The Ford Barn

hardtimes · 02-19-2016, 12:25 PM

The 'doubters' in the world (of stuff making

)...said it couldn't be done.
BEAUTIFUL

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hardtimes · 02-19-2016, 12:27 PM

Hm, getting old , as forgot best part...pictures.

Tiny · 02-19-2016, 12:41 PM

Looks good. Now get to the testing already.
What head are you taking off to put this one on?

California Travieso · 02-19-2016, 01:18 PM

Is that the 7:1 CR that you asked Tod to send you? What engine are you testing it on?

David Serrano

Juggler · 02-19-2016, 01:40 PM

That'll do

62pan · 02-19-2016, 07:07 PM

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Crows foot doesn't appear as pronounced as an originial Winfield. Is there a reason for this?

hardtimes · 02-19-2016, 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tiny

Looks good. Now get to the testing already.
What head are you taking off to put this one on?

This one, just another run of mill aluminum

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hardtimes · 02-19-2016, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by California Travieso

Is that the 7:1 CR that you asked Tod to send you? What engine are you testing it on?

David Serrano

Yup, Tod's first new 34 lbs (no)bouncing boy. YES, it's a boy

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The Russian B that's currently in my '30 roadster, will be the goat. It is full pressured/inserted//030 over, and built to give this big baby some hardtimes

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hardtimes · 02-19-2016, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juggler

That'll do

You are correct , cannot wait....but will have to have help getting it on into block. Three tears, left shoulder, bummer ! Have discovered found that right arm alone is 'whimpy'

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But have brainiac fordbarner whom I can be assistant too..if he ever slows down enough to come by..

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Note to self:
Do not lift short block around by hand.

hardtimes · 02-19-2016, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by California Travieso

Is that the 7:1 CR that you asked Tod to send you? What engine are you testing it on?

David Serrano

Hey Dave,
Yeah , this is Tod's creation. I haven't had time yet to cc, etc . , but that will happen.
There is a LOT of meat/thickness to play with if needed and/or wanted. That's for another day.

I'm bad at guessing, so will hold off no cr for now

hardtimes · 02-19-2016, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 62pan

Crows foot doesn't appear as pronounced as an originial Winfield. Is there a reason for this?

Looks good enough to me

. I do not have an original to place along side it.
I believe that this head is so thick, that cr can be made whatever I want it to be. Most originals that I've seen are rusted out thin and at times also repaired.

Tiny · 02-20-2016, 12:39 AM

That will be a good comparison. I'll be waiting to see what you think of it compared to the aluminum head

Dodge · 02-20-2016, 12:50 AM

What was it patterned after? It doesn't look like the orignal crow's foot maybe copied
after a re-pop?

PC/SR · 02-20-2016, 12:58 AM

Well, just to be a contrarian, the Weiand has the better crows foot design than the repo Winfields. My Wieand was orginally 7.1, but after opening it up around the bigger valves, it cc'd to 6.8. The most important area is the transfer from the combustion chamber(over the valves) to the quench area over the piston. The original Winfield "crows foot" was superior to anyone else in that era. That quench area is best at about 040-050 because it causes superior turbulence over the piston, mixes gasses, and gives a better mixture for combustion.
Hey, the best test is on the track.

waxhead · 02-20-2016, 01:43 AM

Thanks for posting. Now go and install it, and test it so we can all get ours

Will be interested to see what you think of the head. Good luck. Please keep us updated.

KGBnut · 02-20-2016, 08:29 AM

Forgive my ignorance...but what exactly does the "crowfoot" refer to on this head?

62pan · 02-20-2016, 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hardtimes

Looks good enough to me

. I do not have an original to place along side it.
I believe that this head is so thick, that cr can be made whatever I want it to be. Most originals that I've seen are rusted out thin and at times also repaired.

The point I was tryig to make is why test the head if the combustion chamber is not designed like the originial. Or is this the only way it will be made?

Tom Wesenberg · 02-20-2016, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 62pan

The point I was tryig to make is why test the head if the combustion chamber is not designed like the originial. Or is this the only way it will be made?

It might be an even better design than the original.

I always thought it would be fun to work in a lab where you can experiment with different length connecting rods, different bores and strokes, and different combustion chamber designs to find the best for fuel efficiency and power. GM seems to have hit the mark with the 3.8 in my 1999 Olds 88. I guess that's why they quit making it.

40 Deluxe · 02-20-2016, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KGBnut

Forgive my ignorance...but what exactly does the "crowfoot" refer to on this head?

I don't have a picture, but basically, instead of the combustion chamber being just shaped like a square box, the sides curve inward, some are somewhat heart shaped, which gives more turbulence to the incoming mixture thus better combustion.

Dodge · 02-20-2016, 09:22 PM

It would be great to do back to back dyno runs on some of these heads to see what works
best or if any of it makes a difference. I have an original non-crows foot head and a re-pop
aluminum one. If someone has an original crows foot they could all be run with Tod's two
new heads just to see what happens.

02-19-2016, 12:25 PM	#1
hardtimes Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: South California Posts: 6,188	Winfield Cast Iron Crowfoot #1 The 'doubters' in the world (of stuff making )...said it couldn't be done. BEAUTIFUL !!!

02-19-2016, 12:41 PM	#3
Tiny Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Redding Cal Posts: 1,388	Re: Winfield Cast Iron Crowfoot #1 Looks good. Now get to the testing already. What head are you taking off to put this one on? __________________ Blackwall Panthers Nor Cal chapter

02-19-2016, 01:18 PM	#4
California Travieso Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Moreno Valley, CA Posts: 949	Re: Winfield Cast Iron Crowfoot #1 Is that the 7:1 CR that you asked Tod to send you? What engine are you testing it on? David Serrano

02-19-2016, 01:40 PM	#5
Juggler Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Phoenix AZ/Bath UK Posts: 481	Re: Winfield Cast Iron Crowfoot #1 That'll do

02-19-2016, 07:07 PM	#6
62pan Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Middletown Pa Posts: 391	Re: Winfield Cast Iron Crowfoot #1 Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Crows foot doesn't appear as pronounced as an originial Winfield. Is there a reason for this?

02-20-2016, 12:39 AM	#12
Tiny Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Redding Cal Posts: 1,388	Re: Winfield Cast Iron Crowfoot #1 That will be a good comparison. I'll be waiting to see what you think of it compared to the aluminum head __________________ Blackwall Panthers Nor Cal chapter

02-20-2016, 12:50 AM	#13
Dodge Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Sonoma, CA. Posts: 1,497	Re: Winfield Cast Iron Crowfoot #1 What was it patterned after? It doesn't look like the orignal crow's foot maybe copied after a re-pop?

02-20-2016, 12:58 AM	#14
PC/SR Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Santa Rosa, CA Posts: 1,279	Re: Winfield Cast Iron Crowfoot #1 Well, just to be a contrarian, the Weiand has the better crows foot design than the repo Winfields. My Wieand was orginally 7.1, but after opening it up around the bigger valves, it cc'd to 6.8. The most important area is the transfer from the combustion chamber(over the valves) to the quench area over the piston. The original Winfield "crows foot" was superior to anyone else in that era. That quench area is best at about 040-050 because it causes superior turbulence over the piston, mixes gasses, and gives a better mixture for combustion. Hey, the best test is on the track.

02-20-2016, 01:43 AM	#15
waxhead Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: West Australia Posts: 346	Re: Winfield Cast Iron Crowfoot #1 Thanks for posting. Now go and install it, and test it so we can all get ours Will be interested to see what you think of the head. Good luck. Please keep us updated.

02-20-2016, 08:29 AM	#16
KGBnut Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Southwestern Connecticut Posts: 931	Re: Winfield Cast Iron Crowfoot #1 Forgive my ignorance...but what exactly does the "crowfoot" refer to on this head? __________________ Style beats speed any day, and with a lot fewer tickets.

02-20-2016, 09:22 PM	#20
Dodge Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Sonoma, CA. Posts: 1,497	Re: Winfield Cast Iron Crowfoot #1 It would be great to do back to back dyno runs on some of these heads to see what works best or if any of it makes a difference. I have an original non-crows foot head and a re-pop aluminum one. If someone has an original crows foot they could all be run with Tod's two new heads just to see what happens.