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Freydaddy29 · 11-04-2022, 08:01 PM

Got my 1st model a last week. She's rusty, but complete, and I couldn't be more excited. I have got spark, but found no compression in # 4, which turned out to be stuck valves. Those are free and functional now. I'm waiting on my complete gasket kit to arrive, and wanting to get things ready. My concern right now is the pan part.
A video I watched, the fella used the little plug/bolt tool to hold the oil pump in place while removing the pan. I'm wanting bto clean everything up as much as possible, including the oil pump. My concern is with the timing of the cam/dist shaft/ and oil pump. Just don't want to get it out of whack by removing and messing with the oil pump. I fully understand how to time the distributor, but can I get something out of time between the dist and oil pump? I don't have a book yet, so I'm kind of flying blind and don't want to get ahead of myself. Appreciate any input to help me understand the relationship between the aforementioned components...

Big hammer · 11-04-2022, 08:43 PM

It’s slotted the oil pump to distributor, just don’t turn the motor over and you’ll be fine

Richard Knight · 11-04-2022, 08:46 PM

Get some books. In the front of the engine is a pin sticking out. That is used for timing. There is a screw under the rotor which can be set to any position. Don't worry. Drop the pan. Clean and inspect. By then you will have a book or two, maybe a friend with model A knowledge and this forum. Just go for it.

Freydaddy29 · 11-04-2022, 10:45 PM

Thanks guys for easing my concerns... I was pretty sure I I was overthinking it...but just to clarify,.no matter what position the oil pump is installed, I will then just proceed with the timing pin to find tdc, and then the points cam, and test light to time? Seems so simple...lol
Thanks again. Appreciate the replies

john charlton · 11-05-2022, 03:06 AM

The oil pump is designed to drop out when the pan is removed . You can then take it to your bench and inspect it ,check the gears ,filter gauze etc etc . If the bottom plate is worn just turn it the other way up . The bottom spring can get corroded at the bottom coil if so replace it . Some engines the spring is clipped to the pan bottom ,easy to remove if needs changing .When replacing the pan hold the pump in place and put a cable tie through the nearest pan bolt holes looped around the pump stalk and pulled tight . When the pan is nearly home clip the tie and pull clear works every time for me . Using a flash light and mirror you can sight the drive slot to align the pump . I just dont understand why people have to hold the pump up makes no sense to me anyway .

John in rain coming Suffolk County England .

katy · 11-05-2022, 10:03 AM

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I hope you know that the thread of the small plug in the side of the block is 1/8-27 NPT, That's a pipe thread, not a bolt thread.

Freydaddy29 · 11-05-2022, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by katy

I hope you know that the thread of the small plug in the side of the block is 1/8-27 NPT, That's a pipe thread, not a bolt thread.

Iam aware, but appreciate it!

1crosscut · 11-05-2022, 02:15 PM

You don't need the tool to hold the oil pump in place while removing the pan. If the oil pump doesn't drop out with the pan remove it right away. Other wise it may come off unexpectedly and hit the floor or your head if you happen to be underneath it.

Replace the spring on the bottom of the oil pump.

11-04-2022, 08:01 PM	#1
Freydaddy29 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2022 Posts: 3	Oil pump/distributor/ timing gear Got my 1st model a last week. She's rusty, but complete, and I couldn't be more excited. I have got spark, but found no compression in # 4, which turned out to be stuck valves. Those are free and functional now. I'm waiting on my complete gasket kit to arrive, and wanting to get things ready. My concern right now is the pan part. A video I watched, the fella used the little plug/bolt tool to hold the oil pump in place while removing the pan. I'm wanting bto clean everything up as much as possible, including the oil pump. My concern is with the timing of the cam/dist shaft/ and oil pump. Just don't want to get it out of whack by removing and messing with the oil pump. I fully understand how to time the distributor, but can I get something out of time between the dist and oil pump? I don't have a book yet, so I'm kind of flying blind and don't want to get ahead of myself. Appreciate any input to help me understand the relationship between the aforementioned components...

11-04-2022, 08:43 PM	#2
Big hammer Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Land of Lincoln Posts: 3,131	Re: Oil pump/distributor/ timing gear It’s slotted the oil pump to distributor, just don’t turn the motor over and you’ll be fine __________________ Don't force it with a little hammer tap, tap, tap get a bigger hammer tap done

11-04-2022, 08:46 PM	#3
Richard Knight Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2021 Posts: 130	Re: Oil pump/distributor/ timing gear Get some books. In the front of the engine is a pin sticking out. That is used for timing. There is a screw under the rotor which can be set to any position. Don't worry. Drop the pan. Clean and inspect. By then you will have a book or two, maybe a friend with model A knowledge and this forum. Just go for it.

11-04-2022, 10:45 PM	#4
Freydaddy29 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2022 Posts: 3	Re: Oil pump/distributor/ timing gear Thanks guys for easing my concerns... I was pretty sure I I was overthinking it...but just to clarify,.no matter what position the oil pump is installed, I will then just proceed with the timing pin to find tdc, and then the points cam, and test light to time? Seems so simple...lol Thanks again. Appreciate the replies

11-05-2022, 03:06 AM	#5
john charlton Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,304	Re: Oil pump/distributor/ timing gear The oil pump is designed to drop out when the pan is removed . You can then take it to your bench and inspect it ,check the gears ,filter gauze etc etc . If the bottom plate is worn just turn it the other way up . The bottom spring can get corroded at the bottom coil if so replace it . Some engines the spring is clipped to the pan bottom ,easy to remove if needs changing .When replacing the pan hold the pump in place and put a cable tie through the nearest pan bolt holes looped around the pump stalk and pulled tight . When the pan is nearly home clip the tie and pull clear works every time for me . Using a flash light and mirror you can sight the drive slot to align the pump . I just dont understand why people have to hold the pump up makes no sense to me anyway . John in rain coming Suffolk County England .

11-05-2022, 10:03 AM	#6
katy Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Red Deer, Alberta Posts: 5,046	Re: Oil pump/distributor/ timing gear Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) I hope you know that the thread of the small plug in the side of the block is 1/8-27 NPT, That's a pipe thread, not a bolt thread. __________________ If you don't hear a rumor by 10 AM, start one!. Got my education out behind the barn!

11-05-2022, 02:15 PM	#8
1crosscut Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Lincoln, Nebraska Posts: 1,910	Re: Oil pump/distributor/ timing gear You don't need the tool to hold the oil pump in place while removing the pan. If the oil pump doesn't drop out with the pan remove it right away. Other wise it may come off unexpectedly and hit the floor or your head if you happen to be underneath it. Replace the spring on the bottom of the oil pump. __________________ Dave / Lincoln Nebraska