Choke rod question.

[0rg0]

Hi All, recently acquired a decent 1930 fordor. It has been sitting a long long time. I think it qualifies as a survivor. It's mostly original, and untouched. It runs and drives, but needs some loving. It has a tilly carb on it, and the choke rod is not hooked up. I can't figure out how to hook this thing up. Maybe I'm missing a part or something ? Could someone explain ? Maybe post a picture ?
2 people to start it is getting old.

Thanks in advance.

[peters180a/170b]

Orgo , your best bet is to get a parts book from Bratton's and buy what you see and need...A well done parts book . you have a rod , a spring , a chock rod sleeve , 3 grommets [ 1 on the gas tank , the firewall has 1 metal cup washer with a leather washer . At the end of the chock rod on the carb. you need carb. adj. needle driver and air shutter lever. Or from SNYDER'S parts you can buy your parts...

[0rg0]

I have all that stuff, but can't for the life of me figure out how to connect the choke rod to the needle driver ? I could come up with something to make it work, but would like to do it the proper way.

[Bob C]

There's a notch in the end of the choke rod and a corresponding one on the carb, just put then together and
slide the sleeve down to hold them together.

Bob

[Tom Wesenberg]

Starting inside the cab, slide the choke rod through the tank bracket, which should have a rubber grommet, then through the firewall. Now go under the hood and install the leather washer, then the thin steel washer against the leather, then the spring, then the steel tube with the flare against the spring. Push the steel tube up to compress the spring while you hook the end of the choke rod to the carb, then let the spring push the tube down to keep the ends locked together. Now you should be able to pull for choke and turn for gas mixture.

[0rg0]

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Ok, I tired that, and it worked for a couple days, but comes apart after that. Maybe just a lot of wear on it or something.

[BILL WILLIAMSON]

Maybe the spring needs to be stretched for more tension?? Bill W.

[Patrick L.]

How does it come apart ?? Even Mother Nature[gravity] would probably keep the sleeve in place.. But, its like Tom said, spring tension will keep the sleeve over the rod and needle.. Maybe if you post a picture,, we could see what is happening..

[0rg0]

I didn't have a chance to look at it last night. Will be on it tonight though. I will see if I can make it work. If not, I will post a pic.

Thanks for the help so far ! I've had lots of old cars, but this is my first model a. Stay tuned for many more questions!

[Napa Skip]

"A picture is worth a thousand words," and we're bumping up around 600 here. Please post a photo of your carburetor (without the choke rod "hooked up") so we can see what you're dealing with.

[0rg0]

Ok, here is what I have. I was thinking something might be assembled wrong on this. Works fine at first, but comes apart.







Please disregard the fuel line. That's how I got it.

[Tom Wesenberg]

Why is there a double choke driver?
Remove the top one and slide the choke rod down and couple it to the driver on the carb.

[Patrick L.]

OK, now it seems to make sense.. Like Tom mentioned, it looks as though there are 2 choke drivers.. Remove the whole sleeve assembly.. One the end of the choke rod you will see a notch and on the end of the carburetor needle you will see a similar notch.. The spring then holds down pressure on the sleeve which slides over both choke rod and adjustment needle once the notches and lugs are connected..

[Napa Skip]

It appears (in the last/bottom photo) that the upper choke driver may have been pinned to the choke/GAV rod. Has the rod been modified? How far into the cab (past the gas tank) does your rod extend?

[0rg0]

The second choke driver is actually someones half ass attempt at running an oil pressure line into the cab.

I'm in the process of removing the gas tank for cleaning, and repair. So will need to take the whole works apart. I'll get some better pics of it then.

[Bob C]

There not talking about the oil line. You have two needle drivers on your choke.

Bob

[0rg0]

Hmm, interesting. Now we're getting somewhere. Could someone post a pic of how it's supposed to look ?

[Bob C]

Here is a picture from RockHillWill's web site.

Bob

[Napa Skip]

Here's a couple of photos from my 1930 coupe; the upper photo shows the choke rod-to-choke/GAV connection with the sleeve "keeper" removed:

Carb detail 2.jpg

Carb detail 1.jpg

[0rg0]

ok, make perfect sense now. thanks so much guys.

[0rg0]

So I would assume it's sticking out too far inside the cab ?

[Tom Wesenberg]

Originally Posted by Bob C

Here is a picture from RockHillWill's web site.

Bob

I'm surprized to see how far down into the groove the belt is on the fan. I hope the pulley isn't broken at the spot welds. I bought a fan at a swap meet once where the spot welds had come apart on the pulley.

[Brentwood Bob]

there are also several lengths to the choke rod. bob

[Napa Skip]

"So I would assume it's sticking out too far inside the cab ?"

It's sometimes difficult to judge based on the angle at which the photo was taken, but it appears to be further into the cab than that on my 1930 coupe (see photo below, although - again - the angle isn't the greatest) - perhaps by the length of a choke driver (cheap shot).

Also, as pointed out by Brentwood Bob above, there are [at least] two different rod lengths; 26" for 1928-29 and 28-1/2" for 1930-31, although it doesn't appear that you have the shorter choke rod.

Choke-GAV 7-20-12.jpg

[peters180a/170b]

Napa skip , The pin on the second needle driver is correct for 1928 to sept.,1930 ..It is not pinned to the choke rod.

[Napa Skip]

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"...pin...is correct for 1928 to sept., 1930..."

Which - had I bothered to look at the illustration on page 1-11 Revised 2011 of the Model A Judging Standards - I should have known. Thanks for the correction.

[Harley03joe]

Originally Posted by 0rg0

I have all that stuff, but can't for the life of me figure out how to connect the choke rod to the needle driver ? I could come up with something to make it work, but would like to do it the proper way.

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