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Old 12-28-2014, 01:22 AM   #1
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Default Rare Model A related parts...

Besides the rare car/truck parts that were issued or assembled on the Model A Fords, just what would you consider that rare Model A related item?

My pick would be Model A/AA issued "Lap Robes" and the "Model A Ford 3 Record Sales Promotion" set used for sales promotions.

If you can find either one of these (1 known lap robe that I know of has surfaced) you are doing quite well.

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I think the rarest part must be the cowl band for 1929 Cabriolet, not used on 1928 and is different than any of the other cowl bands used on model A's..
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How about an original battery? I had one once and sold it but haven't seen one since
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Pluck,

Last Monday I visited a well-known restorer in TN whose collection includes a 1928 roadster with serial number (frame and motor) 745. He believes it is the third earliest A known.

The headlight lenses on that car have the Ford emblem at the top, instead of the bottom as normally seen on 1928 cars. The owner says he's never seen another example of such a lens.

They've got to be pretty rare, wouldn't you say?

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-The rear splash apron used on the 30 town sedan.
-Most of the wood used in the seats, except the bases.
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Last Monday I visited a well-known restorer in TN whose collection includes a 1928 roadster with serial number (frame and motor) 745. He believe it is the third earliest A known.

The headlight lenses on that car have the Ford emblem at the top, instead of the bottom as normally seen on 1928 cars. The owner says he's never seen another example of such a lens.

They've got to be pretty rare, wouldn't you say?
Those were being reproduced, there was one on eBay not to long ago
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Old 12-28-2014, 12:37 PM   #7
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Besides the rare car/truck parts that were issued or assembled on the Model A Fords, just what would you consider that rare Model A related item?

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With the question being not issued or assembled at the factory I would say the fender lights introduced in 1929 might be among the rare.
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here are a few really rare parts
28-29 fender lamp
A400 ash trays
ford script speedometer (no others have surfaced)
VE ames horn with tag on top of projector and ford script lens (original)
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here are some more rare parts
script drum tail light cover
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I think anything with FORD script is rare. I would love to get ahold of a distributor body/cap along with the 4 connectors to the plugs!....
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Last Monday I visited a well-known restorer in TN whose collection includes a 1928 roadster with serial number (frame and motor) 745. He believes it is the third earliest A known.

The headlight lenses on that car have the Ford emblem at the top, instead of the bottom as normally seen on 1928 cars. The owner says he's never seen another example of such a lens.

They've got to be pretty rare, wouldn't you say?
There was an ORIGINAL set that just sold on E-Bay yesterday 12/27 ( Auction #221640749615) for just over $300.00..
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There was an ORIGINAL set that just sold on E-Bay yesterday 12/27 ( Auction #221640749615) for just over $300.00..
Judging from how he had the description worded, I suspect he had no idea what he had. I bet he was pleasantly surprised with the winning bid!
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Town Car Clock/Cigar lighter?
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here are a few really rare parts
28-29 fender lamp
A400 ash trays
ford script speedometer (no others have surfaced)
VE ames horn with tag on top of projector and ford script lens (original)
VE rumble seat step with rubber insert
T shaped cross bar VE 29
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Do we know if that speedometer is in MPH or ??
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Were there two styles to the rubber insert on the AR rumble step plate? Bob ?
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Judging from how he had the description worded, I suspect he had no idea what he had. I bet he was pleasantly surprised with the winning bid!
No Doubt about it... I started bidding but had to take my son to BWI.to catch a flight home to Boston.. I really like to wait till the last Sec. to go for it.. I know the person that won them does also.. I really did not need them for my car, (Jan) but good trade stuff to have on hand..
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Yep, I'd say that proves they're rare! Wow...
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I'll ad my vote for the fender lamps. This thread is the first time I have actually seen one.
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I'll ad my vote for the fender lamps. This thread is the first time I have actually seen one.
Again, right here on the barn was one for sale in the last week or two..
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Were there two styles to the rubber insert on the AR rumble step plate? Bob ?
I'm not aware of a second style. The one Tom shows in his photo is exactly like the one I have and also the same as the original ones off my friend's A745 Sport Coupe. If there is a second variation, I would be interested to see what it looks like.
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Do samples of 28/29 Phaeton rubber Top-rest hole Body Plugs count as being rare?
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Neat thread Steve!

Latest Hemmings Muscle Car magazine has an article about a fellow out near Spokane, who has a nice size Shelby collection BUT the highlight of his collection isn't so much the cars as it is the original parts, literature, showroom articles etc. etc. Amazing.

Neat to see this in Model A related collections also, like that guy out in Ohio in Peter Winewisser's Model A book, fun to see his stuff. I enjoyed seeing Mot's pictures neat stuff!
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I'll post a photo Tuesday, wish we could lift the body to see what the chassis number is on this AR with so many early features. Is the light switch with instructions stamped in it rare?
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I'm not aware of a second style. The one Tom shows in his photo is exactly like the one I have and also the same as the original ones off my friend's A745 Sport Coupe. If there is a second variation, I would be interested to see what it looks like.
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What is the engine # of this Early A. ?? What are some of the other features ?? So you have both a Phaeton and a Roadster that are Early Cars ??

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I have an original "Draw Bar" (trailer hitch) which takes a trailer with a flat tongue and a clevis pin goes through it.
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[QUOTE=Roadster62;1005956]I'll post a photo Tuesday, wish we could lift the body to see what the chassis number is on this AR with so many early features. Is the light switch with instructions stamped in it rare?[/QUOTE]

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Is a Ford script brase-bronze bush that was in a flywheel instead of a bearing rare , ??Untill i saw the Ford script just thought some home made piece , Also the Russian Gaz carby is rare , Have seen the Model B version .
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Window regulator for a 255A Delivery was the most rare part I ever had. Bob
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Do we know if that speedometer is in MPH or ??
It looks like a MPH one to me , The Kilometer one's I have seen have KILO in small letters inside the Zero, But I have never seen one with Ford Script.
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It looks like a MPH one to me , The Kilometer one's I have seen have KILO in small letters inside the Zero, But I have never seen one with Ford Script.
Could that be an aftermarket face plate? It sure looks newer than the rest of the speedometer.
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Skeezixx, can you post photos of your drawbar? My leatherback has one but it's made from a Model T rear cross member.
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How about a NOS open car rear view mirror bracket for the first 1928 car to mid 1928.
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Sure!
The trailer ball is a later addition and wouldn't have been there originally. The original trailer tongue would have been flat and would have gone into the channel and the pin would fit through both plates.

It looks homemade but isn't although it would be simple to duplicate:
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All of those items are quite rare. I located the "cheap" water pump Ford used. It is unique and in 50 years this is the first one I've seen and it was on an engine that I bought. I am running an article on it in the next issue. Notice no lube fittings, and it used a bushing in the front portion rather than a bearing.
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The 1928 Tail light Bracket that is Ford Script, the outer gas gauge nut, the instrument panel with out counter sunk lower holes, the early speedometer, the script banana end pop out, & lots more......
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Besides the rare car/truck parts that were issued or assembled on the Model A Fords, just what would you consider that rare Model A related item?

My pick would be Model A/AA issued "Lap Robes" and the "Model A Ford 3 Record Sales Promotion" set used for sales promotions.

If you can find either one of these (1 known lap robe that I know of has surfaced) you are doing quite well.

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here are a few really rare parts
28-29 fender lamp
A400 ash trays
ford script speedometer (no others have surfaced)
VE ames horn with tag on top of projector and ford script lens (original)
VE rumble seat step with rubber insert
T shaped cross bar VE 29
VE rear motor mounts
Tom,..I should have bought that darn speedo,...boy do I regret that,
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There was an ORIGINAL set that just sold on E-Bay yesterday 12/27 ( Auction #221640749615) for just over $300.00..
Fred,...I didn't think they were worth that much!.....need to check
my NOS ones...

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Do samples of 28/29 Phaeton rubber Top-rest hole Body Plugs count as being rare?
Brent,....A fellow here on the Barn just bought an NOS set,...would
be a good part too repop?!
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Brent,....A fellow here on the Barn just bought an NOS set,...would
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All of those items are quite rare. I located the "cheap" water pump Ford used. It is unique and in 50 years this is the first one I've seen and it was on an engine that I bought. I am running an article on it in the next issue. Notice no lube fittings, and it used a bushing in the front portion rather than a bearing.
John, have you looked for a print for that water pump?

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Fender lights are extremely rare.
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How many of these have you seen?
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Nice "jewelry!! #1, 3, 4, & 5, are pictures of items I either have in my shop now, --or just sent out. Not sure what I am missing on image #2. Are #6 & 7 export items?
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what lens is in the fender light?? i have a 28/9 cowl light with a mini 28 fluted lens thanks
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Is this Rare? , I started a thread ""Ford clock made USA ""image.jpg
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No timing pin hole???? Yes you are correct, notice timing pin boss in picture 3

The instruction sheet was in the envelope that hung from choke knob. These were the first instructions offered for the "New Ford" by Ford Canada.
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maybe picture 2 goes with 3 ?, timing pin directly into a dimple on flywheel?
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All of those items are quite rare. I located the "cheap" water pump Ford used. It is unique and in 50 years this is the first one I've seen and it was on an engine that I bought. I am running an article on it in the next issue. Notice no lube fittings, and it used a bushing in the front portion rather than a bearing.
Page 339 of the service bulletin 's show's this pump .
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Page 339 of the service bulletin 's show's this pump .
Yes, that is true but if I recall correctly, it does not show a print, --or more to the point, an assembly drawing print or even a print for that specific bushing. It has been awhile since I looked at that page in the S/B but I think it actually lists the bushing number. What I was curious about, was if there is an M-Spec listed for that bushing on the print(s) to see exactly what the composition was. Again, I have not thought about this in awhile but I am thinking Ford was beginning to use greaseless bushings in quite a few areas of the car (brake distributors, etc.) and I was just curious as to knowing if the bushing material was the same.
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Yes, that is true but if I recall correctly, it does not show a print, --or more to the point, an assembly drawing print or even a print for that specific bushing. It has been awhile since I looked at that page in the S/B but I think it actually lists the bushing number. What I was curious about, was if there is an M-Spec listed for that bushing on the print(s) to see exactly what the composition was. Again, I have not thought about this in awhile but I am thinking Ford was beginning to use greaseless bushings in quite a few areas of the car (brake distributors, etc.) and I was just curious as to knowing if the bushing material was the same.
As to the bushing spec I do not know, but find it interesting that in the May S/B Page 454, shows going back to the roller bearing and lube fittings, maybe the plain bushing was not a success.
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It is kind of hard to find an original Ford Bakelite 'Mushroom' gear shift knob for the early '28 Model A. I had one on my Dec.'27 Tudor, and I still have one now in my collection of unique 'A' stuff.
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A set of K-D Model No. 22 Side lamps. They screw to the door post on 28/29 closed cars around the center door hinge. Has the vertical lens similar to the fluted 28. Would be better than fender lights because with those, your wife can't sit on the fender.

Also, Simpson's Snappers. Installed on the rim and if the tire gets low, they will snap while driving. I have a set that says they were made for the "new Ford". They were made here in Wichita and even going to the historical museum I can't find any information on the company. Must have been a "fly by night" outfit.
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I don't understand this flywheel housing...

It's set-up for the VE style timing, but uses the 3rd style housing?
Also,...it uses the 2nd style inspection shield..

What gives?

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Never have even seen a picture of one like it before ??.. A little re-work ??..
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This was the flywheel housing that was fitted to *CA67*
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Steve Plucker, I also have an original Lap Robe in my 30 Town Sedan. Now you know of two of these.
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Early rubber fender step pad has Ford script in the center square, and light switch with instructions. Bob
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An original unmodified ABELL starter, and an NOS FORD script ABELL pinion.
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in post 16, there is a Picture from early Top.. Note the Boss , for Lock pin to the Distributor.
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in post 16, there is a Picture from early Top.. Note the Boss , for Lock pin to the Distributor.
http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52070
Actually those heads are pretty common now....


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image.jpgThis an accessory automatic choke. I got this years ago from an old Ford dealership. One end attaches to the carb and the other end rests against the exhaust manifold. I put it on my 30 coupe once to see if it worked. It did.
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Hi Skeezixx,

Thank you for the photos. Here is my setup.

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All of those items are quite rare. I located the "cheap" water pump Ford used. It is unique and in 50 years this is the first one I've seen and it was on an engine that I bought. I am running an article on it in the next issue. Notice no lube fittings, and it used a bushing in the front portion rather than a bearing.
John,

I'm interested to learn more about this pump because I ran across one this afternoon. I probably wouldn't have even given it a second look had it not been for your post here. What's the story?
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