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Old 03-25-2021, 01:03 PM   #281
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Crankcase compression: I have not read all the postings in this thread, I have not read all the engineering data. Has there been any discussion on crankcase compression ? All modern engines, at least the last 50+ years, Have some form of Positive Crankcase Ventilation. What is the thinking on this new engine ? I know I addressed it 30+ years ago on my own modified B engine with a PCV valve. All engines have a certain amount of "leakdown" Thanks, Rick.
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Old 03-25-2021, 02:51 PM   #282
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Ballpark what does one of these cost?
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Old 03-25-2021, 03:39 PM   #283
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Pic of the pipe work with out the filter on.
I made six sets yesterday, they use an easy to get oil filter
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Your tubing work and mount are nicely done. It looks like it will work with various headers and intake manifolds too.
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Old 03-25-2021, 04:35 PM   #284
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Your tubing work and mount are nicely done. It looks like it will work with various headers and intake manifolds too.
I can't speak for Lawrie but I doubt accommodating headers was a consideration. Headers are not possible here.
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Old 03-25-2021, 10:36 PM   #285
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Crankcase compression: I have not read all the postings in this thread, I have not read all the engineering data. Has there been any discussion on crankcase compression ? All modern engines, at least the last 50+ years, Have some form of Positive Crankcase Ventilation. What is the thinking on this new engine ? I know I addressed it 30+ years ago on my own modified B engine with a PCV valve. All engines have a certain amount of "leakdown" Thanks, Rick.
Hey Richard,
I’m taking ‘compression’ to crankcase pressure.
A/B Ford engines, including new one, all have .... an oil fill tube. That handles any blow by. Ergo... zero crank case pressure... as long as tube is not plugged.

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Old 03-25-2021, 10:46 PM   #286
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Ballpark what does one of these cost?
Hey marc,
First run +\minus... $3800.
Mr Burtz has said that he will (hold) 2nd run at near this price. Thereafter price per unit will rise.
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The basic engine parts includes block, crank, rods, some necessary plugs/fasteners. Also an owner manual.

A 30 lb flywheel can be purchased also.
Hope this helps.
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Old 03-25-2021, 11:40 PM   #287
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I can't speak for Lawrie but I doubt accommodating headers was a consideration. Headers are not possible here.
I don't understand what you mean that headers are not possible here. Do you mean in Australia?
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Old 03-25-2021, 11:52 PM   #288
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Hardtimes, Yup crankcase pressure, All engines have it. How well the filler tube handles it depends on leakdown, RPM, wear. Road draft tubes where an early attempt to deal with it. Looks like no one is concerned about, I was just curious what the thinking is. Rick.
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Old 03-26-2021, 04:28 AM   #289
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They are harder to fit up on a RHD car.
Arnold is right, The filter is made to fit up with a stock manifold and carb, as well as an alloy manifold and down draft carb like a 97, as well as the engine pans.
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Old 03-26-2021, 06:15 AM   #290
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Im interested in the PCV question also
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Old 03-26-2021, 08:23 AM   #291
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They are harder to fit up on a RHD car.
Arnold is right, The filter is made to fit up with a stock manifold and carb, as well as an alloy manifold and down draft carb like a 97, as well as the engine pans.
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Oh, I was not thinking about the RHD that you would be dealing with.
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Old 04-04-2021, 03:12 AM   #292
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Fit/ finish.....Burtz engine

Today I made a trial installation of a ‘28 5 bearing cam... into the 5 cam bearing Burtz block.
IT FIT TIGHT AND RIGHT, into the already installed cam bearings.
A great feeling when buying equipment that works as sold new.
Thanks Terry

Q: Terry... Im thinking of buying Using same alum oil pump (Stipe).. in your new engine kit.
Does the ‘DOG’ clamp work with Stipe oil pump ?
Any plumbing methods/tips used with that pump will help. Thanks.
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Old 04-04-2021, 01:13 PM   #293
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Yes, a dog clamp will work with the Stipe oil pump.

The Stipe pump comes machined to direct all oil to the outside of the cylinder block through the 1/8 NPT hole that must be enlarged to 1/4 NPT. The Stipe oil pump comes with machining instructions that will allow it to deliver oil internally like a stock Model A oil pump.

See "2) Oil System Options" in the "Builders Guide" found at www.modelaengine.com.

The latest "Builders Guide" has 27 March 2021 under the title.
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Old 04-04-2021, 10:47 PM   #294
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With the delivery of the1st batch of motors being fulfilled, it would appear that a wonderful cottage industry could very well spring up to humidity the majority of us ����. High volume oil pumps are mandatory for the Burtz block, as well as 5 main bearing cam shafts , full flow oil filers and possibly a few other things on the average builders wish list. �� These individual items along with the new block gives a whole new set of opportunities for the number of new replacement OHV systems out now and coming on line very soon.
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Old 04-04-2021, 11:43 PM   #295
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I bought a similar unit for my engine. My engine re-builder refused to install it. He said that it took oil that should have gone to the valve chamber and dumped it onto the timing gear.
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Old 04-05-2021, 12:00 AM   #296
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I bought a similar unit for my engine. My engine re-builder refused to install it. He said that it took oil that should have gone to the valve chamber and dumped it onto the timing gear.
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The oil filter kit that you have a link to WILL NOT work with a Burtz block. The Burtz block is in no way like a original Model A engine oiling. Your builder needs to read all of the guides that are on Terry’s website modelaengine.com.
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The oil filter kit that you have a link to WILL NOT work with a Burtz block. The Burtz block is in no way like a original Model A engine oiling. Your builder needs to read all of the guides that are on Terry’s website modelaengine.com.
Agreed. He should find another engine builder, IMO.
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Old 04-05-2021, 10:03 AM   #298
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Something to keep in mind on the oil pumps, while the motor is set up to run a full pressurized system, the oil pump drive mechanism is marginal.
The stock Mod "A" had a transfer pump, not a pressure pump.
If you attempt to run too much oil pressure, it will prematurely wear the stock drive unit.
I have found a moderate pressure works well with stock drive assembly. If you think you are going racing it is wise to use a pump driven off the cam or a belt from crank.

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Old 04-05-2021, 12:31 PM   #299
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The oil filter kit that you have a link to WILL NOT work with a Burtz block. The Burtz block is in no way like a original Model A engine oiling. Your builder needs to read all of the guides that are on Terry’s website modelaengine.com.
The engine was a Ford, not a Burtz.
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Chris, You started this thread, I assumed it was for a Burtz block.
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