??
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Great question, we could start another thread guessing what the total take will be on the collection sale. It is one mans lifetime collection of parts and vehicles he loved, so they were priceless to him.
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After watching this all I can say is ho-lee-cow. Any my wife acustes me of keeping too much stuff.
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Old 09-05-2011, 03:58 PM   #11
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HE WHO DIES WITH THE "MOST TOYS "WINS" He is up there on the list! HOLY %$#@. Anyone needing a kidney???? I just might have one for sale ... AA Paddy wagon is very neat... to own.... Steve S. are you coming out of the clouds yet over the old Motorcycle's ??? A couple of 33/34 Fords there too! Guess we can all say {boys there still out there!} and Thank You Mr. Hartung...for saving the stuff. where ever you are...
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Lee Roy Hartung collection....the heck with the car and motorcycle stuff !!! did ya'll see the old stoves and lamps and dolls and pottery and glassware and....... LOL
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RM Auctions website does not list this auction yet, but they have a link to receive a free weekly email on coming events.
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I didnt think any thing like this was still around. Looks like he has every thing from A to Z
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Sadly, most of the cars are in less than ideal shape. They have spent the past 3(?) decades in an unheated pole barn type enclosure with a dirt/crushed stone floor. Every few years the place would flood and the water would be up over the running boards on some of them. If you look, you see that a lot of the cars appear to be low in the back and high in the front; that is because they have sunk into the ground.

However, there is still some amazing stuff there. There are rumors of him having trailers full of parts. He once told me he has a property in Wisconsin that had 40+ pre-war Indians and dozens of Model T's.

Another rumor is that the entire collection could have been bought while he was living for an easy million. I don't think he'd ever do that. His wife and daughter both died years ago and the museum was not only his thing but it was also a way to get people to come visit him. He had a story for every single thing he had and could tell you where he got it from. You asked "do you have xyz..." he'd wander over to the other side of the barn and sure enough, there it was.

Was truly an amazing collection. I guess it still is.
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Thanks Tim, did anyone take the time to tape or write all that info down? Not knowing the history of all that stuff is a real loss. If he has no family left who will benefit from this sale?
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WTF!!! That is unreal!!! I must see the sale, once in a lifetime opportunity!!!! I'm in in shock after the videos, thanks
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I keep wondering what the neighborhood looks like, is it inside the city limits or out in the country. Were are we going to park all the trucks & trailers during the auction? How many weeks will the auction run?
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I'll take my chance with the water up to the running boards.They look a hell better then what some of us are finding today..1933/34 Fords and they look to be rag tops. yummy//
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Pete, this is an unbelievable pile. Not only A's but early V8's. The m/c stuff is tremendous. I'm going for the Henderson parts that are buried.
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I thought you would go for those three coast guard cutter models
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I keep wondering what the neighborhood looks like, is it inside the city limits or out in the country. Were are we going to park all the trucks & trailers during the auction? How many weeks will the auction run?
Do a google maps search of the place... 3623 Westlake Glenview, IL 60025

It is most definitely suburbs. I believe the museum is located on his family's farm land that was slowly annexed away by the town or village.
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I've got to lay down. My head is spinning and I feel a bit queezy. Brain overload.
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What is the car with the two grills? I've never seen anything like that. Also looks like there is an ad for it too.

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November 3 - 5. In Glenview, IL a Northern suburb of Chicago.
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Here is a whole set of pictures from a Harley Club that visited some years ago. The emphasis is on Motorcycles but you get the point...
http://www.harley-davidson-hangout.c...-location.html


1912 Indian on the back of a 30/31 Pickup...

As for the dual-grill Lincoln, here is some information about it from Hemmings.

http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2...ellow-machine/


It is going to be a truly remarkable auction. Hope it doesn't rain!
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Im Thinking...would be a trip of a lifetime. I wonder if there a campground near by that would still be open?
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Here is a whole set of pictures from a Harley Club that visited some years ago. The emphasis is on Motorcycles but you get the point...
http://www.harley-davidson-hangout.c...-location.html


1912 Indian on the back of a 30/31 Pickup...

As for the dual-grill Lincoln, here is some information about it from Hemmings.

http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2...ellow-machine/


It is going to be a truly remarkable auction. Hope it doesn't rain!
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What's the story on the dual grill car? I've never heard of such a thing, and it sure is odd looking. It could make any sober guy think he was drunk.
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Someone posted these shots in the AACA forum, a lot of the A's are shown here. But what is really cool is how your eye at first focuses on whatever the center piece of the picture is, a car, motorcycle, whatever and then is distracted by the stuff piled around, in and on the item. http://www.flickr.com/photos/6728458...7627483956753/

Wick: Can't help you with campgrounds in that area. I'm a Southsider and that place is way up on the Northside. I'm already planning on attending the auction and probably going to commute from home as it is about an hour drive for me.

Can you tell I'm excited?
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I didnt think any thing like this was still around. Looks like he has every thing from A to Z
Did not see the kitchen sink? Everything but. I was disapointed! Wow what a collection.
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Link to auction website:

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Question: Will Hershey see a lot of great stuff for sale by guys trying to raise funds for this auction? Thanks fopr all the additional photo links, saw two more items I'd love to own.
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Here are some youtube videos put up a few weeks ago that try to show how much stuff is there. This is one of those places where you can spend three days and STILL not see everything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGBJ962eRGc

I wonder if his ashes are in that box at the very begining of this video. If it were me, and I had a collection like that, I'd have my ashes put in a blower and spread all over everything.lol. Yep, buy my stuff and you have to take a little bit of me along for the ride.
I've been in hundreds of antique shops & crawled around in the most disgusting holes on earth looking for STUFF and all I had to do was make one trip to this place to see most everything I could ever want to see. Thanks for the post.
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I wonder if his ashes are in that box at the very begining of this video.
Yup, and you're required to touch it before you go in...
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Going to miss the auction, will me on vacation in Spain. If I canceled my trip I still would not be able to attend as it would be hard to get there after my dear wife broke both of my arms and leggs! lol
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Yikes! like going to Hershey, but without all the walking.......

am planning to visit my daughter in northern OH around that time.
very tempting to cruise over there and have a look. sort of like Harrah's collection, not too many opportunities to see something like this.....
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That is a very fitting request to honor a guy that spent a lifetime collecting all that great stuff. I really hope I can get there. Bob
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Does anybody know if the museum is still open?
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Everyday that I wake up there is more information coming to light.

Hemmings' Blog posted a short story which included the attached picture; a sign that stood at the entrance to the museum listing the cars on display.

So, whilst drinking my morning coffee, I went through and typed out all of the cars, 81 total including 39 Model A's. There are still a bunch of little things that I can't make out, those are mainly the motorcycles and bikes. Also; these are only the cars/trucks inside the building. He has a lot more scattered elsewhere.



? marks indicate I can't decipher the sign.

Top Row, Left to Right
Horse Drawn Sleigh
1959 Edsel four door sedan
1941 Lincoln Zepher 12 Cylinder Continental
1936 Lincoln custom twin nose sedan Zepher
1927 Henney Limousine Four Door
1928 Model A One ton truck w/??? Rear end
1931 Model A City of Chicago Paddy Wagon
1937 Pontiac Four door sedan

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1909 Model T ??? Body
1940 Ford Deluxe Coupe
1937 Ford Two Door
1941 Ford Four Door
1938 Ford Two Door
1935 Ford SW Coupe
1934 Ford Phaeton
1932 Ford Two Door (??)
1932 Ford Two Door (??)
1932 Essex Terraplane
1924 Model T Four Door
1914 Model T Touring
1 Model T Touring
1916 Model T Center Door
1928 Model A Two Door
1931 Model A Sport Coupe
1930 Model A Coupe
1931 Model A Cabriolet
1928 Model A Phaeton
A/T Model A/T Touring [I believe this is an A body on a T chassis]
1931 Model A Roadster
???
19?9 Popcorn Wagon

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1949 Veritas Roadster Convertible
1926 Hertz Touring
1924 Model T "C" Cab
1940 Mercury Deluxe Conv
1936 Ford Cabriolet
1947 Crosley Station Wagon
1931 Model A ???(1911 Pope, 1901 Wagner, 1902 "FN", 1928 Henderson)
1929 MOdel A Couple (Blk)
1934 Armstrong Sidelle
1924 Model T Peddler's Wagon
1928 Model A Special Coupe
1916 Model T Police Car
1959 Fiat Spyder

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1958 Cadillac Eureka Hearse
1933 Ford Model C Truck
1931 Model A 1 1/2 Ton Stake Truck
1922 Studebaker Truck
1930 Model A Truck (Flatbed)
1926 Model T Two Door Sedan
1915 Model T Touring
1937 Rolls Royce Alumninum Body
1959 Bentley Four Door Sedan
1934 Sunbeam Talbot Four Door Sedan
1932 Worthington Tractor
1950 Edwards Roadster

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1929 Model A Roadster Pickup
1930 Model A Four Door
1930 Model A Fire Dept Truck
1931 Model A Slantwindshield Four Door
1930 Model A Cabriolet
1928 Model A Four Door
1930 Model A Two Door
1931 Model A Coupe
1930 Model A Four Door
1928 Model A Two Door
1929 Model A Roadster Pickup
1931 Model A Four Door
1931 Model A Four Door
1931 Model A Victoria
1930 Model A Coupe
1931 Model A Pickup
1931 Model A SW Four Door
1930 Model A Coupe
1928 Model A Sport Coupe
1930 Model A Pickup
1931 Model A Panel Delivery
1931 Model A Slant Windshield Cabriolet
1930 Model A Four Door
1931 Model A Two Door
1929 Model A Phaeton

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GOOD NEWS! You can bid on this stuff over the internet -- From Spain if necessary!
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Everyday that I wake up there is more information coming to light.

Hemmings' Blog posted a short story which included the attached picture; a sign that stood at the entrance to the museum listing the cars on display.

So, whilst drinking my morning coffee, I went through and typed out all of the cars, 81 total including 39 Model A's. There are still a bunch of little things that I can't make out, those are mainly the motorcycles and bikes. Also; these are only the cars/trucks inside the building. He has a lot more scattered elsewhere.

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Hey Tim, thanks for working up that list I was trying to do the same thing. I wonder if that Veritas was the car they begged him to display at Pebble Beach? Looks like it would be a ton of work just to get one car out of there.
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I have known Lee for over forty years. His collection is amazing and will make for an interesting auction! I know there are 3 Model A bodies in excellent condition as my brother looked at them a couple of weeks ago. Bring Money it will not go cheap but it will be a great auction,
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Looks like it would be a ton of work just to get one car out of there.
It is going to be an interesting auction to say the least.

If they hold it on his property, there is really no where to park the bidders (as I anticipate a lot of them). They could bring the cars outside and sit them out there but not sure how that will work too well.

The AA Paddy Wagon is what I'm interested in and it is way in the back. So if they do sell in the order they pull things out, it will be one of the last.

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Nope, that is how awesome this collection is, he had a '31 AA prototype 10 years before it came out!!!

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he told me that leno offered him a cool mill for the twin grill lincoln...or maybe it was boston blackies car.. but anyway. leno said he would hire a helicopter to lift it out of its slumber palce and patch the roof. he told leno to piss off that you would have the car but he would have a leaking roof.
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Where did all these cars come from? Being here in the area cars are beat and worn in very short order. Just wondering.
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he was a junk man
chicago to milwaukee
i can't believe know one has mentioned the 32 roadster with 1400 miles on it
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Still trying to find out if the meseum is open. Their web site shows they are open Saturday and Sunday. No one answers the phone and I left a message but no reply. One of my high school buddies will be in town Saturday and we would sure like to see the collection before it all split up.
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Hi Tom, I don't really know, but if the auction people are in there, the museum is probably closed for logging of stuff. I don't know how they could log everything prior to November actually. That is a lot of stuff. Just a good guess.
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Does anyone have any idea as to just how they can sell all these items? If you packed all the household items from five rooms into one I think you would have the same problem, but a sofa and an automobile move differently.
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Just wondering are there lots of Model A parts in the collection or just vehicles? Might be a place to find the special brackets I need for the top of my April 1929 Business Coupe, the ones that the short center bow attach to that allow for the oval windows. I can't make the auction or Hershey this year but would glady reinburse a Fordbarner for the cost of the brackets plus a nice finders fee!
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List showed a 31 slant window Cabriolet, wonder what shape it is in, should make someone very happy!
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OK, I'll start the bidding- guess the collection will go for 1.8 mill
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Well it sounds like Jay Leno or someone of simular caliber will probably pay close to 1 million for the twin-grilled Lincoln. The Varities seems like it would be pretty rare also. I'm going to guess 2.9 million.

My original quesiton however is what this 'museum' would have sold for BEFORE the auction, if someone could have purchased it whole. I think the auction will bring a little more than just a big group deal. So does anyone know if this estate is being handled by family or laywers or??? Whould there have been someone or an individual to whom someone could have made an offer, OR is this auction part of the will? Just curious. I too think it is too bad that it can't stay as a group, although there will be a LOT of happy people as a result of the auction.
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his responce to me was that when he dies his will was written to dig a big hole and have it all pushed in
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My original quesiton however is what this 'museum' would have sold for BEFORE the auction, if someone could have purchased it whole. I think the auction will bring a little more than just a big group deal. So does anyone know if this estate is being handled by family or laywers or??? Whould there have been someone or an individual to whom someone could have made an offer, OR is this auction part of the will? Just curious. I too think it is too bad that it can't stay as a group, although there will be a LOT of happy people as a result of the auction.
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My original quesiton however is what this 'museum' would have sold for BEFORE the auction, if someone could have purchased it whole.
He told me in 2009(ish) that he would sell the whole collection for $1mil. I'm going to guess the Jay Leno story is exactly that. Selling for a million might very well be one of those stories. He had some good tales.
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He told me in 2009(ish) that he would sell the whole collection for $1mil. I'm going to guess the Jay Leno story is exactly that. Selling for a million might very well be one of those stories. He had some good tales.
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If I had a dollar for every "Jay Leno offered $1 million, but I told pound sand..." story, I'd have $1 million!
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Lee told us that he wanted to donate the collection and not split up a thing. It was all or nothing and I have a few buddies tell me the same. He was a cool guy and could talk your ear off with stories. Sorry I could not get to see him before he pass god speed Lee.
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My bet is close to if not just over 3 million dollars. total...
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It all depends on how many "smalls" will be in Box Lot sales. They can't sell one spark plug at a time. The auction price vs flip resale price should be interesting to watch.
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Roadster62 , there was alot of show cases filled with goodies and if you look at some of the cars they were filled too with stuff. I would like to know if he collected such things as Owner Manuals , tools and tool bags ,, and hope Model "A' people get a chance to buy and Study some of the cars... Might open up to some questions with the answers we are looking for...Did i hear right , there's a 1932 roadster in there with 1400 miles???Still like the paddy wagon! Wonder if the red and blue headlights flash back and forth???Would be neat back then! Just to add something ,,,Wonder if he collected keys????

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That PATTY Wagon most likely will go on tour as part of Chicago Mob History, and join the Bonnie & Clyde Death Car, and every Mercedes Adolf broke wind in. I'm half Irish so I'd like to correct the Police Wagon spelling. It is PATTY, short for Pat or Patrick. The term goes back to the Civil War Draft Riots in 1863 when many Irish imigrants were hauled away in them.
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15% buyers premium- you can keep it..... I won't be going.
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I'm half Irish so I'd like to correct the Police Wagon spelling. It is PATTY, short for Pat or Patrick.
Tomato/Tomoto. Here on the Southside of Chicago we Southside Irish call them Paddy Wagons. After all, Padraig is Gaelic for Patrick, so it can work both ways. Most of the PD's out here call them Paddy Wagons as well even the modern Ford and Chevy versions.

I go off the belief that they are so named because Police Dept's back then were predominately Irish.

Maybe it be best if we just refer to them like Ford did in late '31, Police Patrols.
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Are the AA Police Patrols actualy different than the Panel Delivery bodies?
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Roadster62 , there was alot of show cases filled with goodies and if you look at some of the cars they were filled too with stuff. I would like to know if he collected such things as Owner Manuals , tools and tool bags ,, and hope Model "A' people get a chance to buy and Study some of the cars... Might open up to some questions with the answers we are looking for...Did i hear right , there's a 1932 roadster in there with 1400 miles???Still like the paddy wagon! Wonder if the red and blue headlights flash back and forth???Would be neat back then! Just to add something ,,,Wonder if he collected keys????
it could have been 14,000 miles i can't remember
15% buyes premium=me no buy anything....but you bet i'll be there for the whole thing with a camera and a lawn chair
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It should be noted that the wagon in the Hartung collection is not an actual Ford Police Patrol. It is a bus body that was made into a wagon by someone (CPD?).

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Thanks for the update and illustrations WTSHUN. That says something about Chicago, even then they needed a bus over a standard Patrol. Tim, thank you for the math lesson, most guys don't add the cost of food & motel and loss of pay to the price of items bought at Hershey. I'd guess that is 15%+ on every item bought.
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So then the Paddy Wagon isn't either of the above two body styles? Does anyone have a picture of the type of 'bus body' it is??
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Now that sucks about the paddy wagon.... Wonder if it has S/S AA Hub caps in good shape or any shape at all. I believe Snyder's is looking for some for a AA restoration of his... Any one out there has some??? Give him a call..thank you
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I'm wondering how they are going to sell the vehicles, are they going to move them out so they can be inspected or are they going to be sold as is where everything is so close not sure of how good a look you are going to get. The motorcycles I'm sure they will move, but don't know about the cars.
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It should be noted that the wagon in the Hartung collection is not an actual Ford Police Patrol. It is a bus body that was made into a wagon by someone (CPD?).

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That's interesting, good catch. It does look like a flat face cowl with a wider than police patrol body doesn't it? Wonder if it's actually a police unit or just something that was done up for a parade car way back when?
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(pictures from flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/67284583@N08/)


Here are two other pictures showing a little bit more detail (or at least what can be seen).

Few things that point out this isn't a Police Patrol...
The flat firewall.
No cowl lights.
The back edge of the door curves towards the front of the car, the Police Patrols had a vertical line.

Also, the "M" license plate on the vehicle is incorrect. "M" plates started being used to signify "Municipal" plates in IL back in 1939/1940. From 1929 until 1939 "M" plates were used to signify the smallest weight class of trucks.

Still pretty cool looking though!
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Boy, until that last picture, I wasn't all that concerned about the flooding up above the running boards thing, but that doesn't look too good to me. Anything can be fixed or replaced, but it is a shame that a neat collection like this had to sit in water. I wonder for how long? Anyone know? Those two running boards are pretty rusty. I saw it on one of the motercycles also about 1/2 way up the tire/wheel. Interesting, thanks for the post.
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Just looking again....does anybody else think that maybe the 'Chicago' plate above the windshield might be homemade also?? I think the lettering would have been better than that if it was actually police-done. Just an observation.
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Timothy, my point is 1000. +15% buyers premium +10% Chicago sales tax + shipping =

You do the math. Doesn't work for me.
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Just looking again....does anybody else think that maybe the 'Chicago' plate above the windshield might be homemade also?? I think the lettering would have been better than that if it was actually police-done. Just an observation.
Most everything police related on that car is not original CPD. The "Police Alarm" on the door is off the side of a building.

My avatar pic is of CPD taking deliver of 1929 Phaetons. The vehicles were void of any excessive decoration. They typically had CPD or Police on the hood, a number on the doors and a number on the roof.

Here is a picture of a '36 Ford Paddy Wagon that shows how devoid of any major bling it had. http://copcardotcom.fotki.com/photog...940struck.html

Here is a 20's era CPD wagon as well. This one has the bell in front of the radiator, the first and only time I've seen a picture like that. Most other ones had a bell on the passenger running board.
http://copcardotcom.fotki.com/photog...ized-patr.html The website refers to it as a '24 Ford but that radiator doesn't look 20's Model T to me.

I can't wait until I (hopefully) get to see this thing pulled out of the barn or at least with all the crap off of it (notice all the tennis rackets stacked up on the front seat).

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That's an easy answer that is a WHITE not a Ford. Thanks for all your posts on this collection, I really want to get out there to at least see it. http://copcardotcom.fotki.com/photog...ized-patr.html The website refers to it as a '24 Ford but that radiator doesn't look 20's Model T to me.
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i just got some spy photos.....
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they are cell phone pics
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Hartung Auto Museum is no more as the Auction Crews pull out all of his collections into the front lawn which now has a Huge Circus tent to line up the vintage gems for the Nov Auction
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During these first days of the great removal at Hartungs Museum ~ I am happy to iPhone short video footage of this historic sell-off of Lee's lifes work is drag-outside. I was told to "Keep Out" so I video outside the new Chain-link fence with both Iphone and my new Nikon D5000 digital video to archive this historic event.
The fat security guard yelled No Photo's which I yelled back I.m on public land and snapped her fat ass also

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according to my source
$25 to get in
$2000 min to get a bidding card
no parking at ITW..(unless you are employed there)
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Paddy Wagon, story I heard Lee Roy dressed it up with all his stuff to look like a Paddy Wagon, its outside now and really is huge.

Check out the last video's ever taken inside the Museums final hours intacted;

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this guy was the last to roll footage with Margie or Bonnie talking in the backround He has 3 full length video's now up on YouTube The Museum is gone, period but we have this to remember the good old days of Hartungs Auto Museum Glenview,IL
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Well, two videos popped up on Youtube the other day showing the dismantling of the collection.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5rtgYGwllE

You can see in the first video a shot of Wayne Carini looking over one of the cars. So, you know it has to have some impressive stuff.

Here, someone goes around talking to various workers at the site interviewing them about working there...not all that terribly interesting but if you watch the background you can see a lot of the stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJTA0..._order&list=UL

The first video also offers this shot...

As you can see, it is a AA Bus that has bars added to the side windows. It is NOT an original 285-A or 290-A Police Patrol as manufactured by Ford in '31. Still pretty cool to see though.

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Those last two you-tubes were great.
R&M has some more info on their site but no list of sale items yet.
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This was Lee's personal car that he drove all the time it will be in the auction
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Does anyone know if R&M plans to tape the auction and televise it at a later date
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This was Lee's personal car that he drove all the time it will be in the auction
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now THAT is a car that definitely needs to be preserved and driven as-is!
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Looks like RM has got 642 lots listed on there website. It's amazing to see the conglumeration of a collection actually broken down and be able to see everything that was there. Does anyone know if they plan to put out a printed catalog. I would be interested in buying one although I have no intentions of going to the auction.
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Looks like RM has got 642 lots listed on there website. It's amazing to see the conglumeration of a collection actually broken down and be able to see everything that was there. Does anyone know if they plan to put out a printed catalog. I would be interested in buying one although I have no intentions of going to the auction.
That is a lot of crap! Funny to me though, the five very specific items I want from that collection don't appear in any of those pictures. The auction "newspaper" they were handing out at Hershey was saying there will be over 2,000 lots. The guy running the auction said in an interview they are "shooting for 2,500" lots.

Still a ton of stuff to be brought out to the light of day.
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That is a lot of crap! Funny to me though, the five very specific items I want from that collection don't appear in any of those pictures. The auction "newspaper" they were handing out at Hershey was saying there will be over 2,000 lots. The guy running the auction said in an interview they are "shooting for 2,500" lots.

Still a ton of stuff to be brought out to the light of day.
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Should be interesting to see if the other 1868 lots will make it to the website.
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Although it's not a Model A, does anybody here know anything about this 1932 Essex type car? Were they any good back in the day and are parts impossible to find?
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Although it's not a Model A, does anybody here know anything about this 1932 Essex type car? Were they any good back in the day and are parts impossible to find?
http://www.auctionsamerica.com/event...e=LH11&ID=r166


Essex was basically a Hudson on a more economical scale. Hudson engineers were very good at what they did and the Essex shares from this same gene-pool.

Based on the pictures, I not sure exactly what parts you feel like it will need but consider the fact that 1932 was about the last year for the Essex, ....and there is no Berts, Snyders, Brattons, etc. for reproduction Essex parts. When you own an orphan car, you generally are forced to "restore" what is there instead of 'replace' parts.

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http://www.wgntv.com/news/morningnews/aroundtown/

Hi Gentlemen, I've seen some of your questions and comments here and joined so I could possibly shed some light. I visited this "museum" several times and he does have quite a conglomeration of stuff. My Dad was an avid Model A restorer and afficionado and I took him there several times along with his two brothers whenever they came to visit. I do live nearby the museum and 1 poster did have it correct that it is just a huge pole barn with no insulation or floor. He would never part with anything by the piece. My Dad asked everytime he went if he would sell a car part, wrench, tool etc, but would never budge. He did tell the Jay Leno story several times and my impression was that he wasn't a fan. Just from my impression and what Mr. Hartung would say while we visited, it sounded to me like he would never sell the "collection" in one lot. As for parking it will be interesting to see what they do for that. The link above is a clip from WGN TV that had showcased the collection/auction and the items they showed did not appear to be in the polebarn where these items were originally. So it looked like they may have moved some of the stuff to another location? There is no campground nearby. There truly is a little of everything. No one mentioned anywhere either that he did have an extensive police badge collection as well. That's actually how I first met him when he would take the collection to local police departments when they would have open houses (I worked at a local PD and saw the collection firsthand). I hope some of this answered some looming questions, and I wish my Dad was still alive to see the auction and be a part of it....he would have loved it.
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Wow - this guy's been collecting a loooooong time. My husband Ken Ehrenhofer and John Krenger are going to this - I don't think I will ever comment again about how much stuff my husband has in his 6000 sq. ft. barn again - he will never have this much stuff.

If I have time - I might go - but I'm working on the Model A News magazine this week. If Ken goes without me - I'll have to send my camera with him - just in case he can sneak in some photos - not sure if they allow photos this week - but it's worth a try. I hear that a lot of Model Aers are coming here this week - if you are - be sure and contact Ken for info about where to stay, eat, etc.
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$100 entry fee, NO free looking day of auction. $20 for look before sale day. And I thought 15% buyers fee was bad. Howard
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If anybody is coming to the auction please feel free to call me and stop by the Forty Horse Farm up in Woodstock. maybe int he evening we can have a meeting at my place and kick some tires.
I will be at the viewing on Tuesday and will have some maps if you want to visit,
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The $100 is for two people and it includes both viewing and bidding so it is not to bad??? maybe,
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I was going to go then I saw the fees, 15% buyers premium AND 9.25% sales tax atop of that ?!?! Thats just CRAZY! I will protest by my absence (I'm sure that will hurt them ha-ha )

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they will get my $20
i payed to see it when it was a museum.....now i wii be able to see it better
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Wow.Wow.Wow.

I had set aside 2 hours to see the auction preview yesterday. 5.5 hours later I was walking out of the place and still didn't get to see everything I wanted to.

RM/Auctions America did a lot of work on the property to get it to the point where they are able to start auctioning stuff off. I spoke to one rep who has been on site for the past 8 weeks and another guy who has been there since June.

I took about 360 pictures and posted them to Photobucket. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/f...ion/?start=all

The old museum has been emptied out and all of the stuff that at one point was buried and hidden and unknown, is out on tables, to touch and play with.



A lot of vehicles were outside.





20,XXX engine number with a winfield head.





Parts everywhere





Cars inside, about 40 of them.




Just all around interesting stuff.


1st issue.





I registered to bid at 6pm last night and was bidder number 238, so there will be a lot of people there. They have 1,700 lots that will be auctioned off. They were still auction people running around putting lot numbers on items all day. A lot list was available around noon and runs about 20 pages front and back.

Overall it was an impressive amount of stuff that will be hard pressed to find such a collection in the future. I'll be at the auction these next three days, more as an observer than a bidder, I'm sure things will go for crazy prices. Will be interesting to see how it all goes. The one item I had wanted and the main reason I've been so excited about this auction is not up for bid, it was kept by the heir as it had been a present she had bought for Mr. Hartung and she wanted to keep it. Can't fault her for that.

Oh, and I'm sure people were wondering but the one guy with the auction company we were talking to told us the auction company is estimating $8 million total sales. The property is for sale at $4 million. Not bad for a junk collector who lived in a trailer.

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Ok with all this cool stuff, there was one thing you wanted, and you keep us hanging.... If they are keeping it, you most likely will not get it, how bout telling us what you wanted??

I wish I was there, was to an auction 30 years ago that had the weight of his collection in parts, all ford from beginning thru '31, unbelievable in the same regards as this one.

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Ok with all this cool stuff, there was one thing you wanted, and you keep us hanging.... If they are keeping it, you most likely will not get it, how bout telling us what you wanted??
The City of Chicago started issuing license plates in 1903 or so, before IL did, after IL started doing License Plates the city started requiring vehicles to register and pay a tax, a small medallion was provided which was to be affixed to the dashboard of the vehicle.

A 1918 from my collection. Only about an inch and a half long.

I have about 40 of them but Hartung had an almost complete run of City of Chicago vehicle tax tags, including many types that I have never seen anywhere else.

Here are some of them in License plate frames at the Hartung auction.



He had the only 1931 City of Chicago Truck Tax tag that I have ever seen and I would like it very much for my '31 Truck. I have a '27, '28 and a couple '30s but no '31.



Here is a '30 out of my collection.

So I'll have to wait hope to find one at some point.
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Thanks for taking the time to post pictures-very interesting for those of us who can not attend
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Thanks for posting pics for those that cannot attend ! Please give us some updates ! Truely amazing. Love it or hate it, hopefully this auction will result in more old cars back on the road, being enjoyed and cared for.
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Thanks for posting pics for those that cannot attend ! Please give us some updates !
I will try to update as much as possible. Sadly, I won't be able to stay late Saturday, which is when all the cars are being put up for bid, so I may not be able to update that info but I'm sure it will be information available elsewhere.

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looks like there will be some good scores! if anyone buys anything please post pictures!
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A few I took, I recommend you stay home
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More with some rain in the forecast so you might want to stay home .................................................. .................................................. ................... Good Luck to all!!
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You want us to stay home so you can have it all to yourself!!

I'm gonna be sick if the cars go cheap!!
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does anyone know if this auction will be taped and broadcast later?
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I don't think that's going to happen with the hype of this auction. Of course is everyone assumes everything will sell high and stays home, there could be some bargains.
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I'm here at the auction and everything is going for crazy money so far. Scared to think what the A stuff will sell for.
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Amazing. How does one person accumulate so much stuff and in such variety? Does anyone know his story?
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A quick update as I run to bed, gotta be up early tomorrow for the final day of the auction.

Top seller so far? Flying Merkel, $175,000






This Harley went for $100,000






Want to know how he accumulated his collection? I found this under the back seat of one of the A's.


The license plates went today and brought over $500,000 for all of them.

The motorcycles by themselves, not counting Whizzers or Bicycles brought $1.2 million.

Pretty impressive.
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Do you know what that Thor single brought??
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The 1908 Thor Single went for $32,500 plus buyers premium. The 1913 Thor Twin with sidecar brought $47,000 plus 15% premium. These seem like bargains compared to some.

There was no sales tax for vehicles - just parts and collectibles.
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Wow, a few of those cars sold for more than you can buy a running car for...I'm glad I didn't go, those roadster pickups would have been very...very tempting.

http://www.auctionsamerica.com/event...e=LH11&ID=r152

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Has anyone released the total sale with buyer premium?
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WOW and I thought the economy was bad. Even E Bay seems like a bargain now!
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The total price for the sale including the buyer's premium of 15% was just under 4 Million
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4 million less that the estimate that they thought.
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I updated my Photobucket with almost 700 pictures of the auction over four days.
http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/f...ion/?start=all

This sign went for $30,000.



This went for $7,500


Funny story about the Playboy. The announcer mentioned that they found that magazine, buried in a stack of paper in the back of the AA bus/Paddy Wagon.

I really wanted these, but not at $1,200.


Thought this was cool, was on one of the Model A coupes.


The auction was an experience. I got to see a lot of very cool things that I have never seen before, even after wandering Hershey four times. Saw and met a lot of great people, heard some great stories as well.

I only bought a pair of 1915 IL license plates on Friday, I overpaid for them but eh, would have been disappointed if I didn't get something out of the auction.

Overall, well worth the price of admission and a great collection that will now be spread all around the world for others to enjoy.
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i updated my photobucket with almost 700 pictures of the auction over four days.
http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/f...ion/?start=all

this sign went for $30,000.



this went for $7,500


funny story about the playboy. The announcer mentioned that they found that magazine, buried in a stack of paper in the back of the aa bus/paddy wagon.

I really wanted these, but not at $1,200.


thought this was cool, was on one of the model a coupes.


the auction was an experience. I got to see a lot of very cool things that i have never seen before, even after wandering hershey four times. Saw and met a lot of great people, heard some great stories as well.

I only bought a pair of 1915 il license plates on friday, i overpaid for them but eh, would have been disappointed if i didn't get something out of the auction.

Overall, well worth the price of admission and a great collection that will now be spread all around the world for others to enjoy.
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Ok my take on the auction is this very large lots made it hard to swallow when the price gets to 500 bucks or better for Model a Sector shafts. Well the lot is for 10 NOS in the Ford boxes and that makes them 50 bucks each. So what does the same copy but the Chinese in your catalog cost 70 bucks . Will it brake/snap, wear out in a week and even fit with out hour of mods. Most of the parts were original and NOS so quality cost were Chinese is cheaper but. A few pictures of the lots, I also took more and posted a few days ago. thanks lee for saving the cars and parts for us.
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Holy Cow, I am the owner of a Paddy wagon????/School bus!!!!!
You thought I was crazy and now I have removed all doubt. LOL!
Actually my first AA and I am really excited. Already buying parts and hope to someday git er dun!
Actually it is a Union City School bus and was made in Union City Indiana.
Greenfield Village has one just like it and they give rides in it. I am missing the visor and the rear wrap around bumper.
I hope to show pictures soon I got her home on a roll back truck and it was really tall scary driving down the road.
Lee's Faher was acop and he always liked to fix up cars like squad cars so I am sure this was his sense of humor.
The rear wheels are frozen as they were in 10 inches of mud and water most of the time. Soon hope to apply heat and get her rolling. I will keep you posted,
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I was able to extract pictures of some of the trucks on the auction web site. Attached is one of the AA bus/police truck. Is this the AA that you got?

Is it the 157" wheel base? Does it have a Union City id plate that you found?

I have the other six picture from the auction site which I will email you if you want. Just send an email to neilwilson.aaford@gmail.com if you want them.
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There is a great video slideshow of pictures that were taken from Leroy's personal photoalbum that was shown on the screens during the preview days of the auction. I see it is now posted on the auctions america website.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=vZY2IMRjq-g

The pair of license plates I bought are actually visible in one of the pictures, a pair of yellow 1915 IL plates shown at around the 4:35 mark. Shows a lot of the old cars and stuff that Leroy had or the condition in which he found them. Some neat old pics of A's and AA's too.

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The roof on the passenger side broke so the 4x4's are there to hold the roof up.





Anyone know what the thin minors on all the posts between the windows are for? They (or remnants of) were present between every window.



(see how the red light says "STOP"?)

There you go Ken! Good seeing you at the auction, sorry I wasn't around when the cars crossed the block, would have been exciting to see this truck go!

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Oh, and here is a picture of the restored AA bus at Greenfield Village.





It was evidently being worked on this past winter/spring.


This bus appears to have the mirrors on the interior window posts. Also notice the "window" on the lower part of the passenger door to allow the driver to see down.

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We have already started the restoration, The battery cover is ready!!!!!......

Slow and steady and it is going to be great!
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Thanks Tim, It was exciting with a lot of friends cheering when the gavel went down! I never did anything like this before, auction and all, so I was pretty nervous!
Yes the bus in Greenfield Village is exactly the same. That is the visor we need and also the rear bumper altho I have two rear bumper brackets that do not look the same as the ones pictured. Mine are shorter ?????? also I need to see what the seats look like???? We do not have any!
One of many on the long list of questions. My inspiration is to go to a National Meet and go driving around with a bunch of people in the bus! Thsi will be really fun!
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I was able to extract pictures of some of the trucks on the auction web site. Attached is one of the AA bus/police truck. Is this the AA that you got?

Is it the 157" wheel base? Does it have a Union City id plate that you found?

I have the other six picture from the auction site which I will email you if you want. Just send an email to neilwilson.aaford@gmail.com if you want them.
Hi Neil,
Yes this is the bus (not a paddy wagon) I have found out that Lee's father was a police man and that must be why he had such a penchant to dress up like a cop. He also dressed up this bus.
It is a Union city bus and I do not know where to look for a ID plate??
Where is it??? yes 157" wheel base. I have a friends AA fire truck 131 wheelbase in the barn and I thought it looked big until we off loaded this bus and now it looks really small. I willsend you an e-mail for the pictures
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Oh, and here is a picture of the restored AA bus at Greenfield Village.





It was evidently being worked on this past winter/spring.


This bus appears to have the mirrors on the interior window posts. Also notice the "window" on the lower part of the passenger door to allow the driver to see down.

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I do not have the mirors either interesting.....mmmmmm I do have the window it was blocked bythe police bell mounted on the door. I removed it for the trip home as I was afraid of the weight on the door causing damage. How did you get this repair photo?? I need to amke atrip to the village this winter. Always a great trip and I will need to get into the shop area to measure the seats and all.
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Google image search for "Greenfield Village AA"

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my dad Frank was a close friend of Lee's for years. always trying to get parts for his 40 and wanting stuff Lee didn't want to part with. He was a really neat guy to talk to and I am sure there is a lot of pickin going on in heaven between the two of them.

Ken bring that paddy wagon out to the Rolling Meadows cruisers show when you have her done... I'll be watching for it
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That's an interestin "valve" for the gas on the indented firewall??
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I wonder in they know it's turned wrong? Maybe they just tightened it to where it felt tight and figured that's how it should be.
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Sorry, I don't know where or if there is a Union City data plate. Other buses I have seen have had the Wayne body. My understanding is that the Ford sold bus was on an AA157 chassis and was manufactured by Union City. So, at some point I would like to do an article for the Double A'er newsletter on this Ford identified 330-A body type. I don't know what the Union City body type was.

BTW - If you have high resolution copies of the Greenfield Village photos you posted, then please send them when you email me.
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my dad Frank was a close friend of Lee's for years. always trying to get parts for his 40 and wanting stuff Lee didn't want to part with. He was a really neat guy to talk to and I am sure there is a lot of pickin going on in heaven between the two of them.

Ken bring that paddy wagon out to the Rolling Meadows cruisers show when you have her done... I'll be watching for it

Please come out to my barn to see us in action working on it?????
Friday night is Pizza night in the barn if you have time. I also met Lee in 1963 so I go back a long way with him. What a character and I am really glad to have the bus WOW!
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Sorry, I don't know where or if there is a Union City data plate. Other buses I have seen have had the Wayne body. My understanding is that the Ford sold bus was on an AA157 chassis and was manufactured by Union City. So, at some point I would like to do an article for the Double A'er newsletter on this Ford identified 330-A body type. I don't know what the Union City body type was.

BTW - If you have high resolution copies of the Greenfield Village photos you posted, then please send them when you email me.
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I took a pretty good look and cannot find a Union City tag anywhere. I do see the interior widow trim is woodgrained and there is a mirror between each window. I cannot imagine them wood graing a school bus???? So was this another kind of bus???? maybe a motor coach of some kind with flashy interior (woodgrain) So many questions and so few answers but the search is already great fun. Pieces of headliner still inside. First task is to wash the bus and do a video recording of the whole thing and all the details and then lot and lots of stiill photos. Altho I need to free up the rusted brakes and get it rolling so I can get it outside to wash and take pictures. Right now I know I need a visor, rear bumper, side view mirrors, seats, and lots of money to do this restoration, So far the wife is happy and so am I as I do not think it has sunk in yet. I would love to do an article on the bus so lets talk,
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I'm curious, what are you going to do with the police alarm that was on the door?
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I know little about the 330-A. But, according to the "Ford Trucks Since 1905" there were both a school and passenger bus. The original was a school bus. The raised roof (like yours) was a modification to allow it to become a passenger bus.

Yea, doing an article would be great as I don't know of any other information out there. Be sure to send me an email to neilwilson.aaford@gmail.com
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thanks Ken I may have to do that--after I'm done down here in FL trying to get rid of all my dad's junk. (most of it's junk---he was like Lee, but collected stuff that didn't make sense to anyone but him. old chains, buckets of nails, all his old bricklaying stuff) Lee was a character alright!

in the meantime i have to figure out best prices for a small IL plate collection. I have 56, 57, 58 sets of two for one number, a set of 1940 in beautiful condition, 29 in also beautiful condition, a set of 57 in semi good condition, and 6 other random singles from 56-60, a stray semi good 1976 bicentennial and then a collector set of two 1976 USA plates----I need to find prices, but have been having trouble finding them.
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I'm curious, what are you going to do with the police alarm that was on the door?
On the way home I realized that a couple of items were still on the bus or laying inside and I did not want to loose track of them so early the next morning I went back and removed the police bell on the door and found the lighted CHICAGO sign that Lee had put on the roof. I was not sure how the door would survive with the bell on it because I do not know if the bus ever was run with the bell on it. So it was removed for the trip home. One of the auction folks who was trying to reach an upper shelf in the barn tried to stand on the roof and broke a few of the wood bows.... luckily no one was hurt but we built a 2x4 support inside and added to the 4x4's they already had put in so the trip home would not damage it further.
So it was then tarped (rain threatening) stretch wrapped and flat bedded home. When home we used car dollies under the two rear wheels as they are frozen because of ten inches of mud and water over the years.the back of the barn flooded regularly.
I have saved the police bell and actually rang it. A little WD40 and a six volt battery and it gongs real cool.
The Chicago sign really got me as I am a real Chicagoan born and raised in this great city and even have given "Tours of Chicago" to people from all over the world. The sign will hang in my shop and I got to figure out how to lit it once again.
This experience has been wonderful as I won the bid a cheering section from Model Aers went up from the back row. I was so nervous as I never bought anything at auction before..... and I always new Lee had this bus but I never thought I would ever own it.... It is really cool and really, really big. No It is REALLY BIG!
I have it stored next to a Model A Fire truck and it makes the truck look small. I am already receiving help from people in doing research and learning more about the bus. It appears it is not a school bus but rather a passenger bus with woodgrain interior and mirrors on each window. The big roof gave head room for the adults.
I can't wait to get into it but other projects have to come first. I am trying to get two vehicles done for Osh Kosh and Marquette so the bus will just have to wait.....
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No Plans for the bell other than to hang it up in the shop. It was not a police paddy wagon as advertised and when restored it will be returned to it's bus look. Greenfield Village has the exact same bus so I am looking forward to trip there again.
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thanks Ken I may have to do that--after I'm done down here in FL trying to get rid of all my dad's junk. (most of it's junk---he was like Lee, but collected stuff that didn't make sense to anyone but him. old chains, buckets of nails, all his old bricklaying stuff) Lee was a character alright!

in the meantime i have to figure out best prices for a small IL plate collection. I have 56, 57, 58 sets of two for one number, a set of 1940 in beautiful condition, 29 in also beautiful condition, a set of 57 in semi good condition, and 6 other random singles from 56-60, a stray semi good 1976 bicentennial and then a collector set of two 1976 USA plates----I need to find prices, but have been having trouble finding them.
I have a good friend, Frank Smith who collects an deals in licensce plates.
If you want his info let me know as he can advise you of prices etc. He might also be interested in buying some of them.
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Don't know if he would have any Alaska plates, but I would be interested in a '31 Alaska plate, either Pass or Comm.
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thanks Ken I may have to do that--after I'm done down here in FL trying to get rid of all my dad's junk. (most of it's junk---he was like Lee, but collected stuff that didn't make sense to anyone but him. old chains, buckets of nails, all his old bricklaying stuff) Lee was a character alright!

in the meantime i have to figure out best prices for a small IL plate collection. I have 56, 57, 58 sets of two for one number, a set of 1940 in beautiful condition, 29 in also beautiful condition, a set of 57 in semi good condition, and 6 other random singles from 56-60, a stray semi good 1976 bicentennial and then a collector set of two 1976 USA plates----I need to find prices, but have been having trouble finding them.
ebay is best for prices. I've bought all my plates there.
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Thanks MrTexas. I was hoping to find someone lookin here. but may get in touch with Ken's friend.
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Old 04-13-2012, 08:28 AM   #166
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Just as an FYI, I saw that the April 17th episode of Chasing Classic Cars on the Velocity channel will be dedicated to the Hartung auction. The teaser shows Wayne Carini wandering the Hartung museum before it was dismantled and then shows a lot of him wandering the grounds with all the stuff laid out for viewing and then of course bidding.

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Old 04-13-2012, 11:08 AM   #167
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Thanks Tim! I'll have my daughter tape it so I can see it when I visit. We don't get the Velocity channel. Bob
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