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Old 07-01-2022, 11:43 AM   #1
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Someone was selling a toe in tool with two equal length chains that had a rod from tire to tire, roll the car for and aft until the chains touched the floor in the front and rear of the tire, the rod had a gauge that read the tow in (or out) in degrees. Any one know about it and where to get?
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Old 07-01-2022, 12:53 PM   #2
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/28457191250...gAAOSwXAVhvBeR



I think this is what you're thinking about.

These work well, I use one.

But, brand spanking new is pricey !



https://www.ebay.com/itm/15329609074...wAAOSw96Zb8u-d


This one is more reasonable
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Old 07-01-2022, 12:58 PM   #3
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https://www.brattons.com/FRONT-AXLE-...ductinfo/4511/

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I think those gages are very outdated, and WAY too troublesome. At the shop, we use 'Toe Plates' to set the toe-in measurement because it is super fast. (Google them.)

We carry a set in our race car trailer to use at the track, and many pro racing teams use them to set the alignment on their competition cars. They are THAT accurate.
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Old 07-01-2022, 01:30 PM   #5
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Can't see any difference between the ebay one for $89.18 and the other one for
for $294. John
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Old 07-01-2022, 03:14 PM   #6
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The $294 one is Australian dollars.
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Old 07-01-2022, 03:59 PM   #7
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I bought one not long ago and it was under $100.00. We have one in the club tool crib also and they work great. My new 31 Pickup was an inch and a half out and you couldn't drive it 25 mph when I bought it. I know the people who owned it could not have driven it that way. She said she bought it because it was "Cute" They were in the country and it sat for 18 years before she sold it to me. Lucky Me
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Old 07-02-2022, 08:37 AM   #8
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I bought this years ago and works well.

https://www.amazon.com/SPC-Performan...ps%2C86&sr=8-7
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Old 07-02-2022, 09:43 AM   #9
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I made one using a 2 foot length of 1" PVC pipe, a pipe cap, a 1" diameter X 4 foot wooden dowel and a spring. I think I got the idea from another thread here on Fordbarn. It works very well.
I use a tape measure to set the height, then make a mark on the dowel, then reposition it and check the difference. A little more fidgeting around but a lot less expensive. How often will you need to do this?
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Old 07-02-2022, 01:18 PM   #10
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I bought this years ago and works well.

https://www.amazon.com/SPC-Performan...ps%2C86&sr=8-7
I have one of those as well
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Old 07-02-2022, 01:32 PM   #11
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I made my own, out of what I had in the garage.
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Old 07-05-2022, 08:55 PM   #12
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toe in fyi

the issue with the spring gauges and chains is
- if one of or both of the wheels are not true. runout
or
- the tire is not on the rim true. runout
then the spring type gauge is not at all accurate.
make sure you have no wobbles in your wheels or tires. (model A wheels have been known to be bent)

if you have a bit of a wobbley tire or wheel
and
if you are going to do your toe-in with at tape measure you need to lift the front of the car wheels off the ground, spin the tire while at the same time scribing a line on the center tread of the tire, do it on both tires. then with the car back on the ground measure between scribe marks at the front and rear of the tires at the exact same height.
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Old 07-06-2022, 12:45 PM   #13
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They work great
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Old 07-06-2022, 12:53 PM   #14
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Former Ford employee used 2 yardsticks. Fixed my shimmy shake. Do not ask me how.
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Old 07-06-2022, 09:00 PM   #15
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Gentlemen : I tend to lean on the cheap with a 3.00 telescoping curtain rod.
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Old 07-06-2022, 10:56 PM   #16
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Second Whiskey B. I made one out of a curtain rod, two blocks of wood and two round headed fencing bolts that fit into the end of the curtain rod. Put two nuts on the curtain rod with some plastic weld sticum and when I use them I position the blocks so they hold the tool about 6 inches off the floor and measure inside distance between tires at a line on the tire. Mine have a line, if not jack it up and spin, chalk and make a line inside each. Then I turn one bolt so the tool just touched the line on the two tires. I then move the car half a tire rotation forward or back and check this distance. A couple fo times of doing this I know which way and how much to turn the Tie rod to get the proper toe in.
Tighten things up when done, some forget that part, I'm told.

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Old 07-06-2022, 11:51 PM   #17
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toe in fyi

the issue with the spring gauges and chains is
- if one of or both of the wheels are not true. runout
or
- the tire is not on the rim true. runout
then the spring type gauge is not at all accurate.
make sure you have no wobbles in your wheels or tires. (model A wheels have been known to be bent)

if you have a bit of a wobbley tire or wheel
and
if you are going to do your toe-in with at tape measure you need to lift the front of the car wheels off the ground, spin the tire while at the same time scribing a line on the center tread of the tire, do it on both tires. then with the car back on the ground measure between scribe marks at the front and rear of the tires at the exact same height.
Actually, the opposite is true. With a spring gauge or “Duby” toe-in gauge, a bent wheel or one with run-out is not a factor when measuring for proper toe-in specification. When it’s set up in front of the axle between the tire sidewalls with the chains just touching the floor, the gauge is then calibrated or set to zero. When the car is rolled forward and the gauge rotates with the wheels/tires from a 4 o’clock position to an 8 o’clock position, it remains at that same set point, relative to the wheels/ tires. The only thing that changes the reading on the gauge, is the amount of toe-in or toe-out, which is the difference in degree of angle between the left and right spindles relative to each other.

I just had this same conversation at tonight’s Model A club meeting when I gave a demonstration of my version of this type of gauge that I built with mostly stuff I had laying around. Here’s some pictures.
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I think those gages are very outdated, and WAY too troublesome. At the shop, we use 'Toe Plates' to set the toe-in measurement because it is super fast. (Google them.)

We carry a set in our race car trailer to use at the track, and many pro racing teams use them to set the alignment on their competition cars. They are THAT accurate.
Brent, is this the device you are referring too? I have never seen one before but appear easy to use. Thanks for the heads up.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/19515158117...IAAOSwMkRe0JsK

I don't imagine it would work so good if you had a bent/wobbly wheel/tire?
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Old 07-07-2022, 10:36 AM   #19
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If you got a bent wheel don't ya think that that should be fixed before the alignment ? But yea those are what Brent was talking about. They work great and are super easy to use.
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Old 07-07-2022, 11:06 AM   #20
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I think those gages are very outdated, and WAY too troublesome. At the shop, we use 'Toe Plates' to set the toe-in measurement because it is super fast. (Google them.)

We carry a set in our race car trailer to use at the track, and many pro racing teams use them to set the alignment on their competition cars. They are THAT accurate.

Brent,

Is this what you’re talking about? Not a bad price.

HECASA DIY Toe Plates Wheel Alignment Tool High Grade Aluminum https://a.co/hoO8yr4


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