01-18-2020, 04:50 PM | #1 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Germany, near Aachen
Posts: 1,159
|
Engine pans
Guten Abend!
Does anyone have mounted these parts and can show me a picture how it looks when they are installed? Is this a new idea or an addition from the car era back the 30-th? https://www.brattons.com/eng-splash-...er-coated.html Thanks!
__________________
Beste Gruesse aus Deutschland, Werner Ford Model A, Roadster, 1928 Citroen 11 CV, 1947 Hercules W 2000, 1976; (with NSU-Wankel Rotary Engine), Canadian version |
01-18-2020, 04:58 PM | #2 |
Member
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Pearland, Texas
Posts: 85
|
Re: Engine pans
Ford installed them originally. Many people have removed them over the years. They use two of the oil pan bolts and two bolts to the frame.
|
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) |
|
01-18-2020, 06:18 PM | #3 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: South East Wisconsin
Posts: 1,279
|
Re: Engine pans
Some say that engine splash pans aid in cooling the engine. I really can't say from experience if that is true or not.
|
01-18-2020, 06:57 PM | #4 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: brentwood, ca
Posts: 4,245
|
Re: Engine pans
Also as a ground path, a ground from frame to engine.
|
01-18-2020, 07:41 PM | #5 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: SoCal
Posts: 877
|
Re: Engine pans
|
01-18-2020, 08:37 PM | #6 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Bend Or.
Posts: 1,057
|
Re: Engine pans
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
I feel they are important. They direct air across the exhaust manifold and the block itself, instead of letting it escape out the bottom. They also look good and keep the engine compartment cleaner. And as stated about they also assure an electrical path, Engine to frame.When you put them in place from the bottom, it is very obvious what bolts are used to hold them on.
__________________
Bill Worden 1929 Roadster 1929 Briggs Town Sedan 1930 Closed Cab pickup Smith Motor Compressor 1951 Ford F1 High Desert Model A's |
01-18-2020, 10:42 PM | #7 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: central Arkansas
Posts: 150
|
Re: Engine pans
Kind of hard to take pictures of but I gave it my best attempt
|
01-18-2020, 11:18 PM | #8 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Middletown, NY
Posts: 165
|
Re: Engine pans
Very helpful when you don't use an air filter on the carburetor.>
|
01-18-2020, 11:40 PM | #9 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Mt. Pleasant, SC
Posts: 601
|
Re: Engine pans
I agree with Whirnot in post #6. I think they help with cooling the engine, but certainly will catch your air-maze filter if it falls off ! Also, they are original equipment, so I have them installed on my car.
|
01-18-2020, 11:48 PM | #10 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Mebane NC
Posts: 2,354
|
Re: Engine pans
Werner, take a look also at these older threads on the engine pans. The two most common problems are (1) difficulty with the installation due to the mount points not quite being where they're supposed to be or the holes being too small and (2) vibration at the mount points causing noise as well as wear on the flanges. Various fixes are proposed in the threads for both issues.
https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showt...7430&showall=1 https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4312 https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45594 |
01-19-2020, 02:15 AM | #11 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Ogden Utah
Posts: 242
|
Re: Engine pans
I have had engine pans on my sedan almost 40 years and never had a problem with them breaking. I was lucky and found original ford plans and had them powder coated black.
|
01-19-2020, 07:31 AM | #12 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Germany, near Aachen
Posts: 1,159
|
Re: Engine pans
Hallo and a big "Thankyou" at all for the unanimous positive informations.
I will order now the sheets from Brattons. They look good and were originally installed. I didn't know that until now. Yes, the cooling of the exhaust tract is improved. When parking, less air circulates from the bottom up and the engine cools down more slowly. The air filter is mounted upright, so no problem. Thanks for reporting the fits. I will mount the sheet metal edges with adhesive rubber liner. Thanks also for the photos and the links!
__________________
Beste Gruesse aus Deutschland, Werner Ford Model A, Roadster, 1928 Citroen 11 CV, 1947 Hercules W 2000, 1976; (with NSU-Wankel Rotary Engine), Canadian version |
01-19-2020, 10:58 AM | #13 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Alabama
Posts: 8,099
|
Re: Engine pans
Using adhesive liner when installing the engine pans will cause the engine pans to be a pain to remove when necessary . Lock washers work well at holding the engine pans in place for me .
It has been said that engine pans help cooling by 15% . I feel that the pans help !!! The model A needs all of the cooling help that it can get . Fifteen percent may not be that noticeable . Any improvement in cooling is good . Last edited by Purdy Swoft; 01-19-2020 at 11:05 AM. |
01-19-2020, 12:34 PM | #14 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Washington
Posts: 175
|
Re: Engine pans
I think they help keep the engine compartment clean.
|
01-20-2020, 11:20 AM | #15 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Alabama
Posts: 8,099
|
Re: Engine pans
I agree !!!
|
01-20-2020, 11:51 AM | #16 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: West Virginia
Posts: 430
|
Re: Engine pans
My AA has the bolts still on the frame and remnants of the long gone pans still under the bolts. If I ever get to that point I plan to install new ones.
|
01-20-2020, 01:04 PM | #17 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Greenwich, CT
Posts: 140
|
Re: Engine pans
An adhesive rubber liner may act as a noise reducer, but it may also act as an electrical insulator... The engine pans are an integral part of the the grounding system, and need to be connected firmly enough to make an adequate electrical connection.....
TallyHo, John B |
01-20-2020, 09:04 PM | #18 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Lincoln, Nebraska
Posts: 1,909
|
Re: Engine pans
The two places the engine pans bolt onto the oil pan are prone to cracking and breaking since the oil pan bolts are recessed a small amount inside the flange of the oil pan. I put a couple of small washers between the oil pan and the engine pan to keep the tabs straight when the bolts are tightened up.
__________________
Dave / Lincoln Nebraska |
01-20-2020, 10:34 PM | #19 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Between Seattle & Tacoma
Posts: 2,354
|
Re: Engine pans
Use the extra grd strap from tranny top to the original ground location. Even if you have pans, it’s a better grd.
|
01-20-2020, 10:36 PM | #20 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Hebron, CT
Posts: 432
|
Re: Engine pans
31 Cabriolet 68-C, the best way to make sure the engine is grounded to the frame is to attach a wire to a bell housing bolt and connect the other end to the frame. Very simple to do and it works.
|
01-21-2020, 12:35 PM | #21 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Pitt Meadows BC
Posts: 1,003
|
Re: Engine pans
I had a set of original pans for the 31 AA and must say I was impressed with the amount of air blowing out the hood louvers after installation. I found the heat inside the cab was greatly reduced as the air was venting through the hood as it should rather than into the firewall and down to the floor boards and road. I have no way of proving better cooling of the engine but it certainly cooled the cab on a summer days drive.
Looking for a set for the 28' coupe now. |
01-21-2020, 02:17 PM | #22 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SW Idaho
Posts: 970
|
Re: Engine pans
Do you have Float a Motor engine mounts? if so the engine will not be as solidly mounted as original. The likelihood that the tabs at the frame could crack/ tear off. They would have to float (mounted loosely) to last. Even with original engine mounts they take a beating, still I use them.
|
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) |
|
01-21-2020, 02:33 PM | #23 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Mebane NC
Posts: 2,354
|
Re: Engine pans
I'll be putting floating mounts and engine pans on at the same time. How much flex are we talking about? Will rubber washers at the frame do the trick? Feels like it'll be better to cushion them on the frame side than the engine side.
|
01-21-2020, 04:17 PM | #24 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Germany, near Aachen
Posts: 1,159
|
Re: Engine pans
Quote:
Whether on the motor site or on the frame side, it doesn't matter in terms of vibrations +/- 1/8". Since I want to make everything perfect, I insert each screw on the right and left with soft washers. I took a 60 mm˛ copper flat cable to connekt the batterie between engine and frame.
__________________
Beste Gruesse aus Deutschland, Werner Ford Model A, Roadster, 1928 Citroen 11 CV, 1947 Hercules W 2000, 1976; (with NSU-Wankel Rotary Engine), Canadian version |
|
01-21-2020, 11:19 PM | #25 |
BANNED
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 385
|
Re: Engine pans
Werner, Are you putting them on your 28 Roadster ? If yes, Do you have the early solid front Engine Mount Type car.. If yes, you also will have two holes in the crossmember to bolt to.. The pans are also different than all the others..
Last edited by F.M.; 01-22-2020 at 11:01 AM. |
01-23-2020, 02:47 PM | #26 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Germany, near Aachen
Posts: 1,159
|
Re: Engine pans
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
I don't know the differences between the front engine mounts. I attach pictures from today. Tomorrow I get the pans.
__________________
Beste Gruesse aus Deutschland, Werner Ford Model A, Roadster, 1928 Citroen 11 CV, 1947 Hercules W 2000, 1976; (with NSU-Wankel Rotary Engine), Canadian version |
01-23-2020, 04:47 PM | #27 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: brentwood, ca
Posts: 4,245
|
Re: Engine pans
Your is not the early front mount.
|
02-25-2020, 11:35 AM | #28 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Germany, near Aachen
Posts: 1,159
|
Re: Engine pans
Good afternoon,
the underfloor motor pans are now installed. It was very easy in 1/2 hour. Thanks to your help, my Little Green Roadster is becoming more and more perfect.
__________________
Beste Gruesse aus Deutschland, Werner Ford Model A, Roadster, 1928 Citroen 11 CV, 1947 Hercules W 2000, 1976; (with NSU-Wankel Rotary Engine), Canadian version |
02-25-2020, 11:08 PM | #29 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Redwood City, CA
Posts: 1,591
|
Re: Engine pans
I think they help with cooling. Had them on my Phaeton since 2001 and never had any issues with over-heating. Motometer gauge never shows any signs of stress and with a thermostat as extra safety measures to boot~~
__________________
1928 "A" Phaeton (mid year with many early features) 1933 "V8" Closed-Cab Pickup Truck (originally a Model B, 4 Cylinder dating to May, 1933)
|
|
|
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) |
|