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Old 07-09-2016, 09:24 AM   #1
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Default The best Model A I have ever seen!

on Ebay I have never seen such a perfect Model A before, and Iam sure I will never see one like this again for sale. I wish I saw this before I did so much work on my own Model A. It is a 1931 Deluxe Coupe Item #112050978436. This guy has sold others that were just as perfect as this one, that he claims to be his favorites, just cant understand why he would sell them.
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Old 07-09-2016, 09:29 AM   #2
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Here's the listing:
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It is certainly a beautiful car, but those PhotoShop overly enhanced pictures actually hurt my eyes.

Shouldn't Cobra & Chickle Drab have a STRAW stripe and wheels?
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Well, the reason it is so good is that it only has 619 miles on it!!!!!!
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That wheel color kills it for me, hope it is just a poor camera deal. Bob
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Lots of trophy's, but will it run 60 like a factory car?
Do the brakes work?

That may sound like stupied questions, but you might be surprised at how bad some nice looking car drive. I noticed rust at the edges of the springs, now does that mean there is no lubrication between them?

It would also lose a bunch of points at a Model meet because finish of parts. I know that the AACA senior does not mean much other then the paint and interior look good and not necessarly up close.

Yes, I am being negative on this car. For those who are learning and want to buy a car these are little things to consider when you look at pictures. Too many cars look pretty and have poorly done mechanical parts. You need to look for clues as you evaluate. This car could be a super (my definitions) driving car that runs 60 MPH all day long and such, but I am skeptical till I have better reasons to think otherwise.
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Sorry, but the colors just don't do it for me. Yes a good restoration.
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Old 07-09-2016, 12:22 PM   #8
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The trim just doesn't look right to me........great restored A though.
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Old 07-09-2016, 12:28 PM   #9
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Appears there may be two (2) very important question to consider prior to purchasing, based on thousands of past Model A Forum comments:

1. Wonder what brand of head gasket he installed?

2. Wonder if he re-torqued the head hot or cold?
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Old 07-09-2016, 12:47 PM   #10
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Nice car! In response to the color of the wheels, I gotta admit they don't grab me but that can be changed. Painted black would look nice.

Almost looks like the color used to restore the plates was used to do the wheels.

Definitely would not kick this car out of my garage!
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Old 07-09-2016, 12:54 PM   #11
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Tacoma Cream is the correct color for a late 31. There is one close up picture of a wheel with the correct color. Hopefully it is the lighting or camera that is distorting the color.
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Tacoma Cream is the correct color for a late 31. There is one close up picture of a wheel with the correct color. Hopefully it is the lighting or camera that is distorting the color.
Yes looks like someone overdid the color with a photo editor.
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Old 07-09-2016, 01:30 PM   #13
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no mater how you cut it up- a pretty good looking car too me!
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Old 07-09-2016, 01:47 PM   #14
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What this thread has done is, its just poured a pound of salt into a bleeding wound. If I had come into some money last night as planned, Sarah would be sitting next to Solomon..... after I had changed his wheel color.
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If it was such a GREAT car, it would have sold locally, NOT on E-Bay----------
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Old 07-09-2016, 02:12 PM   #16
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One has to agree, at least, he appears to be a good salesman in reporting finding absolutely no faults ..... the FBI might want to hire him. ?????
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one has to agree, at least, he appears to be a good salesman in reporting finding absolutely no faults ..... The fbi might want to hire him. ?????
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Tacoma Cream is the correct color for a late 31. There is one close up picture of a wheel with the correct color. Hopefully it is the lighting or camera that is distorting the color.
The engine is 4635034 which crosses to May 31. The Tacoma Cream wheels came in July 31. But I guess the car could have been assembled in July or later with a May motor...

http://www.mafca.com/tqa/p-31dcoupe.html

http://www.mafca.com/data_eng_production.html

It is tough to tell actual colors on this car since the photos are so overly enhanced.
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Yes, it was Photo-Shopped, wouldn't want to post a FUZZY, BLACK & WHITE pic, Model A's didn't come in those colors!---BUT, they look GOOD on Buster T.
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Beautiful car indeed! Thought I saw some obvious blue smoke as he drove away in first video. Just sayin'...
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On the serious side, somebody should be highly commended for spending lots of hours on this Model A restoration.

Most of us who have even attempted Model A renovations can imagine and appreciate the restoration time, and what incremental amounts were spent on the interior upholstery, interior and exterior paint job, parts, & tires.

Let us wish that whoever wins this auction will appreciate the true value of a Model A restoration as we know it.
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What makes a good car is very subjective. I came across a car show last Sunday and there were three or four vintage cars there. One was a lovely, grey Bugatti roadster and another was a small Renault. The Bugatti was beautiful but everything about it was too new and shiny, the interior looked brand new as did most of the parts under the bonnet. (that's the hood to most of you) The Renault was lovely, well restored but looked the part, a real 1920s car not a modern copy. If I'd had the choice of one of them to take home it would have been the Bugatti but I am so pleased that my Model A has more in common with the Renault.
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That was a beautiful car and dont let the arm chair a owners upset you some of the people on this forum have never seen an a in person
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Yes, this is a very good looking car...except for the wheel color. I do prefer the more manly black paint option.

The questions about its driveability are valid. We can see that the restorer is very talented when holding a spray gun. Is he as talented when holding a wrench?

Overall, I think a person would do well with such a vehicle. The trophies don't influence me as much as the results of a good road test would. If it's a good driver, this could be one heck of a car to own.
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As usual, some people could find fault with the Mona Lisa! A truly beautiful car. Wayne
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Appears there may be two (2) very important question to consider prior to purchasing, based on thousands of past Model A Forum comments:

1. Wonder what brand of head gasket he installed?

2. Wonder if he re-torqued the head hot or cold?
3. What oil is in the engine?
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Lots of trophy's, but will it run 60 like a factory car?
Do the brakes work?

That may sound like stupied questions, but you might be surprised at how bad some nice looking car drive. I noticed rust at the edges of the springs, now does that mean there is no lubrication between them?

It would also lose a bunch of points at a Model meet because finish of parts. I know that the AACA senior does not mean much other then the paint and interior look good and not necessarly up close.

Yes, I am being negative on this car. For those who are learning and want to buy a car these are little things to consider when you look at pictures. Too many cars look pretty and have poorly done mechanical parts. You need to look for clues as you evaluate. This car could be a super (my definitions) driving car that runs 60 MPH all day long and such, but I am skeptical till I have better reasons to think otherwise.
That's a totally inaccurate statement....did you ever put a car through the paces at an AACA event?
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It seems to be a well preserved car since wining the senior in 2004. the sellers feedback shows that his other cars he has sold from his collection were spot on regarding representation. If someone is looking for a show quality piece and willing to shell out for it this is something that may be worth checking out. (In person not just from the pics) I like what I see and the wheel color is easily fixable

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The seller also claims the car could get any award at a "MARK" event. If it was so easy, why didn't he? MARC judging is a lot more in-depth and objective than AACA
Marc fine point or touring class are u referring to??

Maybe he had to work during the week like so many others

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I know that the cars are not judged very well at the AACA meets. They do not really go over the fine points of the cars. The judging is also dependant on the area.

I have personally seen what has received senior awards and they do not have to be very good. I have looked at hundreds of AACA award winning cars of all types. The cars often looked nice, but were clearly not put together properly. Quite frankly a more then you might think are likely not too safe to drive. Please do not get me wrong, a lot were done very nice, but you can NOT judge the quality of restoration by the AACA award. That only tells you the paint looked nice and the judges did not see too much not right.

I know of one 68C that was restored by Hiberna Restorations. The car got its junior award at Hershey. It was missing the header pan. The bottom of the door windows did not have the correct rubber and you could see the rusty interior of the door. The hinge bolts for the top irons were regular hardware store bolts. Many of the fasteners and other parts with repros.

Granted the car looked pretty, it would not have faired well at a Model A meet.

I know for fact that shows are done and people cars are well judged so they can get their junior and senior awards. My father had attended some of these shows down in FL and some years ago I talked about this with upper level AACA folks and they were aware of the problem.

At the Ocean City meet many many years ago I was in charge of judging 2 high end cars. One was an older well done restoration top and bottom. The other had a fresh paint job and interior and not work done underneath. My results reflected that, the show organizers decided the car with the new paint job should get the award even though the car probably was not safe to drive.

So to answer your question, no, I have entered a car for judging. I do not care to enter a car for judging. I build the cars correct because I want to preserve history and then drive the history. Judging means little to me, I would rather be driving.

I am using this as an teaching point that some will get. Others will probably just keep calling me an A**hole.
Awards do not make a car a good car. You need to look hard at all the parts. This particular car has a bunch of warning signs that it is not the perfect car the owner is trying to make it to be. These warning signs could be an expensive mistake if you fail to look closer. The car is being marketed for top buck and is likely to need thousands of dollars of work to be a reliable safe driving car based on what is seen. One should use caution and look much closer before spending big money on this car.

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The car is parked on a slight incline. Why would they need a wheel chock on the rear wheel if the car was in gear and the hand brake engaged?

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I have AACA awards on two of my cars and on several occasions people at car shows have loked about the standards to achieve them. One person called them a Cracker Jack trophy! Wayne. .
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Personally I use a wheel chock whenever I'm on an incline, I keep it on my back floor along with some tools when I go out for a drive... My e brakes all work great but it's more of a piece mind for me. I have seen the ebrake handle ratchet pop out on a friends car once...I think the teeth had some wear...
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I'd be frightened to drive that car anywhere, the way I see it if you start off with a few blemishes here and there you arnt to worried about getting a couple more.
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First, this car is getting an awful lot of free publicity. Next time I sell a car I'm going to have someone comment on it so something similar could happen.

Second, I agree about the judging claim. Just because you did well in an AACA meet or a local meet does not mean that you would do well in a MAR(K)C meet. A person would have to do a close inspection but from my desk it looks like it would be a low to mid 400 point car, possibly higher.

Third, the chock concerns me. That incline does not look that great. Of course, I too would want to protect a garage that nice.

Fourth, the quality of the whole eBay ad is outstanding. That is a great way to sell a quality car...if not, any car over the Internet. I love the numerous photos from various angles.

Fifth, I would have to agree that 100% positive feedback after selling a few cars carries some weight. The quality of the ad and the obvious quality of the restoration would make me think that this car could be a great driver or, if gone over by someone with fine point experience, it might do very well in MAFCA/MARC judging. It would take some work but there is a pretty good start there.

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Lots of trophy's, but will it run 60 like a factory car?
Do the brakes work?

AACA shows are not skin deep dog and pony shows...The cars must also run like a watch and be fully functional... Down to every light and feature as they came off the line.
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Please explain how my never had a car judged means I do not know the process?

In the last 45 years have studied the AACA judging materials to understand what they required. At one point I was going to get certified until I helped out some at shows. I never wanted to be involved after I started getting some experience.

I think it is pretty clear I have a clue when it comes to the Model A and car restorations in general. I have looked very close at cars (all makes, but Mustang, Model A and 36 Ford) both and good and bad with AACA and Model A club. From this I was able to form some good ideas about what seems to be important to the judges.
I have seen AACA National Senior awards on cars with all hardware store bolts for fasteners. I have seen clearly under restored cars and cars with no chassis restoration (obviously worn parts) with AACA National Seniors. I have also observed many cars with obviously incorrect finishes and restoration techniques.

Please explain how this happens?
Please explain how I am not qualified to make those observations because I have never had a car judged?

So please tell me how why I should not question what goes on with the AACA judging process?
Why am I not qualified to make some conclusions about the quality of a restoration or how AACA does its judging?
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I originally responded to what you stated...nothing more nothing less::;

(Quote) AACA does not mean much other than paint and interior & not necessarily up close (Quote)

I never said that you were not qualified or you did not know what you were looking at... I was just responding to the misinformation of your statement..

Since you're very familiar with the judging process I would assume you have seen a senior AACA judging sheet and the areas it covers on an automobile... It's more than paint and interior and not from a far....

Having put a Model A through a junior, senior last year and a grand national this year, having 3 completely different groups of judges at each meet I can say they are made up of very knowledgable Model A folks that know what they are looking at...I wouldn't be suprised if many are involved in fine point also..

This particular coupe in question won the senior in 2004, many things could have been altered or changed on the vehicle since then, as well as the cars you have seen with improper hardware etc. bearing a senior badge..

How many times have we seen a senior car at a show that's won the title many years ago and the car is F**D, this doesn't mean it was in this condition when it won. Many cars had a rough life after the senior win its very sad...
Yes this car is not perfect but has been pretty well preserved since the win and u can see the owner is anal about driving it..

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All other points being equal which will get a higher score, a Model A with a modern high-gloss paint or one with original lustre paint?
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A couple of years ago I saw an ad for a Victoria for sale from the same seller. It too was a very nice looking car and described in very much the same way. I think the video is still on youtube wth others he has offered for sale. I thought he was a collector who only liked the best.
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Rob Needs. Please sir tell us the reason for your fright! Wayne
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The car is parked on a slight incline. Why would they need a wheel chock on the rear wheel if the car was in gear and the hand brake engaged?

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Probably the same reason (in California anyway) you are required to turn the wheels to the curb when parked, even with a modern.

And mistakes happen. I came out of my house ~6 months ago and my Town Sedan was GONE!! I FREAKED OUT! I ran down my driveway (which is almost flat) to the front of the house and there it was, sitting in my neighbors front yard!! Thankfully it didn't hit anything. I swear I put the Parking brake on. Honest. It did make a slight turn and missed a tree but came to rest in my neighbor's Azaleas. (Whew! scared the heck out of me!)

Now when I park I use one of those wheel chocks that Harbor Freith carries. Cheep insurance, I won it in an "Opportunity Drawing" at a Club Meeting.
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This is a result of no chocks

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force of habit, I leave it in 1st or reverse when I park in addition to the parking brake
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My two lady friend passengers handle the particulars.....the one on the outside gets out and uses a foot as a chock, the one in the middle gets out and opens the gate, the procedure is reversed when I arrive on the other side of the gate!!!!
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My two lady friend passengers handle the particulars.....the one on the outside gets out and uses a foot as a chock, the one in the middle gets out and opens the gate, the procedure is reversed when I arrive on the other side of the gate!!!!
Careful, careful.... that sounds like a situation where you might have two foots in the grave...
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Careful, careful.... that sounds like a situation where you might have two foots in the grave...
NAHHH, they enjoy the foot massage and the mouth to mouth resuscitation....and they fight over who's going to be the chock!!!...............
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force of habit, I leave it in 1st or reverse when I park in addition to the parking brake
I would think most folks probably do that, but it would not take a steep hill to overcome the compression if the E brake had an issue..
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This is a result of no chocks

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And why I pack chocks (see them in my bumpers).

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My left hand service brake handle is quite easy to bump and kick off when getting into my truck. Made for a very interesting ride off my trailer one time a few years ago. Don't think anyone witnessed it but if they had they would probably had a chuckle to see a guy ride down the ramps with his butt sticking out a half opened door.
I keep a rubber wheel chock in place when ever I am at a show so just in case it get bumped by one of any number of people I let sit in my truck during the show. Very cheap insurance against unwanted movement.
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Yes i know of this car . did the pin striping back in 2003. Car has been sitting for the last 2 years due to owners wife's health and then his. Both died last year 2 weeks apart. Daughter locked up the place and did not care what happened to the car until it came time to sell it. Smell of mildew was in the car. BODY is solid but chassis was done poorly. A lot of repro, parts that's why i told my Godfather the car went as far award wise as it can go. A.A.C.A. First jr. award was twice to get.WHAT does that tell you....Hello. i wanted to buy the car BUT i know the value and THERE IS A ASS FOR EVERY SEAT [not mine] .Blue smoke ? well has 2 years of gas in it...p.s. [1929] best you ever seen ???? you friends of his OR you never went to a MARC / MAFCA NATIONAL MEET. ! You want to see CORRECT , BEAUTIFUL RESTORED CARS... FINE POINT JUDGING CARS !
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Sold for 23,900....
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not bad Mitch- someone made a nice profit!
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It's a nice coupe but has a few flaws and he's a good salesman never to announce the possible defects, I did notice a bit of smoke but it did seem to run well, wheels looked more like Straw unless colors were off.
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Seller has had about 1300 sales and not one unhappy buyer He must be doing something right! Wayne
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Does appear to be a very nice little coupe. You can't build it for anywhere close to that selling price. Lots of fun for that kind of money.
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I feel it was worth the money...repo sheet metal, mildew smell and all... I just don't like the guy was not honest and made up a whole false charade .... Nothing wrong with saying the owners passed away and he picked it up..

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Nice profit alright .. nothing wrong with that ..but be HONEST about the car... if you notice the drivers door panel where the locking switch is there is a nice RIP starting...he did not even fixed that before selling let along dumped the OLD GAS and start new....Godfather in again turning over in his grave... He loved that car...
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Nice profit alright .. nothing wrong with that ..but be HONEST about the car... if you notice the drivers door panel where the locking switch is there is a nice RIP starting...he did not even fixed that before selling let along dumped the OLD GAS and start new....Godfather in again turning over in his grave... He loved that car...
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Yes i know of this car . did the pin striping back in 2003. Car has been sitting for the last 2 years due to owners wife's health and then his. Both died last year 2 weeks apart. Daughter locked up the place and did not care what happened to the car until it came time to sell it. Smell of mildew was in the car. BODY is solid but chassis was done poorly. A lot of repro, parts that's why i told my Godfather the car went as far award wise as it can go. A.A.C.A. First jr. award was twice to get.WHAT does that tell you....Hello. i wanted to buy the car BUT i know the value and THERE IS A ASS FOR EVERY SEAT [not mine] .Blue smoke ? well has 2 years of gas in it...p.s. [1929] best you ever seen ???? you friends of his OR you never went to a MARC / MAFCA NATIONAL MEET. ! You want to see CORRECT , BEAUTIFUL RESTORED CARS... FINE POINT JUDGING CARS !
Not a friend of the guy, also was suspicious about him stating the car was one of many of his collection, I think he is more of a salesman then an owner. I noticed he lowered his reserve, and car sold for $23,900.
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Lots of reproduction parts but good to see that a car built with lots of reproduction parts is bringing that kind of money. I am sure the smoke coming out of the tailpipe was just his carb being a little rich. All in all a very nice car. I wonder what a Henry Ford award '31 coupe would be worth? There was a nice 31 roadster that won a Henry Award four years ago that brought $58K but wonder what a coupe's value would be in the same condition?
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