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adileo · 11-30-2017, 06:49 AM

Hi Guys

As most know, less than a year ago I purchased a 52 F1. It came with a 3 speed on the floor and what, I believe is heavy duty springs option in rear.

The steering column has (near top) a nub which I know was for a column shift. I thought, since Mr Ford was rather cheap. He just used the same column for the 3 speed on the floor.

However, recently I saw a friends 50 F1, with floor shift and it had no nub.

So what's the opinion here, is my 3 speed on floor added after the fact?

Fordestes · 11-30-2017, 06:54 AM

May be the column went bad and was replaced with a 3 on the tree type column.

tubman · 11-30-2017, 07:15 AM

Or, the transmission went bad and the first replacement they found was a floor shift? Or, they could have just wanted a floorshift?

adileo · 11-30-2017, 07:33 AM

Ok thanks, so in summary Ford would not have used this column.

1herrick1 · 11-30-2017, 08:38 AM

The light duty floor shifted 3-speed was dropped in the F-1's in mid-1950 in favor of a column shifted version of the same transmission. Your truck likely started life with a column shifter and the floor shifted unit was swapped in. I believe your column is correct.

adileo · 11-30-2017, 08:57 AM

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Thanks - how about heavy duty f1? Floor or column?

Ross F-1 · 11-30-2017, 11:00 AM

In 52 you could have a HD 3-sp or crashbox 4-sp, both with floor shift, as optional.

adileo · 11-30-2017, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ross F-1

In 52 you could have a HD 3-sp or crashbox 4-sp, both with floor shift, as optional.

Thanks Ross. I do believe, it’s a hd based on what I’m seeing with rear springs. Is there any for me to confirm the 3 speed on the floor left the factory this way?

Ross F-1 · 11-30-2017, 11:33 AM

Look at the hole in the trans tunnel cover; is it a factory-punched hole, or one hack-sawed out? What does the data plate in the glovebox list for Trans?

Just as likely that someone swapped the steering box due to sloppy steering.

The HD trans option doesn't come with HD rear springs, in F-1's there was no factory option for helper springs or additional leaves. (edit - there was an option for an additional leaf) How many leaves does yours have?

adileo · 11-30-2017, 12:11 PM

Looks like 8, see pic: iPhone sideways

ford38v8 · 11-30-2017, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adileo

Looks like 8, see pic: iPhone sideways

I like that bumpstop! Never seen a spring loaded bumpstop before. I wonder how many more New-To-Me things I'll see in this lifetime?

adileo · 11-30-2017, 12:30 PM

That’s why I thought heavy duty.

rotorwrench · 11-30-2017, 01:36 PM

Ford actually manufactured an updated version of the light duty 3-speed center shift transmission that had 1C gears in it. I just don't know how many were used in 1951 or even possibly in 1952 but they did make them for a time.

Heavy duty spring was 11-leaf type P/N 21C-5560-C. The standard spring was 10 leaf P/N 21C-5560-B. This would indicate that they were same as springs used in the 1942 thru 47 time frame for half tons.

Ross F-1 · 11-30-2017, 01:41 PM

Stock rear springs on an F-1 were 10 leaves (11 was HD option), ironically it appears they eliminated one leaf to add that "helper"? I can only see 9 leaves.

adileo · 11-30-2017, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ross F-1

Stock rear springs on an F-1 were 10 leaves (11 was HD option), ironically it appears they eliminated one leaf to add that "helper"? I can only see 9 leaves.

You probably don’t know but you think factory or dealership added? The bracket on the frame looks original

What is 1C gear?

Ken Crans · 11-30-2017, 06:05 PM

My first F-1 in the 70's had that style of bumpstop with 11 leaves, I believe HD, will have to check parts book to see if they have an illustration.

rotorwrench · 11-30-2017, 06:34 PM

[QUOTE= What is 1C gear?[/QUOTE]

These were the new diamond shaped gear set that came out in the 1951 model year. 1C-7017 main drive gear, 1A-7113 cluster, 1C-7061-A main shaft, 1A-7102 2nd gear, and 1A-7100-A low/reverse gear. According to all the info I've found, these are not a common set but they are out there.

adileo · 11-30-2017, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rotorwrench

These were the new diamond shaped gear set that came out in the 1951 model year. 1C-7017 main drive gear, 1A-7113 cluster, 1C-7061-A main shaft, 1A-7102 2nd gear, and 1A-7100-A low/reverse gear. According to all the info I've found, these are not a common set but they are out there.

Very interesting and be cool if this truck has it.

Ken Crans · 11-30-2017, 09:36 PM

To me,the redesigned as mentioned by rotorwrench, that would be a nice wide ratio for acceleration and shifting. Wonder if Mac would have any of them part #s?

rotorwrench · 12-01-2017, 12:52 PM

Folks actually look for them due to the improved strength factor but they are hard to find. There have been a few threads on this forum before of owners wondering what they come out of since they won't work with the older gears. Mac VanPelt's book lists them so he certainly knows what they are.

11-30-2017, 06:49 AM	#1
adileo Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,772	Early Ford Trucks Hi Guys As most know, less than a year ago I purchased a 52 F1. It came with a 3 speed on the floor and what, I believe is heavy duty springs option in rear. The steering column has (near top) a nub which I know was for a column shift. I thought, since Mr Ford was rather cheap. He just used the same column for the 3 speed on the floor. However, recently I saw a friends 50 F1, with floor shift and it had no nub. So what's the opinion here, is my 3 speed on floor added after the fact? __________________ Thanks Andy 1952 F1

11-30-2017, 06:54 AM	#2
Fordestes Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 886	Re: Early Ford Trucks May be the column went bad and was replaced with a 3 on the tree type column.

11-30-2017, 07:15 AM	#3
tubman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys Posts: 10,320	Re: Early Ford Trucks Or, the transmission went bad and the first replacement they found was a floor shift? Or, they could have just wanted a floorshift?

11-30-2017, 07:33 AM	#4
adileo Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,772	Re: Early Ford Trucks Ok thanks, so in summary Ford would not have used this column. __________________ Thanks Andy 1952 F1

11-30-2017, 08:38 AM	#5
1herrick1 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 1	Re: Early Ford Trucks The light duty floor shifted 3-speed was dropped in the F-1's in mid-1950 in favor of a column shifted version of the same transmission. Your truck likely started life with a column shifter and the floor shifted unit was swapped in. I believe your column is correct.

11-30-2017, 08:57 AM	#6
adileo Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,772	Re: Early Ford Trucks Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Thanks - how about heavy duty f1? Floor or column? __________________ Thanks Andy 1952 F1

11-30-2017, 11:00 AM	#7
Ross F-1 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: NM Posts: 2,438	Re: Early Ford Trucks In 52 you could have a HD 3-sp or crashbox 4-sp, both with floor shift, as optional. __________________ '52 F-1, EAB flathead Last edited by Ross F-1; 11-30-2017 at 11:19 AM.

11-30-2017, 11:33 AM	#9
Ross F-1 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: NM Posts: 2,438	Re: Early Ford Trucks Look at the hole in the trans tunnel cover; is it a factory-punched hole, or one hack-sawed out? What does the data plate in the glovebox list for Trans? Just as likely that someone swapped the steering box due to sloppy steering. The HD trans option doesn't come with HD rear springs, in F-1's there was no factory option for helper springs or additional leaves. (edit - there was an option for an additional leaf) How many leaves does yours have? __________________ '52 F-1, EAB flathead Last edited by Ross F-1; 11-30-2017 at 01:41 PM.

11-30-2017, 12:30 PM	#12
adileo Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,772	Re: Early Ford Trucks That’s why I thought heavy duty. __________________ Thanks Andy 1952 F1

11-30-2017, 01:36 PM	#13
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 16,440	Re: Early Ford Trucks Ford actually manufactured an updated version of the light duty 3-speed center shift transmission that had 1C gears in it. I just don't know how many were used in 1951 or even possibly in 1952 but they did make them for a time. Heavy duty spring was 11-leaf type P/N 21C-5560-C. The standard spring was 10 leaf P/N 21C-5560-B. This would indicate that they were same as springs used in the 1942 thru 47 time frame for half tons. Last edited by rotorwrench; 11-30-2017 at 01:45 PM.

11-30-2017, 01:41 PM	#14
Ross F-1 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: NM Posts: 2,438	Re: Early Ford Trucks Stock rear springs on an F-1 were 10 leaves (11 was HD option), ironically it appears they eliminated one leaf to add that "helper"? I can only see 9 leaves. __________________ '52 F-1, EAB flathead

11-30-2017, 06:05 PM	#16
Ken Crans Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Highland,MI Posts: 1,196	Re: Early Ford Trucks My first F-1 in the 70's had that style of bumpstop with 11 leaves, I believe HD, will have to check parts book to see if they have an illustration.

11-30-2017, 06:34 PM	#17
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 16,440	Re: Early Ford Trucks [QUOTE= What is 1C gear?[/QUOTE] These were the new diamond shaped gear set that came out in the 1951 model year. 1C-7017 main drive gear, 1A-7113 cluster, 1C-7061-A main shaft, 1A-7102 2nd gear, and 1A-7100-A low/reverse gear. According to all the info I've found, these are not a common set but they are out there.

11-30-2017, 09:36 PM	#19
Ken Crans Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Highland,MI Posts: 1,196	Re: Early Ford Trucks To me,the redesigned as mentioned by rotorwrench, that would be a nice wide ratio for acceleration and shifting. Wonder if Mac would have any of them part #s?

12-01-2017, 12:52 PM	#20
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 16,440	Re: Early Ford Trucks Folks actually look for them due to the improved strength factor but they are hard to find. There have been a few threads on this forum before of owners wondering what they come out of since they won't work with the older gears. Mac VanPelt's book lists them so he certainly knows what they are.