Add 1 pint Diesel to 10 Gal. e-gas, what do you think?

[VeryTangled]

Hi Everyone, I just started reading the July-August V-8 Times, just a fabulous magazine. Jerry Windle has done a great job of editing it for 20 years.

There's an article on pages 17 & 18, submitted by the Wichita RG #25, about electric fuel pumps by Randy Rundle, who among other things, preps cars for the Hemming's Great Race since 1989 when it was called the Great Race. I had not come across his name before.

There's a paragraph where he explains that 40+ psi fuel systems don't get bothered by the lower boiling point of the e-gas the same way our 2-4 psi systems do, so they don't vapor lock.

So beside writing about the fuel pump he has decided works best, which he conveniently has for sale, he advises: "Don't forget to add a pint of diesel fuel to 10 gallons of gasoline. It will raise the boiling point of modern gasoline and lubricate the gaskets in the carburetor to keep them from shrinking resulting in a leaky carburetor."

I read that and thought it was an interesting proposition. What say you FordBarn Forum Experts?

[mrtexas]

It is a horrible idea. Diesel boils from 500F-650F. It will likely make your car smoke, is 0 octane, may make your engine run on after the ignition is turned off and won't vaporize in the carburetor. Gasoline boils from 100-400F.

[skidmarks]

I read the same artical and have been using the same fuel pumps he sells for a few years . However I have been buying the same pump from Napa. A pint in 10 gallons would be diluted to the point I doubt it would make a motor diesel or smoke to the point you could notice it.

[Jack E/NJ]

MMO smells better than diesel. 8^)

Jack E/NJ

[Ol' Ron]

I'm not sure what will happen, but this thinking out of the box has merit, might work, might not. But it's worth a try. The only way to prove something is to try it, and that' exactily what I'll do.

[jack orchard]

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What about using it in gas without ethanol?

[JSeery]

Originally Posted by Ol' Ron

I'm not sure what will happen, but this thinking out of the box has merit, might work, might not. But it's worth a try. The only way to prove something is to try it, and that' exactily what I'll do.

Might be thinking out of the box, but it's not a new idea. Back in the 50s and early 60s a lot of people ran some diesel mixed in every month or so. The belief was it cleaned the fuel system. My dad also did this in his trucks.

[Drbrown]

A little off-topic here but I know some forum members have serious problems with vapor lock. Apparently something to do with day-time and engine running temps and air flow thru the engine compartment. I use 87 oct 10% ethenol thru a stock pump to a stock engine with 160 degree stats .... no problems. I better knock-on-wood.

Oh yes .... I add MMO to my gas and it seems to help quiet my valves.

[RalphM]

Originally Posted by Jack E/NJ

MMO smells better than diesel. 8^)

Jack E/NJ

And it's great on pancakes!

[RalphG]

Originally Posted by JSeery

Might be thinking out of the box, but it's not a new idea. Back in the 50s and early 60s a lot of people ran some diesel mixed in every month or so. The belief was it cleaned the fuel system. My dad also did this in his trucks.

It might be new to the younger generation but it was not uncommon to put a bit of diesel fuel into the gas tanks of trucks and tractors back in the sixties, seventies. If you got a little too much diesel it might smoke a little but never a problem that I recall. It might have done some good but certainly did no harm.

[LOWRIDER]

A friends dad ran an auto electric repair shop in Detroit starting in the early 50's. He loved to tinker with things. One time he came up with a car that ran on kerosene. Guess it ran ok, but smoked like hell. Could probably use it now to fog out the zika mosquitos. He's been gone now for awhile but when we all get together we still laugh about some of the stuff he came up with.

[51504bat]

Originally Posted by LOWRIDER

A friends dad ran an auto electric repair shop in Detroit starting in the early 50's. He loved to tinker with things. One time he came up with a car that ran on kerosene. Guess it ran ok, but smoked like hell. Could probably use it now to fog out the zika mosquitos. He's been gone now for awhile but when we all get together we still laugh about some of the stuff he came up with.

I bought a bunch of old car manuals at a garage sale a while back and included was a manual for an old tractor (maybe a Case but not 100% sure) that ran on kerosene.

[skidmarks]

Originally Posted by 51504bat

I bought a bunch of old car manuals at a garage sale a while back and included was a manual for an old tractor (maybe a Case but not 100% sure) that ran on kerosene.

John deere. The A my grandfather had . It had a small gasoline tank and a large kerosene tank. Started it on gas and when the motor warmed up you switched it over to kerosene.

Military engines some were called multi fuel but I don't know if that also included gasoline. I don't know anything about them other then the name

[G.M.]

Originally Posted by LOWRIDER

A friends dad ran an auto electric repair shop in Detroit starting in the early 50's. He loved to tinker with things. One time he came up with a car that ran on kerosene. Guess it ran ok, but smoked like hell. Could probably use it now to fog out the zika mosquitos. He's been gone now for awhile but when we all get together we still laugh about some of the stuff he came up with.

Back in the 30's and 40s there was a kit made for cars to run on diesel
fuel. A friend of mines father had what looked like an early 30's Essex.
There was a canister about 6 or 8"s in diameter and 18"s long on the
firewall that was filled with kero or diesel. The engine was started on
gas and when it got good and warm the diesel was turned on. I
remember one day we didn't wait long enough and went a few hundred
yards and it stalled on the diesel and we had to go through the warm
up again. Thinking about it now The fuel in the canister would only take
you 25 miles but in those days you didn't travel that far. The other
thought is the diesel may have been metered into the gas and ran as
a mixture?? Mixing diesel with corn gas doesn't get rid of the alcohol
that attract water and damages gas tanks and even brass floats in the
tank. The diesel in gas is like a very weak dose of MMO which may
lubricate the valves a little. Best bet is real gas and MMO. Vapor Lock
is mainly from real hot engine temps.The previous post with 160 stats
is an example. G.M.

[RalphG]

Originally Posted by skidmarks

John deere. The A my grandfather had . It had a small gasoline tank and a large kerosene tank. Started it on gas and when the motor warmed up you switched it over to kerosene.

Military engines some were called multi fuel but I don't know if that also included gasoline. I don't know anything about them other then the name

Quite a common setup in the 40s and 50s. Kerosene or "distillate" was a popular and low cost fuel for farm tractors. Seems to me it required a different carburetor and manifold to burn the distillate.

[lotsagas4u]

Look at a Fairbanks Morse stationary engine, they have a small bowl for gasoline, large tank under the engine for kerosene, starts on gasoline, warms up, switch over to kerosene. Smells good

[Joe Immler]

I think why not try it? If it doesn't work just driving will use up the gas and then fill the tank again without diesel. I am sure you can find someone who can give you a pint without buying a whole gallon of diesel for the try out.

[rotorwrench]

I caught that in the latest EFV8 magazine too. My first thought was Marvel Mystery Oil like GM mentioned. My Pop had a pickup accidentally topped off with diesel at a full service filling station once and he didn't get very far. It wasn't just a pint though.

A small quantity of diesel would just be a top end lube but MMO is made for that and is proven to work well. It will aid the electric fuel pump too which was the purpose that Randy Rundle added the diesel for. I figure Randy was coming up with a solution that a person could literally get near anywhere for the GAR. Otherwise they would have to carry MMO in gallon jugs with them.

[Cecil/WV]

I was told at the CNM in Tulsa that Sta Bil is diesel fuel.

[Ken Bull]

I feel comfortable with real Gas and MMO!