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Old 06-11-2017, 03:02 PM   #1
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is there a discussion or post somewhere that shows/states what i need to change to upgrade my brakes to a modern type?
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Old 06-11-2017, 03:08 PM   #2
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what do you have in mind, lincoln? f100? disks?
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Old 06-11-2017, 03:20 PM   #3
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The f100 upgrade would be traditional with original parts, but the Lincoln mod (also traditional) can be purchased as a kit. For the F100 you need the hubs and backing plates. All the other part are available at almost any parts supply. I can post the mod details and parts list if your interested.
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Old 06-11-2017, 03:51 PM   #4
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is there a discussion or post somewhere that shows/states what i need to change to upgrade my brakes to a modern type?
If you decide to use the 1939 Lincoln backing plates, drums, hubs etc. made by the MT Products Co, I have tons of photos on how it's done. Glad to share them.

http://www.mtcarproducts.com/Brakes.html
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Old 06-11-2017, 04:09 PM   #5
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i remember reading somewhere that "self-actuating" brakes are a great upgrade. I just am not sure what it is and what all has to be done.
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Old 06-11-2017, 04:17 PM   #6
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i remember reading somewhere that "self-actuating" brakes are a great upgrade. I just am not sure what it is and what all has to be done.
Simply install the parts. There are a handful of parts that work the self adjustor. The later F100/150 brake parts add this function.

Well, I missread that one!!!! I was referring to self adjusting brakes. Almost all modern drum brakes are the self-actuating style. That includes the F100 and Lincoln brakes.

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Old 06-11-2017, 04:20 PM   #7
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Simply install the parts. There are a handful of parts that work the self adjustor. The later F100/150 brake parts add this function.
what years are "later"
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Old 06-11-2017, 04:27 PM   #8
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I'll have to look, but the parts are all interchangeable if you have the F100 backing plates and hubs. I attached a pdf file on this modification using F1 parts. Most of the parts are the same, but be sure you pay attention! (not all of the photos used in the attachment are original with me!!)

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Wheel Cylinders
F100 65-67 Raybestos WC37083 / WC37084
F100 53-67 Centric 13468012 / 13468011
F100 53-60 NAPA UP9091 / UP9090

Front Brake Hose
F100 53 Dorman H1146 18 inches
F100 53-60 Centric 15068007 16 inches


Brake Shoes
F100 53-66 Raybestos 228PG 2 x 11
F100 53-66 Bendix 228
F100 53-66 Centric 11102280
F100 53-66 NAPA TS10A UP10AR

Spring/HW Kit
F100 53-67 Carlson H7144

Adjustor Kit
F100 64-76 Carlson H2540 / H2541
F100 64-76 Raybestos H2540 / H2541
F100 64-76 NAPA UP80691 / UP80690

F100 Outer Hub Bearing TIMKEN 09067
F100 Outer Hub Race TIMKEN 09195
Inter Hub Bearing TIMKEN 14116 (requires modification)
Inter Hub Race TIMKEN14276
Seal National 450461

I'm sure other parts will work, but these are the numbers I have.
Attached Files
File Type: pdf F1.pdf (1.13 MB, 64 views)

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Old 06-13-2017, 05:24 AM   #9
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JSeery,thanks guy.
You are a wealth of knowledge.
Thanks for being willing to share.
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Old 06-13-2017, 01:58 PM   #10
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I went to the Lincoln style brakes for my 47... They work wonderfully
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Old 06-13-2017, 03:50 PM   #11
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If you are having trouble with your brakes lets discuss it before you dump money at the problem. The '47 brakes are probably "good" but of course the Lincoln brakes are better.

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Old 06-13-2017, 05:25 PM   #12
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Charlie,mine are 42 brakes and to stop in a hurry from 60 aint gonna happen. I know because of a Saturday road trip
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Old 06-13-2017, 07:09 PM   #13
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I upgraded the brakes on my 39 pickup with the ECI kit for the front that uses 77 F150 rotors, perfect as I own one. The rears are the MT lincoln bendix drum kit, excellent stopping power.

I have numerous pictures of my truck resurrection and some brake photos are in there. The guys over @ ECI were very good with any questions I had, that front brake kit was easy and well instructed.

Let us know how you make out.
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Old 06-14-2017, 09:00 AM   #14
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If I ever upgrage the mechanical brakes & floaters on my '35's, I would definitely bypass the '39-'48 style Ford/Merc hydraulic brakes, and go directly to the Lincoln brake conversions being sold today, along with the Richard Lacy MC brackets that allow using the original clutch/brake pedal assembly.
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Old 06-14-2017, 08:12 PM   #15
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Yes the "Lincoln" setup is great I fitted the MT ones up front , I did have some problems with them not fitting properly it was a manufacturing fault , they welded a part wrong. Also the linings supplied by them are barely over 1 3/4" so I had them remade with a full 2" wide locally. I run a vacuum booster and a standard master cylinder , standard rear. It pulls up , yup sure does !
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Old 06-16-2017, 07:52 AM   #16
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39 Portlander:
The Speedway kit (Part # 91031909) appears to use the same F150 disk brake setup has this warning:
Wheels must have 3-7/16" center hole and have been designed for disc brake applications. Will NOT work with early Ford factory wire or steel drum brake wheels. You will need to use a later disc brake steel wheel or aftermarket wheel.

The ECI kit does not have a similar warning - what wheels are you using?
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Old 06-16-2017, 08:04 AM   #17
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Not sure what they are referring to, but the F100/F150 rims will obviously fit the F100 hubs! I have never had any problem with any rim fitting. Maybe they are saying 30s factory wire wheels and 5-wide, etc. No idea what disc brake rims would have to do with it. This conversion uses all original Ford parts, the only modification is to the inter bearing on the hub. It has been done thousands of times starting in the 50s.

OK, the Speedway kit in question is a disc brake kit, not the F100 conversion kit! Here is the link: http://static.speedwaymotors.com/pdf/91031909pdf.pdf

barnfind was 100% connect (no surprise there!) and was directing his response to 39 Portlander (as he clearly posted), my error.

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Old 06-16-2017, 08:43 AM   #18
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For the Speedway kit, I found this from someone who purchased it for a 1940 pickup conversion and provided their feedback:

it has front disc brakes the 1940 Factory Stock wheels will work (solid steel).
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Old 06-16-2017, 01:21 PM   #19
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I used the Speedway on my 41 and it stops like it has disk brakes.
FYI: Speedway brakes are actually made by MT and Spee3days sells them for less and includes free shipping
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Old 06-16-2017, 06:18 PM   #20
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Hey there Barnfind will add a little info to my post, The kit I ordered for my 39 P/U was EC-730CK. That is a 5 1/2' bolt circle using adapters that will accept the 73-93 F100/F150 (2wd) rotors.

I went with this set up as my original wide 5's and brakes were beyond safe acceptable repair. The Coker rims I ordered were 5 1/2" bolt circle that worked out perfect as the MT rear Bendix drum kit was the same.

I went with ECI as their components are ENGINEERED and Ralph @ the brake shop was great and helpful with my questions.
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