Restoration Qs... trunk / rumble

[d.j. moordigian]

Is there a piece of wood, on either side, that runs front to back, to support
the card board? This would be midway up and bolted to the upright support.
I think it would look like a " lathing strip ". Thanks

[Tom Wesenberg]

Yes, there is, but I don't have a picture of it.

[Doug Cox]

Is this what you are looking for... If not have have more photos that I can post

[d.j. moordigian]

Perfect..Tom & Doug...Thank you

[Steve Plucker]

There is also a photo of it in the Ford Service Bulletins, Page 396 and 402.

Pluck

[Dennis Pereira]

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There's also two metal strips at the top under or behind rain gutter

[d.j. moordigian]

Steve.. just now looked it up, great, do you think it runs to the " B " pillar on a rdster?

[Steve Plucker]

I would amigine that they all ran in the same direction, from point A to point B within the compartment no matter what model.

Pluck

[d.j. moordigian]

Dennis..I don't have those strips of tin, do they bolt to the inside of the rain gutter?
What year , I don't think the body style makes a difference ? Boy, it does make sense
now. Dudley

[Dennis Pereira]

Dudley I'm going by memory ha I think they went between the gutter and T strip they came out of a 28-29 coupe to hold the cardboard at the top. Hung a inch or so below the gutter.

[d.j. moordigian]

Dennis...My car was never apart ( but now in the proses ) and I have owned it about 45 yrs. I will look tonight and let you know. Thanks

Dennis..
If you look at Doug Cox car , there is a small tap.

Doug..
Nice rumble area, btw

[Doug Cox]

Here are a few more photos of the rumble area after body work and epoxy primer...

[mrtexas]

Originally Posted by Doug Cox

Is this what you are looking for... If not have have more photos that I can post

Thanks for the photos, I'm restoring this area in a 29 roadster.

[d.j. moordigian]

Dennis...My tin strips are bolted to the inside, closest to the wheel wells, didn't know
they were there.

Doug...28-29 VS 30-31, same thing only slightly different, I now know were I am going.
Nice tin work( repop?), the wheel wells look like they were a work out.

Thanks for all the help, Dudley

[Doug Cox]

If you are not too far along, the here is something to consider. For sound deadening, and you might say water proofing as well, I added some inexpensive “fixes.” I first cut templates out of Tar paper that fit over the rear tire well and all along the rear quarter. I then spread a very thick application of roofing tar (about a ¼ inch thick) over the entire area that would be under the tar paper template. I then installed the tar paper, which acts to hold the roofing tar in place until it sets. The scrap piece of tar paper I got from a buddy and the roofing tar came from the home center in gallon cans for just a few bucks. I also did the same for the front kick panels. Just an idea and it is a lot cheaper than some of the other methods.

[Steve Plucker]

These are all the articles related to the rumble seat which have been printed up in Model A News, The Restorer and Model A Times:

DECK—REAR


A-41440: Door (deck) Assembly (without Rumble Seat)
“Deck Lid Comparison: 28-29 and 30-31”: MAN/28/6/12-13 (1981)**5
Also see: A-52435

A-41510: Plug (deck drain trough) (with rumble seat)
“More Finishing Touches”: TR/31/4/18-19 (1986)*4

A-41514: Aluminum Rear Deck Guides for Trunk and Rumble Seat
“On the Hill”: MAN/55/6/18-19 (2008)

A-41515: Aluminum Rear Deck Guides for Trunk and Rumble Seat
“On the Hill”: MAN/55/6/18-19 (2008)

A-41516: Aluminum Rear Deck Guides for Trunk and Rumble Seat
“On the Hill”: MAN/55/6/18-19 (2008)

A-41530: Deck Lid Support Arm
“Bratton’s Antique Auto…Quality”: MAT/6/1/27 (2010)


A-41563: Step (deck) on rear fender and bumper (with rumble seat)
“The Step Plates”: MAN/22/6/16-17 (1975)**3
“On the Road”: MAN/37/6/13 (1990)**7
“On the Hill…A-41563 Step Plate (deck) and Pad on Rear Fender”: MAN/56/2/34-35 (2009)
“Pictorially Yours…1928 (Location of Early Plate)”: TR/13/4/27 (1968)
“TIP…Fender Step Plate Location”: TR/24/1/20 (1979)



A-41568: Deck Step Fender Pad
“On the Hill…A-41563 Step Plate (deck) and Pad on Rear Fender”: MAN/56/2/34-35 (2009)

A-??????: Key for rumble/trunk
“On the Road”: MAN/32/6/12 (1985)
“Keying Your Model A”: MAN/56/2/26-30 (2009)

A-41605-F, G: Handle (deck door locking) Assembly
“On the Road”: MAN/32/6/10 (1985) **6
“Keying Your Model A”: MAN/56/2/26-30 (2009)

A-41655: Seat (rumble) with fittings
“Upholstery, Upholstery, What’s Wrong with My Upholstery?”: MAN/36/5/18-19 (1989)**7

A-41663: Step (deck) on rear fender and bumper (with rumble seat)
“On the Road”: MAN/37/6/13 (1990)
“Pictorially Yours…1928 (Location of Early Plate)”: TR/13/4/27 (1968)

A-41664-AR: Cardboard (deck side) R. H. – 40-A (with rumble seat)
“On the Road”: MAN/39/5/12 (1992)

A-41665-AR: Cardboard (deck side) L. H. -- 40-A (with rumble seat)
“On the Road”: MAN/39/5/12 (1992)**7

A-41664-AR: Cardboard (deck side) R.H. (with rumble seat)…(40-A)
“Schematic Drawing and Dimensions”: MAN/14/6/16-17 (1967)

A-41665-AR: Cardboard (deck side) L.H. (with rumble seat)…(40-A)
“Schematic Drawing and Dimensions”: MAN/14/6/16-17 (1967)

A-41664-B, C: Cardboard (deck side) R.H. (with rumble seat)…(40-B: Std., and De L.)
“Schematic Drawing and Dimensions”: MAN/15/2/18-19 (1968)

A-41665-B, C: Cardboard (deck side) L.H. (with rumble seat)…(40-B: Std., and De L.)
“Schematic Drawing and Dimensions”: MAN/15/2/18-19 (1968)

A-52435: Door (deck) Assembly (with Rumble Seat)
“Deck Lid Comparison: 28-29 and 30-31”: MAN/28/6/12-13 (1981)**5
Also see: A-41440
“LETTER…Inside of Deck Lid”: TR/52/5/5 (2008)
“Removing the Rumble from a Rumble Lid”: TR/54/6/20-23 (2010)

A-52664-AR: Cardboard (deck side) R.H. (with rumble seat)…(45-A, 49-A, 50-A and 60-A)
“Schematic Drawing and Dimensions”: MAN/14/6/16-17 (1967)

A-52665-AR: Cardboard (deck side) L.H. (with rumble seat)…(45-A, 49-A, 50-A, and 60-A)
“Schematic Drawing and Dimensions”: MAN/14/6/16-17 (1967)

A-52664-C: Cardboard (deck side) R.H. (with rumble seat)…(45-B Std., and 50-B)
“Schematic Drawing and Dimensions”: MAN/15/2/18-19 (1968)

A-52665-C; Cardboard (deck side) L.H. (with rumble seat)…(45-B Std., and 50-B)
“Schematic Drawing and Dimensions”: MAN/15/2/18-19 (1968)


A-52664-D: Cardboard (deck side) R.H. (with rumble seat)…(45-B De L.)
“Schematic Drawing and Dimensions”: MAN/15/2/18-19 (1968)

A-52665-D: Cardboard (deck side) L.H. (with rumble seat)…(45-B De L.)
“Schematic Drawing and Dimensions”: MAN/15/2/18-19 (1968)

A-52694: Cushion (deck seat back) assembly
“Upholstery, Upholstery, what’s Wrong with My Upholstery?”: MAN/36/5/18-19 (1989)

A-52659: Cushion (deck seat) assembly
“Upholstery, Upholstery, what’s Wrong with MY Upholstery?”: MAN/36/5/18-19 (1989)

A-70664-AR: Cardboard (deck side) R.H. (used with adjustable seat)…(68-B)
“Schematic Drawing and Dimensions”: MAN/15/2/18-19 (1968)

A-70665-AR: Cardboard (deck side) L.H. (used with adjustable seat)…(68-B)
“Schematic Drawing and Dimensions”: MAN/15/2/18-19 (1968)

A-70664-B: Cardboard (deck side) R.H. (68-C)
“Schematic Drawing and Dimensions”: MAN/15/2/18-19 (1968)

A-70665-B: Cardboard (deck side) L.H. (68-C)
“Schematic Drawing and Dimensions”: MAN/15/2/18-19 (1968)





DECK LID HANDLES
“Model A Bright Work”: MAN/28/4/4-6 (1981)
“Restoration of the Model A Door Handle and Deck Lid Handle”: TR/37/1/32-34 (1992)
“Door and Deck Lid Handles”: TR/45/6/16-21 (2001)*8

KEYS AND LOCKS
“Model A Ignition Locks”: MAN/36/6/13-15 (1989)**7
“Keying Your Model A”: MAN/56/2/26-30 (2009)
“Model A Keys and Locks”: TR/30/4/10-15 (1985)*4

RUMBLE SEAT
“How to Install a Rumble Seat”: MAN/10/2/???? (1963)
“Rumble Seat Conversion”: MAN/15/6/6-8 (1968)**2
“TIP…For Rumble Seat Conversion”: MAN/16/4/22-23 (1969)**2
“Upholstery, Upholstery, What’s Wrong with My Upholstery?”: MAN/36/5/18-19 (1989)**7
“The TUXAWAY Overhead cover for Rumble seat”: TR/1/6/51 (1957)
“The TUXAWAY Rumble Seat Top”: TR/10/6/12-16 (1966)
“Rumble Seat Installation”: TR/20/1/18 (1975)*3
“TIP…Rumble Seat Brackets”: TR/21/4/5 (1976)*3
“Installing A Rumble Seat”: TR/34/5/16-18 (1990)
“McLean’s Rumble Seat Top (Pamphlet)”: TR/45/3/14 (2000)
“Removing the Rumble from a Rumble Lid”: TR/54/6/20-23 (2010)
“Rumble Seat Belt Installation”: MAT/3/1/20 (2007)

OTHER ARTICLES ON THE “DECK—REAR”
“Pictorially Yours…1928”: TR/13/4/27 (1968)

[Roadster62]

I wonder if the tar & tar paper application should have been done after the inside of the body was painted?

[Doug Cox]

After three heavy coats of epoxy primer, I figured the inside was good enough. I made a steel square tubing sub frame to support the body allowing me to easily get to every nook and cranny. So no I did not put the roofing tar over bare metal. A good catch if I was not clear on my other post,, thanks

[Kevin - Illinois]

Wow Pluck, that was a really good post! Thanks for taking the time to do that!

[Richard Lorenz]

I have a late '31 coupe that does not show any indication of the wood strips ever being installed. The vertical steel bars have the proper holes for the wood strip. This car has the trunk lid, not the rumbleseat. Were the strips used as late as '31, and were they used with the trunk lid arrangement? Thanks.

[TedG]

I knew about the wood & metal strips but can't find sizes anywhere.

On the wood the length is easy to figure out but what is the width and thickness of the wood strips?

Dennis thanks for the pics of the metal ones now I know what I need to do.

[d.j. moordigian]

Ted,
I came up with 5/16 X 1 1/4 and of VERY good material , Maple or Oak, couldn't
put my finger nail in it.
Dudley

[wrndln]

Dudley,
Did you get the dimensions for the wood strips in the rumble seat area? I see you think they are 5/16" x 1 1/4" wood. How long are they, or do you know? Dennis Pereira sent me a nice sketch of the thin metal strips that fit between the trunk rain gutters and the T strips. He has been very helpful when I need something. If you find out the dimensions, which I think are different than 30/31's, please let me know. I am still not sure quite how the side panels are fastened to the wood strips, the thin metal pieces and at the bottom.
Thanks,
Rusty

[d.j. moordigian]

Rusty,
Arrived at that size from a small piece that was still held on by the flat head
screw behind the rumble pivot bracket at the rear of the body. Also another
screw an nut( no wood ) on the forward vertical brace, in front of the wheel well. The length, ? , Marco's
goes just past the forward vertical on his 30-31 rdst, my car is 28 rdst .

How are the card board panels held? Not sure, I still have cb stuck in the upper
part...maybe " faith " wedged top and bottom, I think Mr. Rude would know.
Take care, Dudley

[wrndln]

Dudley,
I am thinking more and more that the upper edge of the side panels are just wedged up between the rain gutter and the metal strips with 4 mounting hole in them. I noticed on my coupe the rain gutter is about 3/16" to 1/4" wider than the T strips. Once the metal strips are attached on the quarter panel side like you think they are, the side panels could be wedged in between the rain gutter and the strips. Maybe someone will response with "real" info on this.
Rusty

[Ron in Quincy]

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Sorry, I'm so slow getting back; just received the message.

The wood strips in the rumble area of my Feb. 29 Roadster measure:

29 3/4" long
! 3/4" wide
!/4 " thick.

They appear to be oak ? but are a hard wood.

Ron

[Steve Plucker]

Richard,

If your car was originally a trunk, then I highly doubt it very much, say 99.99999999%, that the wooden strips were not assigned to cars with trunks.

However, as you say, you should have the holes just incase it was to be switched to a rumbleseat.

Pluck

[d.j. moordigian]

Ron in Quincy,

Sir, thank you for your response, Rusty and I would like to know how the card board
is installed in the rumble area, what hold it in? Thank you,Dudley

[d.j. moordigian]

Steve,

Are you saying, no card board in the trunk area? I never looked!

Dudley

[Ron in Quincy]

The wood in my 29 Roadster is positioned just like the photo Dave Cox posted.

My wood measures:

29- 3/4 " long
1-3/4 " wide
1/4 " thick

It is a hard wood ? ( not a wood person ) maybe oak

Ron

[TedG]

Dudley,

Thanks for checking on that for me. Originally I think they may have been Ash, nice straight grain & stable, but as I stated in the PM the parts book lists a # but the footnote reads to be made locally, so I suppose replacements may have been made of whatever was on hand. Fabbed up the metal pieces now I just need to whittle out the wooden ones.

Ted

[Ron in Quincy]

There is no panels in my Roadster rumble area; it has a regular trunk lid.

Possible sometime in the past it was going to be converted to a rumble lid ?

Seem to recall from years ago seeing original panels secured with wood screws with eyelets ? Labron-Bonney probable shows in their catalog the attachment hardware ? I don't have a catalog.

Ron

[TedG]

Ron in Quincy,

You are correct, accordind to the rumble seat conversion info in both Les Andrews book and How to Restore your Model A, screws through the panels into the wood strips.

Ted