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04-28-2018, 04:06 PM | #1 |
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59ab hard start when hot
Car starts fine....hard starting when hot.....just a few minutes after turning off. Crab distributor with points from Bubba using his supplied coil and balast. The coil is blue in color as the first one was purple and defective which was gladly replaced. The 2 holley 94s were done by charlie ny with blocked PV. When hot this car will not restart. I pull #5 plug wire , place screw driver into plug wire to check for spark and motor starts right up....did this twice on two separate occasions.
Running solid core wires and coil is mounted horizontally. Spark plug wires are run through individual stainless tubes which are not grounded. Going to ground these stainless tubes..... any chance the coil position is problematic ....or ???? |
04-28-2018, 05:00 PM | #2 |
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Re: 59ab hard start when hot
Running mechanical fuel pump with an electric pump for start up. Regulator set at 2.5 psi
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04-28-2018, 05:11 PM | #3 |
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Re: 59ab hard start when hot
What ohm coil do you have? Are you running a ballast resistor?
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04-29-2018, 08:45 AM | #4 |
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Re: 59ab hard start when hot
Not sure of the ohms....using the coil and ballast that Bubba supplied.
Is there a problem running a coil horizontal vs vertical. When cold the engine starts right up. With the plugged PV , gas can't be leaking down. |
04-29-2018, 09:43 AM | #5 |
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Coil is OK either way. So you are saying when you remove #5 plug wire, the engine starts?
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04-29-2018, 10:14 AM | #6 |
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As a side note, when i put the rebuilt carbs on the car, it just wouldn't pop. After many attempts I decided to just crank until the starter quit. After extensive time it fired up. Changed nothing....just cranked. Been starting easily when cold since |
04-29-2018, 10:57 AM | #7 |
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Re: 59ab hard start when hot
Kind of unrelated, but still good to know : After sitting for a long period, these (and a lot of other) cars will start much easier and faster if the carburetor bowl is primed through the vent (that slanted tube coming out of the choke opening on a 94 carb). I keep a cheap ketchup squeeze bottle full of gas around just for this purpose; the opening is just the right fit for the vent tube and it has an attached cap to keep it closed when not in use. I went and got my '68 Corvette out of winter storage last week and used this method; after sitting all winter, it fired and started on about the second turn. If I try a "dry" start after sitting that long, it seems like it takes forever to get gas into the carb. Just a tip.
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04-29-2018, 11:22 AM | #8 |
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Re: 59ab hard start when hot
Cranking an engine for an "extensive time" can damage ignition components. It may depend on how the coil was wired in to the system. If it is using the by-pass that applies 12v directly to the coil that could be a factor. The symptoms you are describing sounds like there could be a capacitor issue to me.
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04-29-2018, 12:31 PM | #9 |
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Re: 59ab hard start when hot
Condenser maybe. Is there a good replacement for tje crab condenser
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04-29-2018, 02:42 PM | #10 |
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Re: 59ab hard start when hot
R U running the new ballast externally in engine compartment?
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04-29-2018, 03:30 PM | #11 |
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Re: 59ab hard start when hot
Yes, it is mounted in the engine compartment. Between the intake and head inline with cylinder 5
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04-29-2018, 04:34 PM | #12 |
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Re: 59ab hard start when hot
U'r stock start ignition system has an in line ballast under U'r dash, make sure U'r circuit is only using one of them or U'r Ohm's is X 2 & voltage being reduced X 2.
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Re: 59ab hard start when hot
Is there a factory resistor under the dash?
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04-29-2018, 06:12 PM | #14 |
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No resistor under tbe dash. Just the external ballast.
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04-29-2018, 06:22 PM | #15 |
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Re: 59ab hard start when hot
That resister often is not known when going to 12 volts. I found that on my car.
When you checking for spark take the wire out of coil and hold 1/2" from ground. This is better then firing even 2 times around, fires even cylinder. Nice sharp sounding spark. Don,t give any gas when starting. |
04-30-2018, 07:21 AM | #16 |
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Very good suggestion. Thanks
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04-30-2018, 10:26 AM | #17 |
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I believe I have this correct. During starting ur ignition should deliver higher voltage (full 12V) during starts and gets a direct shot of 12V from the starter while cranking by-passing the ballast only during the start. Then not to burn coil out after engine starts the voltage to the coil drops via the ballast circuit not to burn the coil out.
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This is correct. I will double check my wiring
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06-13-2018, 04:59 PM | #19 |
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Re: 59ab hard start when hot
Hot in Florida but I decided to take the 35 out. Long story short, I killed the engine going into the garage, H20 temp at 190......hit the starter button immediately.....cranked but no start.....tried off and on for the next 1/2 hr, even gave a good shot of starter fluid, looked like weak spark.....won't start. ran the battery down. Foot starter button was erratic so I'm changing to a solenoid start. Coil @ 1.8ohms, ballast @ 2.7 ohms. As earlier stated coil is mounted horizontally and above left front head....gets hot. Bad coil when hot..??....recently changed the condenser.
Love the car but afraid to drive anywhere.....thinking about naming it the Titanic....always gets halfway !! |
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6 volt system? If so, get rid of the resistor. You've only got about 1.5 volts at the coil.
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06-13-2018, 06:05 PM | #21 |
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Re: 59ab hard start when hot
If you have 12 volts ign. I guess you have a kit to loose the ford coil that was mounted on dist. or like 46 later two wires and spark wire down to coil.
I don,t care for the different colors black is find for me. When you are ready to try something new, get a IC 17coil,ICR 23 Resister. When you shut off don't pump gas when starting. |
06-13-2018, 09:47 PM | #22 |
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Re: 59ab hard start when hot
It's 12v volts if he has a "blue" vw/bosch coil. Condenser maybe it.
I'm assuming it's also running a electric fuel pump and all the other fixes. What temp you running? What's your compression? 2x2 don't need much...but what condition is your condition...man |
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06-13-2018, 09:56 PM | #23 |
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I can't see where he has ever said whether he has 6 or 12volts.
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06-13-2018, 10:04 PM | #24 |
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He didn't. Blue coil thing I assume. Ya can never tell now here, guess away.
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06-14-2018, 07:43 AM | #25 |
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12v... my oversight.
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06-14-2018, 09:39 AM | #26 |
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I would also use a key switch start and run. The key switch is good, when you go to start its shuts off all acc. Cuts power to fuel pump, radio, gps, ect. So all power is to ign and starter. They sell general purpose switches, start, ign, acc, hide it if you don,t like it. In around 1951 ford went to the key switch. |
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I'd try running a second ground to the starter. The stock wiring does not allow for full voltage to ignition on start. The starter nay be pulling voltage below ignition needs.
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06-14-2018, 03:08 PM | #28 |
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Re: 59ab hard start when hot
The 12V battery is grounded to the body. Using the same grounding fastener the body is grounded to the frame. Im using a T5 trans with a grounding strap from it to the chassis.....still think a ground from starter to chassis will help. Guess it can't hurt. Thanks
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06-14-2018, 04:25 PM | #29 |
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Try a manual toggle switch to bypass the resistor when starting. Rich
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06-14-2018, 06:04 PM | #30 |
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I was reading that the blue coil doesn't need a resister so try with out it If that doesn't work go to nada and get a ic12 or 13 and use the resister you have.
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06-15-2018, 09:57 AM | #31 |
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Re: 59ab hard start when hot
As has been stated several times now, the Bosch Blue Coil DOES NOT use a ballast resistor!!!
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06-16-2018, 01:10 PM | #32 |
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Re: 59ab hard start when hot
Bought a Napa ST56 starter solenoid and a Echlin IC14 coil as a spare. The contacts in the foot switch were heavily worn and "blackened"...I think this might have been drawing too much amperage, causing the hard restarts. Opinions ??
The ST56 and toggle switch I installed work great. I went against my better judgement of changing more than one thing at a time but I removed the ballast resistor and installed the new coil with the internal resistor. It was hot, humid and the tools were out so ....! The "old" coil, very little use though, was a matte blue from Bubba.... not a bosch... no name on the coil just #0814# on bottom. Motor started right up as usual. After a little drive in the Florida heat I turned off the motor and it immediately restarted. Let it sit 15 mins, about 200 Deg, and it started but took a few cranks.....livable ! Was it the foot switch or coil or a little of each.....not sure. Hope this problem is solved. Thanks for the interest and feedback. |
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