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Old 08-08-2019, 07:19 PM   #1
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Some of you have expressed interest throughout the past that you'd enjoy a thread wherein I'd show the progress and perhaps some methods to one of my restorations.
I am just beginning a ground up, concourse restoration on a '40 Ford Business coupe.
So, the question is (kind of a poll), "who might enjoy this?"
Mind you, it (the restoration) will take approximately one year.
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Old 08-08-2019, 07:24 PM   #2
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Yes please Mike! I appreciate the workmanship, knowledge and detail you exhibit.
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Count me in as VERY interested. Thanks for the offer, Mike. dw
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All of your post are interesting and informative, so yes!
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Mike,
Count me in. I always admire your work and level of expertise.
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Always dig your posts Kube.
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Cube: Proceed - I am never to old (82) to learn new information and/or techniques...
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Kube, I am interested in following your upcoming restoration also.
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Good workmanship always appreciated.
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Always of interest.
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Old 08-08-2019, 09:09 PM   #14
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i'm sure everyone would enjoy seeing the process up to being one of your fine cars. thanks for your offer, and thanks for your time if you choose to go thru with it
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looking forward to following your restoration
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Count me in .....!!!
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I would love to follow low along! Thank you!
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Old 08-08-2019, 09:53 PM   #18
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Yes, please.
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Mike,


Great idea!
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I will follow it with great interest. Your cars are the picture of perfection.
Thanks for the offer.


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I’m very interested too.
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Old 08-08-2019, 11:18 PM   #22
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For sure. Build threads always seem to be popular and well viewed and lately there seems to be a noticeable lack of them. Good to share your expertise.
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I’ll be watching! For a year it’s going to take one HUGE bowl of popcorn!
But seriously, a year will go by way too fast. I think Lawson has it it right with the toilet paper roll euphemism.
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Another way to also get us motivated with our own projects, there are some of these on various model T's and there great.

Very generous to offer and take the time to do this, should be as good as the write up of your 40 in the V8 times a few issues ago. Scott
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Old 08-09-2019, 05:16 AM   #27
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Mike, that would be fantastic.

If there could be some video content posted to Youtube that would be the icing on the cake. (You know I post videos up).

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Yes indeed Kube.You have helped me alot over the years.Russ
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Would be of great interest.


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What are you waiting for? Lets get this project moving!
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Since I am finishing up my 40 V8 business coupe, I would be very interested to see what I could have done better! Of course I would love to follow your restoration!
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Count me in OR as one on the list!!!
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Awesome Kube, I'm just getting started on my 36 Cabriolet so I could definitely use some pointers!
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Since I am finishing up my 40 V8 business coupe, I would be very interested to see what I could have done better! Of course I would love to follow your restoration!
I can't match your workmanship. No how, no way.
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Okay guys... THANKS for all of the (too) kind messages.
I'll start the thread ASAP. I have no doubt a lot of it will be akin to watching paint dry. The "fun' part to me is when stuff starts going back together. That'll be quite a while.
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Sounds like a great idea to me.
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Awesome Kube, I'm just getting started on my 36 Cabriolet so I could definitely use some pointers!
Wow! That looks like a great car to start with. Is it as solid as it appears? Fairly complete? Are you planning a concourse type restoration?
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Wow! That looks like a great car to start with. Is it as solid as it appears? Fairly complete? Are you planning a concourse type restoration?
Kube, Yes, its complete, even has matching serial on frame and tranny. I will restore to like original as best I can. My skills allow me to achieve what I call an "amateur' restoration. May try to do better with this one though.
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Some of you have expressed interest throughout the past that you'd enjoy a thread wherein I'd show the progress and perhaps some methods to one of my restorations.
I am just beginning a ground up, concourse restoration on a '40 Ford Business coupe.
So, the question is (kind of a poll), "who might enjoy this?"
Mind you, it (the restoration) will take approximately one year.
Any chance you could document it with a GoPro? Easy to use, edit and post. If you don't have one, the early ones, 3 Hero, are cheap enough on e-bay.

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Yes please, the 40 is one of my favorite cars. Hi Wayno great hearing from you, take care.
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Both hands up. Both eyes and ears open.
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YES Mike, let's light this candle !
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I am in. Thanks, Mike.

You could actually make this into a book showing what's entailed in each part of a restoration.

Such as: exterior, frame and chassis, drive train, interior, wiring, glass, suppliers, etc.

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Move over there bud I need a seat for this one. I'm in, Take your time.
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Uh, Mike, I think it is the other way around! But thanks!
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Nah, not interested.

Just kidding, I just don't want your head to get too big. Let's get on with it!
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Of course it's easy for us to say. it's no effort at all on our part but lots of work on Mikes part. Taking pictures, writing the text, getting the images cropped and edited, getting them uploaded (Not great on the barn). PhotoBucket used to be ideal but not any more.
It's a lot of work. I know. I've done it.

But Mike, we would all appreciate any progress reports you can make for us. maybe a weekly update? Week 1, week 2 etc.?

Thanks for at least thinking about doing it.

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My hand is raised..... meaning "heck yeah"!!
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My '40 could use some freshening up. Go ahead and motivate me.....
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Kube,are you still considering the restoration thread on a 40?
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Mike,
By all means step back into it. Your convertible restoration was a classic.....the
'issue' where you described fitting the trunk lid encouraged my buddy with a 40 coupe to
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Like so many others, I look forward to this thread!
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Geez... I opened this thread hoping to see a project. But no!


Get to it Mike "Mr. Kube" posting! we love your work!


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I'm also in. Lights,action,camera.
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I'll be following this with great interest, especially the hood installation.
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Good morning gentleman.

Life is finally settling back down in to my normal. My normal equates to working 18+ hours a day and loving it. Businesses, horses (eleven of them) writing my book and well, life, kinda gets in the way of restoration threads.
I'll start this thread with the hopeful understanding that these restorations are a hobby / passion for me. It takes me about twelve to fourteen months to complete a full restoration.
It can fairly be argued that there as many approaches to a restoration as there are projects. My approach is just one and there's little doubt not the best one by far. I continue to learn day after day and on occasion wonder how and why "I didn't think of that" much earlier in life.
Anyway, feel free to express advice, raise queries, heck, (positive) criticize.

As a bit of overlook, I tend to inspect the vehicle closely and take many photos prior to disassembly. As many of these as I've done, I forget stuff. Oh, this is #17 - all were either '39 or '40 Fords with the exception of two Buicks, a '31 and a '38 (sorry guys).
I then disassemble the car down to the very last nut and bolt. I don't tend to label and bag as much as I used to as I for the most part know exactly "what bolt goes where".

The next step is to take a written inventory of any and all parts I feel I may need for the completion of the project. I use as few reproduction parts as possible but some (repop) parts I find necessary and / or prudent to utilize.
I promptly seek and purchase all pieces I think I may need. I don't care to be held up simply because I can't locate a certain required piece on any day.

I do tend to work on a number of assemblies simultaneously. Why? Well, I tend to get "burned out" if I spend countless hours / days working on (example) on fender.
I tend to complete the chassis first as heck, it's the foundation of all to come afterward.

While finishing the frame, I will also finish each subassembly. As an example, the brake backing plates will be fully restored and assembled. Another example? The brake / clutch pedal assembly will be fully restored. All of these subassemblies will have their respective fasteners placed with them in storage. And yes, I keep a very accurate inventory of what part is in what box and on what shelf.
I believe you can picture how a chassis comes together easily for me. It so much fun (yeah, a sickness) to be able to work hours upon hours assembling the chassis with no interruptions as all the required pieces are finished, in a box, awaiting installation. Another benefit of this approach is when the chassis is assembled, it is all very fresh and pristine at the same moment.
Okay, thanks for putting up with me thus far.
Oh, I am 100% certain my restorations are not for everyone. They are without argument "over restored". However, only in the fit and finish are they over restored.
Correct? I will discuss with anyone - anything, that they may feel is incorrect. Like I'd mentioned earlier, I continue to learn.
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Here's a couple of phots of the car I'd received. Upon initial inspection, it appeared to be beautiful. Isn't that often the case upon initial inspections?
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Then I disassemble the entire car. Many of the small pieces get media blasted ASAP. Some will get powder finished, many more will be painted.
The body, fenders, doors, etc. get sent out for plastic media blasting. Why?
Plastic will not warp any sheet metal surface and unlike acid dipping, it will not come back to haunt you years later.
Also, unlike acid dipping, heavy rust will not be removed with plastic beads. This is of no concern to me as I repair / replace and compromised sheet metal.
The frame will get sand blasted - quite aggressively.
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Thanks for posting the start of your new restoration.It will be a great documentation for the owner as well as other interested folks. The time and effort you take to do this is much appreciated. Be sure and take photos of "the small stuff" as that's often taken for granted as stuff folks already know. Will be following you. Love the way you lay the parts out so neatly for photos. I hope you will be able to feature this as part of your book. It would be a wonderful eye-opener. Thanks. Jim
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As I'd said earlier, there always are "surprises" not seen upon initial inspection. This car was no different than any previously restored.
While the body shell, doors, hood, etc. are as beautiful as I'd thought, the floor, well, not so much.
I can't quite grasp what happened to necessitate the repair but I can tell you it was done poorly at best. My guess is it was done decades ago when a coupe like this had very little value.
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I tend to be very methodical during the process of restoration. That method seemingly keeps me from having to do things twice.
I measure, then measure again, and again - whatever is necessary. I trial fit all parts before any finish is applied.
All of the factory welds are removed and will be replaced when appropriate.
I am using a reproduction tail pan as well as the rear most trunk floor. Both pieces are "okay" as delivered. Okay at best. Both took quite a bit of massaging to get to fit properly.
The center floor pan is not available as reproduction and even though this one was beat up, it will be beautiful once reinstalled.
Note the tool tray was very solid. Most of the authentic tar paper lining remained intact.
This car was hit from behind at some point in its life. What I am unable to determine is why the floor was damaged as it was. the rear quarters have zero damage and zero repairs. The tail pan and rear most trunk floor were both damaged fairly bad.
I gut tells me two distinct causes. Tail pan? Simple rear end type accident. Floor? Perhaps something very heavy was tossed in there? hey, it happens. I'd restored a '40 coupe about six years ago that was 100% rust and dent free. Beautiful car to start with. Trunk floor was dented so badly, sheet metal stretched... turns out the previous owner threw an engine block in the trunk!
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Thanks for posting the start of your new restoration.It will be a great documentation for the owner as well as other interested folks. The time and effort you take to do this is much appreciated. Be sure and take photos of "the small stuff" as that's often taken for granted as stuff folks already know. Will be following you. Love the way you lay the parts out so neatly for photos. I hope you will be able to feature this as part of your book. It would be a wonderful eye-opener. Thanks. Jim
Jim, The book will have zero in regard to restoration processes. My gosh man, it's been years of research to get this far on that (book) project. I can't imagine how much more time would be required to do a restoration phase. That sounds like a different book entirely. For someone else to do.
I do photograph most assemblies "before" and "after". I place them in a photo album side by side in an order leading up to the final end result.
I figure these will be my "coloring books" for when I am able to do little more than look at them and (hopefully) recall them
The horns depicted in the accompanying photos are from a '39 wagon I'd restored. The steering column from a '40 coupe.
If the cars are sold, a hard copy of the album is always included with the sale.
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Wow. Thanks for posting the story so far mike. This is an excellent subject. While your and my approaches to restoration are at polar opposites, I really appreciate the way you do what you do.

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Wow. Thanks for posting the story so far mike. This is an excellent subject. While your and my approaches to restoration are at polar opposites, I really appreciate the way you do what you do.

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What is your approach Mart?
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Leave it alone as much as possible and just take care of any mechanical/safety issues. As I said in a previous post talking about over restoration: I said "I tend to under restore my heaps". Lol.
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Leave it alone as much as possible and just take care of any mechanical/safety issues. As I said in a previous post talking about over restoration: I said "I tend to under restore my heaps". Lol.
You're funny! And probably a lot more (mentally) healthy
Me? I can't leave any of them alone. Every one must be perfect! No doubt, it's a bit of a sickness. I'm okay with that!
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Mike, since you have already done many of these, you probably already have enough pictures for you to assemble a "restoration" book of your own for sale. All you would need to do is minimal text for your steps and of course the sequence. No need to go into detail how to shrink metal, weld, wet sand, paint etc. Would be easy after you have decided you have restored enough cars.
Thanks for sharing your procedures as they can be relevant to any restoration, even brand X!
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I am currently preparing the frame for paint. Although a super nice frame - very straight and only a few pits, it did have the typical damage to a middle cross member.
I do repair all dings, waves, pits, etc. Then prime, wet sand and shoot single stage gloss black.
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Mike, I'm glad that you are making a distinction between a "how to restore" book and a "how did Henry make them" book. There are a lot of "how to restore" books and few "what was correct" books. Your efforts on behalf of a "factory correct" 1940 Ford are certainly appreciated. Once again, if you need any help putting the book together, let me know.
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Mike, I'm glad that you are making a distinction between a "how to restore" book and a "how did Henry make them" book. There are a lot of "how to restore" books and few "what was correct" books. Your efforts on behalf of a "factory correct" 1940 Ford are certainly appreciated. Once again, if you need any help putting the book together, let me know.
Don, I very much appreciate your kind offer. Lord knows you've earned my respect!
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Kube,that looks almost like a dual exhaust cut-out some time long ago!I know my 40 had duals on it some time or another and the drivers side has been motified for exhaust.
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Go for it, one of my favorite cars. I did a repaint in Black laquer, some new glass 37 DeSota bumpers etc. Nice car, sold it for 600 bucks, Raising a family, added another mouth.
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Kube,that looks almost like a dual exhaust cut-out some time long ago!I know my 40 had duals on it some time or another and the drivers side has been motified for exhaust.
If I recall correctly, nearly every 39 - 40 I have ever restored has had damage to that brace.
I always figured it was some "backyard hack" to install a replacement exhaust. You know... why do it right when it's so much easier to hack out a chunk of the brace?
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Thanks for taking the time to do a thread. A lot of work is involved in putting one together. It is like writing a book, but with very short chapters.
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You're funny! And probably a lot more (mentally) healthy
Me? I can't leave any of them alone. Every one must be perfect! No doubt, it's a bit of a sickness. I'm okay with that!
You guys Stateside are so lucky compared with Mart and I . You have a lot more access to correct parts than we do. In my case 12000 miles of shipping really whacks up the restoration costs. I have spend a lot of money making my cars look right but a fine points guy would spot many things wrong with all of them. For example on my Model A the generator looks correct but is 6 months younger than my car-Getting the correct generator out of the States is feasible but not economically viable when only one person in 10,000 here would identify it as correct.

The distance means that our cars often don't follow the accepted time lines any way. My 1934 Fordor was registered in New Zealand In April 1934 but was probably assembled Stateside in Jan 1934 It has a combination of 33 and 34 Parts on it from new.

Due to our isolation and hence cost of new parts our cars have often been kept going with Farmers fixes over the years rather than expensive genuine parts . This again complicates restoration.

For the above reasons Fine point judging doesn't really exist over here. I wish it did -but then I'd be to scared to drive them

In short do you need any aging car mad Doctors in the States LOL !
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[QUOTE=Karl;1820079]You guys Stateside are so lucky compared with Mart and I . You have a lot more access to correct parts than we do. In my case 12000 miles of shipping really whacks up the restoration costs. I have spend a lot of money making my cars look right but a fine points guy would spot many things wrong with all of them. For example on my Model A the generator looks correct but is 6 months younger than my car-Getting the correct generator out of the States is feasible but not economically viable when only one person in 10,000 here would identify it as correct.


Karl, I have often admired you guys from across the great pond. I've shipped a lot of parts in your direction and as you'd stated, the shipping costs are insane.
I hope you are able to continue enjoying your hobby.
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Kube, Do you do all the restoration yourself? Example being for instance; the horns, generators and windings, rebuilding the clocks and parts like that? Where do you draw the line?
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Once again, thanks for bringing us along.
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Good morning Mark.

I do most of the work. However, some things are simply out of my hands.
Plating and most machining come to mind.

I used to be able to do the engine machining when employed as a tool maker. Unfortunately, after I'd retired, I'd lost access to the necessary machines.
Clocks you ask? More often than not, they simply need to be cleaned and lightly oiled.
I do rebuild the horns myself as well as generators, starters, transmissions, differentials, etc.
I now send my distributors, some fuel pumps and carburetors out to Charlie Schwendler. I used to do my own but find the minimal cost (of Charlie's work) along with the high quality, well, I just figure it is no longer worth my time / efforts to do them any longer.
I don't mount my tires or cut my own glass.
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No doubt, Kubarth ("Kube") surely has restored an appreciable number of '39s and '40s over the last several years. I really don't understand how he is able to complete each in the seemingly-short time that he usually spends completing one. Of all the cars Mike has done over the years and has had judged, I've only managed to scrutinize two of his earlier restorations...the little blue coupe that shows in his avatar, and that now-infamous blue '40 Convert (with accompanying drink holder) that eventually ended-up selling out of the Dingman Collection for a reported $165K several years back. I remember Mike saying that that car judged ONLY 999 points, and that because of a 1-point deduction for two tiny pits in one of the rear axle housings. I honestly believe that the blue avatar coupe must surely be one of his favorites as Mike sold that coupe to someone in the northeast I believe, only to re-purchase it at a later date. I understand that he eventually sold it a second time, and have since heard that he would really like to have it back AGAIN. Almost kind of comical! But my whole point here is to express my thoughts about the extent of the detail and workmanship that Mike puts into these jewels by bringing attention to a couple of oft-overlooked and frequently forgotten areas for restoration. On the two "Kubarth" '40s that I'm familiar with above, you could look down past the roll-up windows in the doors and notice the result of what must have been some painstaking effort to make the insides and bottoms of those doors look just as pristine and finished as the paint on the fenders. Not only were the door innards a work of art, but the underside and rear of the instrument panel area along with the upper, inside of the dash (firewall) were finished every bit as nicely as any other part of the interior that shows in plain view. The guy seems to have this 1940 Ford restoration process about down to a science. I think that Mike really must be, by his own admission, one of those seriously-afflicted OCD types, as he seems to be the consummate artisan, always paying the utmost of attention to the minute details that make any "Kubarth Restoration" a significant work of note. DD
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What a wonderful opportunity! For rookies, like myself, describe, for example, the frame process....






media blasting, filing , sanding, paint.....






Maybe I'm getting ahead of you. When I saw those horns, I was curious as to the steps of making them look so nice.






Thank you for your time, it's one thing to do a restore, it's another to take time and post about it all along the way...
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No doubt, Kubarth ("Kube") surely has restored an appreciable number of '39s and '40s over the last several years. I really don't understand how he is able to complete each in the seemingly-short time that he usually spends completing one. Of all the cars Mike has done over the years and has had judged, I've only managed to scrutinize two of his earlier restorations...the little blue coupe that shows in his avatar, and that now-infamous blue '40 Convert (with accompanying drink holder) that eventually ended-up selling out of the Dingman Collection for a reported $165K several years back. I remember Mike saying that that car judged ONLY 999 points, and that because of a 1-point deduction for two tiny pits in one of the rear axle housings. I honestly believe that the blue avatar coupe must surely be one of his favorites as Mike sold that coupe to someone in the northeast I believe, only to re-purchase it at a later date. I understand that he eventually sold it a second time, and have since heard that he would really like to have it back AGAIN. Almost kind of comical! But my whole point here is to express my thoughts about the extent of the detail and workmanship that Mike puts into these jewels by bringing attention to a couple of oft-overlooked and frequently forgotten areas for restoration. On the two "Kubarth" '40s that I'm familiar with above, you could look down past the roll-up windows in the doors and notice the result of what must have been some painstaking effort to make the insides and bottoms of those doors look just as pristine and finished as the paint on the fenders. Not only were the door innards a work of art, but the underside and rear of the instrument panel area along with the upper, inside of the dash (firewall) were finished every bit as nicely as any other part of the interior that shows in plain view. The guy seems to have this 1940 Ford restoration process about down to a science. I think that Mike really must be, by his own admission, one of those seriously-afflicted OCD types, as he seems to be the consummate artisan, always paying the utmost of attention to the minute details that make any "Kubarth Restoration" a significant work of note. DD
Yep, just a tad OCD.
Your words are too kind and undeserved.
Thank you. I appreciate your comments.

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What a wonderful opportunity! For rookies, like myself, describe, for example, the frame process....media blasting, filing , sanding, paint.....
Thank you for your time, it's one thing to do a restore, it's another to take time and post about it all along the way...
Tomorrow is (gloss black) paint time on the frame. I am eager.

You'd asked about the process in regard to the frame...
I start by removing all components from it. Then I clean away all the grease, etc. Then it's sand blasted quite aggressively.
Once I am certain the frame is true, I begin to repair any bends, dings, etc. If there are "extra" holes that don't belong in a restored frame, those get welded shut and metal finished smooth.
This frame required one of the middle cross braces to be replaced. The replacement was riveted in as was authentic.
Then I prime and sand. I prepare my frames as I prepare hoods, fenders, etc. As most realize, the proper preparation is paramount to a beautiful finished result.
Then, I prime and sand again.
This was a rather nice frame to begin with. Very few pits and other than that damaged brace, little other repair work was required.

Tomorrow I will wipe this down with Pre-Cleano one more time and shoot...
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A detour, but I wanted you to know that you are not alone.
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Nice ..wish I had more free Time & Garage space to work on mine..
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A detour, but I wanted you to know that you are not alone.
Wow! I'd like to think great minds think alike but there is only one great mind at work here - yours.
So, I'll chalk this up to coincidence. Very cool Dave. Thanks for sharing!

What's your frame going to end up under?
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Mike, Nice work! those frames sure are a pain to sand all the little crevices to remove the pitting, as you know. Assembly seems to be the easy part on a Early Ford V-8, but the sanding, blocking and paint related tasks are where he work really is in my opinion.

On a side note, what brand primer do you use? Also what about paint?

If you have never checked out Tamco Paint, I would recommend it highly as it seems to out surpass the PPG counterparts. I would bet most everything I own that that beautiful frame David posted a photo of was done with Tamco Products.

Hat's off to you, and excellent work!
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Mike,

Under these things, but there is a fundamental difference in that what you show is your handiwork and in my photos, the handiwork is that of a couple of long-time good friends who happen to be world-class painters and paint preparers. My role is researcher, parts finder, and final assembler where the devil in the details.
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Mike, Nice work! those frames sure are a pain to sand all the little crevices to remove the pitting, as you know. Assembly seems to be the easy part on a Early Ford V-8, but the sanding, blocking and paint related tasks are where he work really is in my opinion.

On a side note, what brand primer do you use? Also what about paint?

If you have never checked out Tamco Paint, I would recommend it highly as it seems to out surpass the PPG counterparts. I would bet most everything I own that that beautiful frame David posted a photo of was done with Tamco Products.

Hat's off to you, and excellent work!
Hey Michael,
You are of course correct in regard to the task of sanding these frames. I could check my notes but off the top of my head, I'd say I have well over 100 hours in this frame to date.
And to think this was a nice frame to begin with!

I've been using ChromaBase primer and Nason Ful-Thane color for years upon years.
Cost is reasonable and it has proven to last very well for years upon years.
I doubt I'll change but appreciate your advice. This stuff has worked so well, for so very long... plus, I know just how to handle it.
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Under these things.
My gosh man! Good for you!

Ya know, you'd made a comment in an earlier post that "I am not alone".
You are correct but beyond you and I, well, we might be alone
I've had more than one person suggest that you and I are the only two remaining doing this type of (read OCD) work.

Here's a photo of the inside of the cab on that '40 PU I'd recently completed.
I ask you: How many guys (other than the two of us) that block out the interiors?
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Mike, as with anything when you find something that works, stick with it! Out of curiosity do you use Nason on the sheet metal as well?

I haven’t sprayed much DuPont products other than some chromabase (base coat) as it’s hard to find around here. I assume Nason is a DuPont product?

Again excellent work in a world where most frames receive krylon from walmart!
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Under these things, but there is a fundamental difference in that what you show is your handiwork and in my photos, the handiwork is that of a couple of long-time good friends who happen to be world-class painters and paint preparers. My role is researcher, parts finder, and final assembler where the devil in the details.
David, you indeed have the best painters Ive ever in my extremely inexperienced short life have encountered. One of your painters has thought me more in short conversations in the last two years about painting than I had ever learned before. Take that and add it to your extensive research and patience in correctly assembling them, and you get the final results that are typical of yours or Kubes cars in the fact that they are the best there is in the world of early v-8s
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How many guys (other than the two of us) that block out the interiors?

This is but one example of what I was talking about in Post #99. DD


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Re. the '40 p.u.; super duper!
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Mike,
On the frame, what do you do to ensure the doubled up area in the rear mostly, is clean? I find it very hard to clean, and even harder to paint properly. Is separating them an option?

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On the frame, what do you do to ensure the doubled up area in the rear mostly, is clean? I find it very hard to clean, and even harder to paint properly. Is separating them an option?

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This is one of those numerous areas Michael Driskall eluded to in his previous post. A definite pain in the butt... lots of effort to get this area clean and even more to get it smooth for painting.
The trick to preparing? Patience, lots of patience.
The trick to painting in those areas? For me, it's turn the pressure way down at the gun.
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Wow! Some nice looking paint jobs in this thread! I love watching people progress from rust and dents to glass like finishes! Watching...
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I was wondering how you eliminated blow back and bare spots when painting into an enclosed frame pocket. I still use a siphon gun on sheet metal topcoats even though I do have a high quality HVLP gun. The time involved in prep work and the cost of paint is such I am chicken to take a chance with something I am not completely used to. I still use the same siphon gun I bought in 1972 (DeVilbiss JGA 502).
Wish I could farm out the body/prep/paint work!
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Some of you have expressed interest throughout the past that you'd enjoy a thread wherein I'd show the progress and perhaps some methods to one of my restorations.
I am just beginning a ground up, concourse restoration on a '40 Ford Business coupe.
So, the question is (kind of a poll), "who might enjoy this?"
Mind you, it (the restoration) will take approximately one year.
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V8: No doubt about it, when it comes to 40 Fords,
Mike is an "supranatural resource" with the patience of a toothache.
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Mike, as with anything when you find something that works, stick with it! Out of curiosity do you use Nason on the sheet metal as well?

I havent sprayed much DuPont products other than some chromabase (base coat) as its hard to find around here. I assume Nason is a DuPont product?

Again excellent work in a world where most frames receive krylon from walmart!
Michael,
The Nason is simply that - Nason. No affiliation with DuPont that I am aware of.

I've been using DuPont Chromabase on the sheet metal for the last six cars or so. Typically four coats of color and three or four coats of clear. I figure on sanding off one coat of clear prior to buffing.
I have learned to manage the ChromaBase fairly well and have grown comfortable with it.
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Sorry but now the project as always slows. The body work takes more time than any other part of my restorations. I'd mentioned in an earlier post that to keep me fairly sane, I will often prepare subassemblies while the body work continues - just for a little break in the action.
In the past week, I'd managed to complete quite a few things. The horn / bracket assembly as well as the headlamp bucket assemblies are ready to install. Some of you may note all of the requisite hardware is in place. Once I start assembling the car, I like to stay in the assembly mode and not have to switch in (and out of) the search mode.
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The body work is going along actually quite well. In a different thread here on the Barn, the question was raised as to the quality of the reproduction rear tool tray pan.
Well, let's say it's "okay". Better than what I had for certain. Still, it required a lot of work to get it to fit properly. this one came from Pacific Parts. I do not know if they supply Drake and Carpenter. If you look at the photos carefully, you'll see I had to cut each side near the fender mount and move the panel in. About 1/8" was required on the left side, nearly 1/4" on the right side.
My guess is most guys would simply install this pan and figure "good enough". Me? I can't seem to force myself to accept "good enough". This pan was simply too wide. From my experience as a tool maker, it appears to have been formed poorly.
Anyway, it's welded up and the shape and width are now correct for a '40 Ford.
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Managed to get the backing plate assemblies done as well. I have found it so much easier to have these ready to install to the spindles and rear axle housings as assemblies than build them on the chassis.
I did have to shorten the spring that is over the brake cable. The reproduction is fit with a spring at each end that is considerably longer than it was authentically and will cause issues if left as received.
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Mike,
Might I ask how the ?!?! you remove the brake adjusters to have them plated??
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Made a bit more progress this past week. Ya laugh but here goes:
The trunk lid did not fit as well as I would like. It was in fact too close in many areas to the body. You can note in the photos some of my inked marks as to where I needed to cut the edges and where I needed to add to them. Now the lid fits beautifully.
Back fenders? I ended up cutting the flange that the attachment bolts go through in order to match the curve of the fenders with the curve of the body. Yes, the welt would conceal most of this mismatch but I'd know it was lurking. So, cutting the "flange" in a number of spots allowed me to move the fender around to where I was happy with it.
Yes guys... it is a sickness
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Nice work, Mike.

I can relate to this type of effort. We often have to remove thin sections of fenders not originally from the subject project car to ensure proper fit and once in a while even if the fender was original equipment to the car.

At times seriously original car bodies with original paint intact will show evidence of in-plant sheet metal 'adjustments'. Serious hammers were standard equipment in assembly plants until numerical control equipment minimized sheet metal variations that were previously inevitable in stamping operations.
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Excellent work and discussion. It's good for all of us to know what it takes. How much of it we choose to apply is up to us, but at least we know what to do.

Thanks Mike (and the other contributors adding their thoughts).
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Serious hammers were standard equipment in assembly plants until numerical control equipment minimized sheet metal variations that were previously inevitable in stamping operations.

I went through the then-new Corvette factory in Bowling Green, Ky. back in September of 1982. It was amazing as we got toward the end of the line, to watch some of the beating-on, bending, jerking-on, tugging and whanging with fists and open palms to make various components fit something like the original design called for. Barbaric process for sure, yet most of 'em didn't look too shabby going out the big door. DD
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I think it's really cool that "Kube" is willing to share his knowledge and show the results with others. Lots of folks take it all with them on their last ride.
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Is this my last ride? Oh my gosh! I didn't realize that. ARGGGHHHH!
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Yikes, NO....can't be!! TOO much still left to do. DD
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A Nason paint system was mentioned previously. I think they are now under the Axalta banner along with Dupont coatings by brand names. Dupont coatings was spun off some years ago to Axalta. I was around Nason way back when I worked in a NAPA warehouse while going to aviation school but I've not used any of there stuff. It's been a while since I used Imron Elite but it and Chromabase are also Axalta products now days.

I sort of avoid painting the helicopters now days because it's so much work with a million rivets to block around. Because of this, I'm well aware how much fun the frames and interior pieces would be to refinish. My hat is off to those that make the attempt.
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Hi Mike, I just found your thread on the restoration. Count me in. Thanks Larry
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Hi Mike, I just found your thread on the restoration. Count me in. Thanks Larry
I haven't had too much to "show" lately. I've been working on the doors which were very nice to begin with as well as building up the differential / Columbia.
I probably should have photographed the process of replacing the torque tube bearing but once I was immersed in that project, I didn't "look up" until I was done. I am so happy I relieved my wallet years ago when offered the KR Wilson tools dedicated for this task.
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I'll bet it's cool to use tools specifically made for the task.
I search and search for a good deal on them. I completely understand what u mean when u say "relieve your wallet"
I ended up making some of the tools I used in rebuilding my Columbia. It's been a few years now since the rebuild and I've never had an issue with it since. Of course with the info from the guys on here it makes it a bit easier to achieve.
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I have my torque tubes powder coated on the outside and since they have been sandblasted inside and out, I Glyptol the inside of the tube so it won't rust. It is really effortless to pull in the new center bearing with the KRW tool. I sight down and line up the arrow on the tool with the hole for the grease fitting, wipe a little liquid soap on the outer rubber donut and it slides in up to the stop very easily, dead on the grease hole in the T tube with the grease hole in the rubber donut.
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I have my torque tubes powder coated on the outside and since they have been sandblasted inside and out, I Glyptol the inside of the tube so it won't rust. It is really effortless to pull in the new center bearing with the KRW tool. I sight down and line up the arrow on the tool with the hole for the grease fitting, wipe a little liquid soap on the outer rubber donut and it slides in up to the stop very easily, dead on the grease hole in the T tube with the grease hole in the rubber donut.
Spoken by a man that (obviously) has the KRW tool
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Could one of you guys that has the KRW tool please post a picture of it?
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I will get to that later today.
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The one I made is pretty much like the KRW and didn't cost much. This is a link to one that is similar to mine. Mine is more refined since I have a lot of resources at hand. The KRW stuff will cost more in money but less in time. Both get the job done.
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Pictures of KRW Torque Tube center bearing tool.[IMG][/IMG]

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Note the end the bearing goes on is solid with the shaft and has a square notch that a square rubber protrusion (which is in line with grease hole in the rubber) from the rubber the bearing is encased in locks the bearing so it cannot spin on the shaft.
At the transmission bell end note that the disk has an arrow to line up the tool with the grease fitting hole, I temporarily install a new grease fitting to more easily sight down and line up the tool. Also notice the groove in the shaft and the pin in the disk that prohibits the disk from turning on the shaft and prevents the shaft from turning relative to the disk. These things are what makes the tool so easy to use and accurate.

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Thanks for sharing! Now about 200 of us can be on the look-out for one..... hahaha
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There is also a similar KRW tool for removing the old center bearing. This tool will allow you to remove the bearing without damaging it. Usually they are beyond reusing but occasionally one is still nice enough to use over.
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There is also a similar KRW tool for removing the old center bearing. This tool will allow you to remove the bearing without damaging it. Usually they are beyond reusing but occasionally one is still nice enough to use over.
I've got that tool as well. It looks pretty much like the installer but different dimensions. I can post photos if so desired.
I've never considered reusing that bearing as it's too much work to R&R after the car is restored and assembled.
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I have taken a few bearings out where the bearing look OK but the rubber was like bubble gum.
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Rubber in it's natural form, doesn't have a very long life span even if kept in controlled environments. Neoprene lasts longer but is still life limited and vulnerable to ozone and some solvents. The fluorocarbon and fluorosilicon elastomers have the longest shelf and working life but they are more expensive to produce. Both were developed in the mid 50s due to a need for low and high temp seals for aerospace applications with good swell resistance to lubricants and solvents. If they could use more modern elastomers, to reproduce stuff like this then it would last a very long time. I'm not sure what is used on the ones Skip sells but it is likely neoprene.
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Skip Haney sent me instructions along with the center bearing on how to install the bearing with a tool fabricated from PVC pipe. Worked great and was cheap to make! used it on my '40 pickup.
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Is Skip's bearing a sealed bearing or is the grease fitting on the TT still in play?
Good use of this thread while waiting for the next installment of pictures from Kube!
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Is Skip's bearing a sealed bearing or is the grease fitting on the TT still in play?
Good use of this thread while waiting for the next installment of pictures from Kube!
Nothing too interesting to post lately. Have the seat tracks re-plated and will soon reassemble them.
I might, if time allows, complete the differential today. If so, I'll post that stuff.

Merry Christmas to all! Let's hope 2020 is bright, peaceful and we all stay healthy.
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The photos that I've seen indicate that is has a grease port on the outer race.
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Mike, I would tend to say that all steps even mundane ones you take are interesting due to the exactness and quality of your work.
Merry Christmas to you and " Let's hope 2020 is bright, peaceful and we all stay healthy" that would be the best gift of all! Thanks!
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Merry Christmas to you Mike and all the other '40 Ford lovers. Best looking old Ford that Henry ever built.
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It has been a while, but I think it is a sealed bearing. although I do remember lining up for the fitting.
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It has been a while, but I think it is a sealed bearing. although I do remember lining up for the fitting.

Here are a couple of pictures of Skip's bearing. DD





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Good day fellas!
Now that the seasonal rush is over, I should have a little more time to "play". I'm certain most of you can understand the need to get your hands dirty.
I did manage to get the differential together along with the Columbia overdrive. Went to install the (finished) radius rods and discovered a huge oversight on my part. The right rod was bent where it bolts to the axle housing. ARGGHH! How I missed this is beyond me but I did - a certain "Bozo" moment. That set me back as I really wanted to have this entire assembly tucked beneath the car by now.
Just plain stupid at times

Today I am planning on wrapping the springs. I'll try to remember to take a few photos of that process. It's tedious work but in my opinion worth the efforts.
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Managed to get the rims painted yesterday. I wish all the rims I restore were as nice as these. Not a pit nor ding on any of them.
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Hey, Kube, tell us about your setup..... dedicated paint room? dirty tear down area? clean storage area?

Thanks for the update and keep telling us about your process....

The rims looks wonderful
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Hey, Kube, tell us about your setup..... dedicated paint room? dirty tear down area? clean storage area?

Thanks for the update and keep telling us about your process....

The rims looks wonderful
Dedicated body work / paint area. NOT the best situation but the one I'd found myself in. LOTS of cleaning before any spraying is done.
All of the disassembly is done in another area away from this room. Again, NOT the best situation but I have managed to make it work. Yes, you can read bull headed stubbornness in to that

VERY clean storage area.
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Installed the spring perch pins yesterday as well as the spring covers.
I always install NOS (OEM) springs o restore the proper / designed height and handling characteristics to the vehicle. I clean and powder finish the individual leaf's and apply a thin coat of fifth axle grease between each leaf upon assembly.
The KRW tool makes installing the pins a breeze - perhaps 5 minutes each maximum.
The covers were NOS, my last set. Note the spring must be flat in order to install these. The entire job took a bit more than three hours.
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Very cool Kube. You do some impressive work.
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Kube, Happy 2020. Thanks for posting the photos of how you install the spring covers. I never knew how it was done. Sure is a neat spring holder (flattener) device. You sure do a 100 point restoration that a lucky customer will enjoy.
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Somehow I just discovered this thread, so I ushered in 2020 binge reading. Thanks for sharing your expertise and approach to turning out cars that most of us only dream about. Subscribed from here out...
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Guys, thanks for the kind words.
I can't take credit for the spring "jig". It's kind of a copy of the KR Wilson fixture.
The only thing I'd wish I'd done differently is make the bottom channel out of aluminum. Of course, when I made this, I was younger (stronger). It seems the older I get, the heavier stuff becomes. Hmmm???

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Mike,
I have a set of shackle bushings to do and was considering making a tool like that out of an old C clamp, or possibly making adapters for my ball joint press.
Do you have any better pictures of it?
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I have a set of shackle bushings to do and was considering making a tool like that out of an old C clamp, or possibly making adapters for my ball joint press.
Do you have any better pictures of it?
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Ralph, I'll try to take some nice shots of the tool later today. I have heard of guys making a comparable tool out of a ball joint press. I have not heard how well they'd worked. I'd think they would be fine for a spring but the axle housings and front axle??? I'd think the close proximity of the housing / axle would require a smaller bodied tool such as the KRW.
On occasion, these are offered on eBay. They seem to go in the $250+ range without the adapters. The adapters can be made easy enough if a guy has decent lathe skills.
I am not certain how a C-clamp might work as there needs to be a bushing at the "far end" to center the installation of the pin.
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It has VERY fine looking threads too.....more torque?
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When I did my rear spring on my AV8, I had a new spring, but drive in new pins with a tool/hammer. Not the best way, but spring was warm and I put bushings outside at -30, so it went ok.
But when it came to the axle perches I cheated and used modern slip in bushings made to look like original.
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Ralph, the spring ends are easier because it can open up as pressure is being applied. It is a whole different story on the rear axle housings and front end parts as Kube explained there is less room. I have the KRW tool and remember what a war it was before I got it. I don't think a C clamp frame is ridged enough for doing the hard (solid steel hole areas) the KRW tool is VERY stout.
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I have a set of shackle bushings to do and was considering making a tool like that out of an old C clamp, or possibly making adapters for my ball joint press.
Do you have any better pictures of it?
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Ralph,
Does this help? Let me know please.
Note the bushing on the working end is both internally relived as well as threaded. It gets threaded on to the pin until it bottoms out against the pin body. That way, both the pin and body are pressed simultaneously. The other end fits nearly size for size within the "far end" of the tool. That bushing is relieved so it fits nearly size for size within the perch and spring ends. Of course, the inside of this bushing is relieved to allow the pin to enter it during installation.
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Thank you! Yes that helps. The tool that I used to hammer the bushing in before is kind of the same way it screws onto the stud and then bottoms out on the sleeve so that you press the bushing in all as one piece. Maybe I can modify that and make it work on a screw type press.
I have a friend with a lathe and I believe that he could make the sleeve for the other end without any problems.
These bushings are going in a 1947 front and and as you say the only drawback is getting a tool that will fit with the axle /wishbone assembly in place.
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For what it's worth I once improvised a press for the rear axle perch bushings on the 33. I put the bushes in the spring using a good bench vise. I couldn't do that with the axle so took the vise to the axle. It worked well.

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This kit can be modified for many uses. Pushing out & pulling in wheel studs is just one. It may be able to be modified for shackles https://www.harborfreight.com/ball-j...les-63279.html
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Nope, I haven't stopped working on this coupe - just not much interesting to report. At this point ALL of the metal work is done. Now it's down to the finish work. The roof was the last part to metal finish - that got completed today.
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why all the grinding on the roof, hail damage?
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Could be metalworking rust pits. I did a lot of that on my avatar roadster, hadn't thought of hail damage. Don't see that in this area.
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Could be metalworking rust pits. I did a lot of that on my avatar roadster, hadn't thought of hail damage. Don't see that in this area.
You got it! Very small rust pits.
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So, how do you treat the small rust spots, spot sandblast or chemically?

I would also like to see more pictures of the tailpan and toolbox replacement. I have that repair to deal with on my '37 coupe.

Thanks for taking us along on this project.
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So, how do you treat the small rust spots, spot sandblast or chemically?

I would also like to see more pictures of the tailpan and toolbox replacement. I have that repair to deal with on my '37 coupe.

Thanks for taking us along on this project.
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First, the entire body gets (plastic) bead blasted. The pros of this method? NO warping and NO pitting of the sheet metal. The cons? It won't remove rust. On the plus side, it makes it that much easier to see even the smallest rust spot for proper repair / metal replacement.
I do some sand blasting. Areas like the gutters and other difficult areas to access.
I never use any chemical stripping agents on any part that has lapped sheet metal or other area(s) that may have the (remote) possibility the chemical may not be thoroughly cleansed. Too many times, I've seen chemicals come back to "haunt" an otherwise beautiful paint job. It can take years but it too often can have disastrous effects. In my opinion - why chance it?

I'll see what I can find for the tail pan R&R. I will strongly advise you to remove the old pan by spot facing ALL of the authentic spot welds and removing the lead at the factory seam. Also, only tack the new pan in place and fit both the trunk lid, the trunk latch and both rear fenders before committing to the pan's installation.
The pans I'd purchased from Drake many years ago were very nice and required very little to fit properly. The current pans on the market are "okay" at best and require some serious modification to fit the way I demand of my own work.
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These three photos were all I took of the rear pan installation. What is not shown is the fact I needed to remove approximately 3/16" vertically from both sides of the pan where it bolts to the fenders. Simply put, the repop pan was a tad wider than the authentic pan.
There was also some modification required where the lip the rubber seal goes on meets the adjoining lip of the body. The lip on the repop pan was much taller than the authentic pan. Easy fix but something to watch for.
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Excellent work Mike. Thanks for taking the effort to post up the pics.

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Kube, thank you for the additional information. I remembered you had said earlier in the thread about plastic bead blasting the sheet metal. I was not aware of the limitation this process not removing rust.

I also understand your concern about chemical stripping with seams and lapped joints, I have seen the telltale signs of the chemical leaching out of seams years after the body was dipped.

I think my options for a repop tailpan for a 37 coupe are pretty limited, EMS or make it myself. I did find an article in an old V-8 Times issue discussing how a fellow made a repair tail pan panel. That will be a challenge.

Again, thanks for putting this thread together. I enjoy following along.
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Kube, thank you for the additional information. I remembered you had said earlier in the thread about plastic bead blasting the sheet metal. I was not aware of the limitation this process not removing rust.

I also understand your concern about chemical stripping with seams and lapped joints, I have seen the telltale signs of the chemical leaching out of seams years after the body was dipped.

I think my options for a repop tailpan for a 37 coupe are pretty limited, EMS or make it myself. I did find an article in an old V-8 Times issue discussing how a fellow made a repair tail pan panel. That will be a challenge.

Again, thanks for putting this thread together. I enjoy following along.
As you are no doubt already aware of... EMS makes poopy for the most part. The pan from them might, just might, be a decent starting point. I wish you the best with this.
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I used the EMS pan on a '37 and it is a good starting point. It does take some maneuvering to get it to fit. The lip for the rubber seal is definitely too wide and will need trimming. Unless they have changed, they do not put the bumper iron cutouts in the pan. I'm not sure, but I thought that McPherson College in Kansas was making some panels for '37 in their restoration shop.
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Great work as always, Mike.
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TJ, I will follow up on that tip.
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Gosh Dave, coming from you means a ton to me. Thank you.
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Yikes! I kind of forgot about this thread. Things like "life" got in the way I suppose.
Here's a little "catch up" on how this project is proceeding. Time to dedicate to it has been sparse recently. However, I have managed to get a number of things completed.
The dash, steering wheel, column, all window bezels, etc. are done.

Body has now had the second prime done and for the most part, it's blocked out. One more coat of prime, another block and wet sand should be enough.
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Looks great! Thanks for the update.
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Cant wait for you to start jim s.
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For sure! That would be cool. Ready to learn! Thanks
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This is the definition of perfection. What color are you going with Mike?
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THIS.....is the definition of "Perfection"! This is a convertible Mike did several years ago. This car since sold at a Sotheby's Auction for $165K....and you heard that correctly! This is the car that Mike now jokingly refers to as the one that was docked 1 point, which resulted in a score of 999 because of two tiny pits a judge found on one of the rear axle bells. Kubarth does some nice stuff, no? DD








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Hey Mike,
This one will be Folkstone Gray. Black wall tires. Mohair interior.
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