Jasper engines

[jkeesey]

I'm not sure if its nationwide or just local but I had a Jasper engines rep stop by my shop today to let me know they are rebuilding flathead ford engines. He said they are pouring and machining their own Babbitt. He said retail was around $4 grand and that's with a 3 year 100,000 mile warranty. I just thought it was good to know a large rebuilding company was still putting in an effort for these old girls.

[Mitch//pa]

very interesting my rep was just in and checking out my chassis. he was asking me questions about the motor and
never mentioned it. is your rep gary?

[J and M Machine]

A customer had contacted us about a 1940 Cadillac engine and then said Jasper could do it also.
I told him to do the research as the internet is full of their unhappy customers. Better off to go to a small shop than a faceless corporation.

[Steve Wastler]

Jasper has been offering them for years, although I don't know the quality of the work on the flatheads and Babbitt, but their reman modern engines seem to hold up well. My brother uses their modern engines at his shop and has never had a comeback due to problems with them.

[Ross/Kzoo]

If I've learned one thing in the last 9 years that I've owned my A it's that a babbitt engine is not like an inserted engine. A whole different ballgame.

[Fred]

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I just left a shop two hours ago & was looking at a very nice 1953 Chevy P/U.. It had 81,000 original miles in Texas, kept all its life inside.. Sheet metal 99% perfect, original paint (green) would buff up nice.. They had pulled the engine as it was frozen.. I asked are you doing it ??, Answer, No, Jasper, @ EST.. $6,000.00 !! I need a BEER or TWO..

[Ross/Kzoo]

A 53 should be a babbitted engine.

[ford3]

only the auto matics were

[Ross/Kzoo]

Maybe in Ca. My best friends 53 Bel Air was a 3 speed w/ babbitted bearings. 54's were inserted.

[gilitos]

I bought a 29 closed cab pick up in 1979, it was unrestored except for 5 new tires and a new Jasper rebuilt engine. I drove the heck out of it for almost 10 years: from Ohio to Texas and Florida then to Michigan when I moved there. It was strong, quiet, reliable, didn't leak any oil the whole time. Never did a thing to it except change oil and tune ups. Sold it when my family got too big to fit; put the money into my Tudor. Wish to heck I still had it.

[jkeesey]

Originally Posted by Mitch//pa

very interesting my rep was just in and checking out my chassis. he was asking me questions about the motor and
never mentioned it. is your rep gary?

His name was John. I never met him before or have really done much business with the company beside the occassional SBC. He also told me he just found a 29 roadster in a junkyard he's going to get and try to rebuild so he'd be back to ask me more questions.

[Mitch//pa]

Originally Posted by jkeesey

His name was John. I never met him before or have really done much business with the company beside the occassional SBC. He also told me he just found a 29 roadster in a junkyard he's going to get and try to rebuild so he'd be back to ask me more questions.

thanks i knew they can custom build any old motor using your core but i didn't know they did Babbitt. we use them all the time on newer stuff as you cant beat the warranty and labor claims are paid very well. i wonder how they would handle a cracked block?? most of the A rebuilders would sew it up

[Mike V. Florida]

100,000 mile warranty on poured babbitt?

[Flathead]

I think it was 3 years or 100,000 miles. Not too many people are going to put on that kind of mileage in 3 years.

I used one of their rebuilt automatics in a Plymouth minivan (a notoriously crappy designed trans) and put over 100,000 miles on it with no problems of any kind before trading it in at 230,000 miles.

[Brother Hesekiel]

Originally Posted by Fred

I just left a shop two hours ago & was looking at a very nice 1953 Chevy P/U.. It had 81,000 original miles in Texas, kept all its life inside...

How crazy to drive 81,000 miles inside a barn!

[P.S.]

Originally Posted by Mitch//pa

i didn't know they did Babbitt.

Apparently, they do babbit-
http://www3.jasperengines.com/blog/2...ing-to-jasper/

“We still have the equipment necessary to pour the babbitted bearings in-house & cut them to the strict tolerances & specifications required to meet JASPER standards,” says Division Manager Alex Ernst. “Replacement parts for the engine and transmission are still readily available.”

[1931 flamingo]

I'd like to hear from some of the engine rebuilders that pour Babbitt on this site.
On the flatheads, are they supplying the core or is it on an exchange basis only??
Paul in CT

[jkeesey]

He said if the engine numbers match they will rebuild your original engine. If they don't and another block is needed they may replace it instead of repair.

[jkeesey]

Originally Posted by Mitch//pa

thanks i knew they can custom build any old motor using your core but i didn't know they did Babbitt. we use them all the time on newer stuff as you cant beat the warranty and labor claims are paid very well. i wonder how they would handle a cracked block?? most of the A rebuilders would sew it up

Mitch, heres his info if you wanted to contact him.
John Burkhimer
[email protected]

He told me he lived in Pheonixville which is about 15 minutes from me.

[BlueSunoco]

Originally Posted by Brother Hesekiel

How crazy to drive 81,000 miles inside a barn!

I like that!!!!

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Brother Hesekiel

How crazy to drive 81,000 miles inside a barn!

Please show me where in my original post I said "A BARN" ??

[George Miller]

Originally Posted by Ross/Kzoo

A 53 should be a babbitted engine.

The only Babbitt is the rods. The chev engines had inserts in the mains since the late 20ts.

[Ross/Kzoo]

Yes, just the rods, thanks for the correction George.

[BlueSunoco]

In Lorin Sorensen's 'The 1935-1936 Fords' they show an engineer demonstrating what an engine insert looks like, probably a main also.

I think someone told me once that Ford went to insert mains in either '35 or '36, is that right? Also on the rods too??

[Kohnke Rebabbitting]

All the Chevy Four cylinders from the beginning to 1928, had inserts in the mains.

The 4's had a solid Babbitt insert in the front, and rear main.

The third main, in the middle was a babbitted bronze.

1929 the mains were babbitted steel shells, to about 1947.

1948 to 1953 were more of a modern insert that we have babbitted also because of the odd sizes that were needed.

Ford had in there flat heads a Babbitt insert which is not repourable, as they wear on the out side of the shell also.

The mains were poured supposedly until middle of 1935. But I have had about two blocks that were poured babbitt in 1936, by the block numbers.

[1931 flamingo]

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I believe mid to late 36 ford did away with the Babbitt.
Paul in CT

[Mitch//pa]

just a follow up as my jasper rep stopped by today. he knew all about this thread through the company as they have in house employees monitoring forums etc. an A engine long block is 3900 and comes with a 3/100 parts and labor warranty. if any cracks are found it will be extra depending on the size of it and they do their own in house metal stitching/pining. THE BABBIT POURING IS SENT OUT AND NOT DONE IN HOUSE. if an insert motor is wanted that is also sent out to be done. everything else is done in house boring etc. they have a 5-6 week turn around and shipping both ways are incld as they use their own trucks. if you need info call and ask for the authentic division.
i would sure like to hear from someone that has actually used them for an A engine..

[BrianCT]

Originally Posted by Kohnke Rebabbitting

All the Chevy Four cylinders from the beginning to 1928, had inserts in the mains.

The 4's had a solid Babbitt insert in the front, and rear main.

The third main, in the middle was a babbitted bronze.

1929 the mains were babbitted steel shells, to about 1947.

1948 to 1953 were more of a modern insert that we have babbitted also because of the odd sizes that were needed.

Ford had in there flat heads a Babbitt insert which is not repourable, as they wear on the out side of the shell also.

The mains were poured supposedly until middle of 1935. But I have had about two blocks that were poured babbitt in 1936, by the block numbers.

Flathead blocks do not have numbers . # is on transmissions and who knows
when a transmission or engine was changed.

[[email protected]]

While getting an oil change on my modern auto at local service place, I overheard a Jasper outside salesman chatting with the shop's owner. After they had concluded their business I stopped the Jasper rep and asked him about their antique engine business. He says they have a separate area in their facility for doing just these engines. He started to tell me about their recent jobs on several pre-WWII engines he was aware of in their plant in Jasper, IN and they all have their warrentee. Sounded like they have some of the same equipment used on these engines from their earliest days in the business.

I mentioned Fords and Model T's and A's and babbit. He said no problem with the babbit and they do charge extra for stitch welding, and setting the engine up for touring. In other words "How fast do you want to go will depend on the costs" But he said they can do the lighten flywheels, high compression heads, etc. etc..

He gave me their flyer for their "Authentic" engine services. It is attached.

Same question from the start of this old thread. Anyone on the forum used their services in the last few years and any real life feedback on their quality?

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[Mitch//pa]

As mentioned in #27 they farm out the babbit...
To many variables involved. I'll stick to inserts

[Jeff/Illinois]

Had a Jasper rebuilt tranny installed in a Ford years ago, worked out great. Less money than the local tranny shop wanted plus the 3 year 100,000 mile warranty beat Randy's 30 days 1,000 mile warranty all to heck

I'd use them again in a heart beat at least for newer stuff. They have their shop in Indiana a truck driver friend delivered stuff to last summer, and they let him look around while his truck got unloaded. He was real impressed said it was hospital clean in the shop area! Nice folks.

[Bulligen]

I bought a 40 sedan 30 years ago and it had a brand new Jasper Rebuild on the flathead. Ran like a charm!

[40 Deluxe]

Originally Posted by [email protected];1277151

He gave me their flyer for their "Authentic" engine services. It is attached.

Same question from the start of this old thread. Anyone on the forum used their services in the last few years and any real life feedback on their quality?

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I wonder how they grind their crankshafts? Do they find the true, original centers, or chuck them up on the worn journals and grind off-center like almost everybody else?