Another new H.A.M.B. guy.

[Hitchhiker]

Originally Posted by Mike V. Florida

What you are looking to do is called a Restomod. It is a car that has the same outside and inside as originally built but with updated mechanicals as if the car was factory built in receint times.

You should get answers to your questions on the A forum, but not for the mechanical section of your car.

What I really want is two cars, a restored one and a authentically finished hot rod that uses the same techniques and finishes you would find common when all the parts used to build my car would have been manufactured. This means on all the parts I intend to use on my 1931 model A. All of the parts need to be finished to their factory specification. whether it's the 31 A frame or the 36 front axle or the model B Banger or the 42 Flathead.(not sure which one i'm using) or the wood and paint finish, fasteners, etc. I want it all to be exact. I know it's crazy, but it's what I want. I don't really fit here, but I don't really fit there either.....

[Roadster62]

Hitchhiker, if I can step in with another view maybe others will understand. I think what you are trying to is step back in time and build a Hot Rod as you would if you were alive in 1939 using the parts that were available in 1939 and nothing later.Go with the 4Banger that flathead deal is way overdone IMO.

[tamagrouchy]

Hey Hitchhiker. I believe I understand what you are trying to achieve. I see a couple of period Model A hot rods out and they are very cool. Despite the push back from some, since you are doing something right in the middle, these folks can help you with the Model A details. I believe what you're trying to build is a very early hot rod that a guy would've built just before WWII. A bone stock Model A with as many customizing/hop up mods you could do for little or no $$ ? Since you are not cutting anything, no one should get bent outta shape since you are not destroying anything. Best of luck and keep me (and anyone else who's interested) posted with pix and updates. I for one will try to answer any of your questions that I can. I hope the others do the same. Harry K

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Originally Posted by Hitchhiker

What I really want is ...a authentically finished hot rod...

I don't really fit here, but I don't really fit there either.....

Matt, the Jalopy Journal (H.A.M.B) mission statement says they are catering to owners of the traditional hot rod. You fit on that forum exactly as it was intended! A 'hot rod' back in 1939 was NOT a restored car with everything rebuilt back to factory specs using original fasteners. If you chose to go that route, it was not a 'hot rod' any longer but a custom. All of this has been discussed in great lengths there, --and I know for a fact there are knowledgable people at that site who can correctly guide you in all that you are seeking answers to.

Since I am a member of both forums, I am more open-minded with regard to your type of car so I am not offended however I think your timing has opened the box that might need to be addressed by the moderators. Like I mentioned to you privately, comparing Fordbarn and H.A.M.B. forums is very much like a restaurant with a smoking section and a non-smoking section. A non-smoker can get offended if a smoker chooses to smoke a cigarette in their presence when they are in an area reserved for non-smoking. I know I do. Now please don't misunderstand me and construe me as a "snob", --or someone who hates all people that smoke cigarettes. This analogy is shown for you and others to realize that many "restorers" do not dislike "hot rodders" but it does cause discomfort for them when they see a vehicle being modified in a manner such as a 'hot rod'. I believe Ryan has publicly stated that the Fordbarn Model A forum is about Restoration and the H.A.M.B. would be for hot rods & customs. Click HERE and scroll down to post #14 to reference that. Some of us will have dual-membership of both sites where we can openly discuss both types of cars in their respective communities without offense to others, and I think many 'restorers' are on the edge about the new site since this offending issue is apparently becoming more prevalent.

Have you ever noticed how most 'critters' can co-exist peacefully in the forest when they respect each other's territories!!

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[Hitchhiker]

Originally Posted by BRENT in 10-uh-C

Matt, the Jalopy Journal (H.A.M.B) mission statement says they are catering to owners of the traditional hot rod. You fit on that forum exactly as it was intended! A 'hot rod' back in 1939 was NOT a restored car with everything rebuilt back to factory specs using original fasteners. If you chose to go that route, it was not a 'hot rod' any longer but a custom. All of this has been discussed in great lengths there, --and I know for a fact there are knowledgable people at that site who can correctly guide you in all that you are seeking answers to.

Since I am a member of both forums, I am more open-minded with regard to your type of car so I am not offended however I think your timing has opened the box that might need to be addressed by the moderators. Like I mentioned to you privately, comparing Fordbarn and H.A.M.B. forums is very much like a restaurant with a smoking section and a non-smoking section. A non-smoker can get offended if a smoker chooses to smoke a cigarette in their presence when they are in an area reserved for non-smoking. I know I do. Now please don't misunderstand me and construe me as a "snob", --or someone who hates all people that smoke cigarettes. This analogy is shown for you and others to realize that many "restorers" do not dislike "hot rodders" but it does cause discomfort for them when they see a vehicle being modified in a manner such as a 'hot rod'. I believe Ryan has publicly stated that the Fordbarn Model A forum is about Restoration and the H.A.M.B. would be for hot rods & customs. Click HERE and scroll down to post #14 to reference that. Some of us will have dual-membership of both sites where we can openly discuss both types of cars in their respective communities without offense to others, and I think many 'restorers' are on the edge about the new site since this offending issue is apparently becoming more prevalent.

Have you ever noticed how most 'critters' can co-exist peacefully in the forest when they respect each other's territories!!

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Brent at this point you are the one being disrespectful. I'm sorry that your buttons have been pushed. You obviously have a vendetta to settle. Why do you feel the need to chase people off. you may be the 2500 person to join the HAMB....but I post more than you. I will say this one last time. IT DOES NOT CONTAIN THE INFO I SEEK.

I am more here to search the archives, but...

I WILL be Posting questions that pertain to the fit and finish of a model a and how it applies to what I am building, I will NOT be posting Hot rod modifications.

How is what I am building a custom? it's far from it......

I've already removed the pictures you found offensive. What more do you want? Let's get this out in the open. I'm tired of your PM"s. If you want me to leave. Then stand up, be a man, and say it.

[Hitchhiker]

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Originally Posted by Roadster62

Hitchhiker, if I can step in with another view maybe others will understand. I think what you are trying to is step back in time and build a Hot Rod as you would if you were alive in 1939 using the parts that were available in 1939 and nothing later.Go with the 4Banger that flathead deal is way overdone IMO.

exactly! That's why I want the details to be perfect. The HAMB doesn't cater to those details.

Originally Posted by tamagrouchy

Hey Hitchhiker. I believe I understand what you are trying to achieve. I see a couple of period Model A hot rods out and they are very cool. Despite the push back from some, since you are doing something right in the middle, these folks can help you with the Model A details. I believe what you're trying to build is a very early hot rod that a guy would've built just before WWII. A bone stock Model A with as many customizing/hop up mods you could do for little or no $$ ? Since you are not cutting anything, no one should get bent outta shape since you are not destroying anything. Best of luck and keep me (and anyone else who's interested) posted with pix and updates. I for one will try to answer any of your questions that I can. I hope the others do the same. Harry K

Thanks Grouchy that's exactly what I mean. I'm not coming here to show off my hot rod, but to learn how to properly restore an A and then apply those finishes to my hot rod.

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Originally Posted by Hitchhiker

Brent at this point you are the one being disrespectful. I'm sorry that your buttons have been pushed. You obviously have a vendetta to settle. Why do you feel the need to chase people off. you may be the 2500 person to join the HAMB....but I post more than you. I will say this one last time. IT DOES NOT CONTAIN THE INFO I SEEK.

I am more here to search the archives, but...

I WILL be Posting questions that pertain to the fit and finish of a model a and how it applies to what I am building, I will NOT be posting Hot rod modifications.

How is what I am building a custom? it's far from it......

I've already removed the pictures you found offensive. What more do you want? Let's get this out in the open. I'm tired of your PM"s. If you want me to leave. Then stand up, be a man, and say it.

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This is unreal...........
First, my intention is not, --nor was it ever for you to leave Matt. I did not say that!! And, I am not chasing you anywhere. Again, you are putting words in my mouth.

Second, I do not have a vendetta nor were my buttons ever pushed, ...even when you falsely accused me of not liking your car.

Third, ...I NEVER said or even indicated that your pictures offended me.

Matt, what I will do, is be a man and stand up to say that if I offended you in anything I said, then I will apologize and offer this as my last response to you here or to your PMs.



You know, ...on second thoughts, ...ask away what your questions are and I will see if I know the answer and can help you. What were you wanting to know about the wood? If I were to post some pictures of wood installation we have done, would that help you?

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[George Miller]

I have been on ford barn from day one. I have been building stock Model A's since 1970. I have been building hot rod Model A's since 1960. I have built a lot of cars that most guys would have walked by. In fact just finished a hill climb car. It is a four port flat head A engine.
But I like my cars to be stock or a hot rod. Most of the A's I see around here are far from stock. They call them stock but they are not.
My point is some of us on the barn like both.

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Some photos for you to see how the wood looks...

[tamagrouchy]

As far as wood goes, this site has some decent pictures. I am in no way endorsing anything, only supplying for reference only.

LINK to FORDWOOD

Might be enough to get you started?

Harry K

[Hitchhiker]

Originally Posted by BRENT in 10-uh-C

Some photos for you to see how the wood looks...

thank you. that's actually super help full and exactly what I am looking for. These are by far the best pictures I've seen. do you have one of where the front header panel joins the wood along the sides? Specifically the metal used to join it? Do you know if anyone reproduces these metal parts? what wood was original? would it have been finished or natural? Is it glued anywhere or just bolted? I have tons of other questions, but I will do my searching first...


Also....

I just want to say that I am sorry to everyone here that I offended and as Brent pointed out could be chasing off. That was not my intention. I didn't mean to post something that was bad. I just genuinely thought it was better to let you guys know what I was up to and why I joined.It may be able to be fixed, but I was pretty sure there are other nicer cars to start with. I figured you guys would be happy I didn't take apart someone else's dream to make my own. We all know we've seen restored cars parted to make hot rods. I would never do that. My car was chopped very badly sometime around 20-25 years ago. That's why it's going to be a hot rod and not restored. I've actually started a discussion on the Hamb about unchopping it. That didn't go over well.... When I find "the one" I'll restore that one back to stock....but I've got to learn how to first. I want to know such things as how to feather in the paint on a grill shell and other details. That's why I am here, not to take over and make this a hot rod site.

thanks

Matt

[Hitchhiker]

Originally Posted by tamagrouchy

As far as wood goes, this site has some decent pictures. I am in no way endorsing anything, only supplying for reference only.

LINK to FORDWOOD

Might be enough to get you started?

Harry K

great link thanks!

[Rowdy]

Wood was painted with an ashaltium based paint. Vey flat in apperance. BBQ grill paint closely has the the same finish when dried. lots of slot head wood screws hold most of it together along with variuos lap and toung and groove joints. Rod