Station Wagon Questions

[foxfire42]

What kind of door check was used on the passenger and drivers doors? Anyone have a picture? Is it like the Coupe, Tudor etc only with the keeper screwed to the wood door rather than riveted or more like a rubber strap?

How is the outside rear view mirror attached? I've seen a couple that use a carriage bolt on the outside and Tee Nuts on the inside see below. BUT! how in the world are the bolts screwed into the nuts? The are no flat sides to use a wrench. If the Tee Nuts are screwed in they will chew up the wood. See pictures below. The carriage bolts do not have a slot for a screw driver although it may appear as if they do. The JS's are not clear about the inside nuts.

[Vic in E-TN]

Interesting.
I put a passenger's side mirror on mine the same as the driver's side. It had a 1.25 in #12 oval head wood screw. They were very hard to find and I ordered a few from Bolt Depot in stainless steel.

In looking at yours it seem like you could find or make a tool to remove the insert. Hopefully it does not have a pair of claws to keep it from turning.

Vic

[Bruce]

I am reassembling a 150-B right now and have begged photos and taken some, too. Here's a '31 that is a Henry winner. A '30 would have a black stand, bolts and nuts.
Also, a current Henry winning wagon is being displayed at the Model A Ford Museum at Hickory Corners.
If you join Woody Wagons, a Special Interest Region of MARC and Chapter of MFCA, you can ask questions of folks who have lived through the ordeal of restoring a woody. Back issues of Wagon Wheels are available sometimes. They are a great resource.
Send $15 to Wagon Wheels, P.O. Box 341, McAllen, TX 78505.

[CarlG]

In the picture shown in post #1, it appears that the T-nuts are the kind that do not have a tang on the back side that prevents them from turning, but rather are made to turn in a recessed hole, using what appears to be a couple of small holes on either side that use a spanner type wrench that just fits the holes in order to turn them tight.

[Bruce]

Here is a pic of the front door holdbacks.

[foxfire42]

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Thanks everyone. I now have a much better grasp on these two mysteries. One problem is trying to find T nuts without the tangs. Failing that I may have to look up Bolt Depot and go with wood screws.

[ctlikon0712]

I believe the 29 to mid 30 had the mirror on the cab post and mid 30 and later it was installed on the wooden door.

[Mike V. Florida]

Originally Posted by foxfire42

What kind of door check was used on the passenger and drivers doors? Anyone have a picture? Is it like the Coupe, Tudor etc only with the keeper screwed to the wood door rather than riveted or more like a rubber strap?

How is the outside rear view mirror attached? I've seen a couple that use a carriage bolt on the outside and Tee Nuts on the inside see below. BUT! how in the world are the bolts screwed into the nuts? The are no flat sides to use a wrench. If the Tee Nuts are screwed in they will chew up the wood. See pictures below. The carriage bolts do not have a slot for a screw driver although it may appear as if they do. The JS's are not clear about the inside nuts.

Are these not the same type used in hand saws and some guns?

[Marco Tahtaras]

What you are looking at here are slotted cone nuts. In this case the screw length allows for these to be snugged with an ordinary screw driver.

With that said, I have no idea if it's correct. I'm a bit skeptical. Have you talked to Tim Johnstone? I would think he'd have some info after all these years.

Ok, after looking closer they MAY have pin holes instead of slots. If that's the case then there is no way they are correct.

[ctlikon0712]

That is a nice pic Marco. I would question them also; I have never seen a 150B with what looks like a black seal in the window area either. Also those screws aren’t familiar to me either.
After reviewing my folders that pic appears to be a Special Delivery with the roll up windows in the door. Here is a pic of one with the interior painted.

[foxfire42]

ctlikon0712, good eye. The pictures are a Special Delivery. I assumed the rear view mirror would be attached the same on both vehicles. The only difference being the length of the carriage bolts because of door thickness. If they are different or these are not correct as Marco alluded to I need to know. Should the inside be nuts rather than T-nuts. If so, are washers used?

[Marco Tahtaras]

As I said, what the example has are NOT "T" nuts. They are significantly different.

Now back to my other question. Have you talked with Tim? I can't imagine doing a car like this without networking with those that focus on these.

[Boston Bruce]

Originally Posted by Bruce

Here is a pic of the front door holdbacks.

Those are great for smacking your knee getting in and out of the vehicle!

[foxfire42]

I have not contacted Tim J. I was hoping The Barn could answer the questions faster than writing to Mr. Johnstone. Time is my enemy. I also don't know what number to reach him on and don't feel comfortable calling him at his work location.

[31 Woody]

Our '31 is original and the mirror matches the picture posted by Bruce.

Originally Posted by Bruce

I am reassembling a 150-B right now and have begged photos and taken some, too. Here's a '31 that is a Henry winner. A '30 would have a black stand, bolts and nuts.
Also, a current Henry winning wagon is being displayed at the Model A Ford Museum at Hickory Corners.
If you join Woody Wagons, a Special Interest Region of MARC and Chapter of MFCA, you can ask questions of folks who have lived through the ordeal of restoring a woody. Back issues of Wagon Wheels are available sometimes. They are a great resource.
Send $15 to Wagon Wheels, P.O. Box 341, McAllen, TX 78505.

[jw hash]

Barb
I have some of the nuts. Marco is correct they have pin holes in them, the A-400 used the same nuts on the very front top iron to the header screws the other two were wood screws. I used another type of T nut on my top. they are 1/4-20. I will see my machinist buddy tomorrow and see if he can make some out of stainless.