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rottenron36 · 04-30-2021, 01:04 PM

Just installed my 59ab in the 36 pickup with clutch and trans on. Test turned before install, turned over great. Installed everything, starter, generator, and drive line. went to turn over and only turns about an 1/8 of a turn either way. When i did it the first time i set the pan on my exhaust, and put a very small dent in the pan near the front. Is the pan close enough to the crank, a small dent could cause a problem? If not I have no Idea where to start to find the problem. Any input will be greatly appreciated. Also can I get the pan off in the truck? Thanks Ron

rottenron36 · 04-30-2021, 01:28 PM

The dent in the pan is on the other side of the pan and has always been there, not the pan. LOST!!!!! I did a valve job on it when it was out and turned over many times, no problem. Ron

Brian · 04-30-2021, 01:45 PM

Is the trans in neutral? Are you sure? Not stuck in two gears?

petehoovie · 04-30-2021, 01:48 PM

Loosen the starter motor and see if you can turn it over....

rbone · 04-30-2021, 02:00 PM

I have had my starter bendix fail and cause this. I would second petehoovie's recommenation and turn her over with a wrench on the crank pulley after the starter is lose.

rottenron36 · 04-30-2021, 02:10 PM

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Starter out, no problem. Trans is rebuilt shifts all gears, in neutral, truck rolls back and forth. Like I said engine and trans installed together and turned easy before install. Racking what's left of my brain. Don't what to pull, as everything good before install. Can't even think of what's next! All the easy stuff looked at. Ron

rottenron36 · 04-30-2021, 02:25 PM

I put the intake on in the truck, I will remove that, and look at the valves. Ron

alanwoodieman · 04-30-2021, 03:25 PM

stuck valve? how long did the engine sit after valve job?

rottenron36 · 04-30-2021, 03:30 PM

Took intake off all good. Took distributer off, WRONG BOLTS, TOO LONG. Hit timing gear. Problem solved. Thanks to all who tried to help. Another BONEHEAD move on my part. Still have lots to do. Hope I'm done with those. Ron

petehoovie · 04-30-2021, 03:41 PM

Could you have damaged the timing gear with the too long bolts???

Russ/40 · 04-30-2021, 04:23 PM

Appreciate your forthright admission of the problem. Now we all know the consequences of too long bolts

Ol' Ron · 04-30-2021, 10:09 PM

Learn by your mistaked, now weall learned somethinh. Thanks.
Gramps

Bored&Stroked · 05-01-2021, 08:24 AM

Glad you found it before you "leaned on it" and threw a bunch of aluminum shavings into the oil pan from the cam gear! (Or worse!)

Also, takes a solid human to admit mistakes - you've done yourself and others a service for talking about a simple problem - that can be catastrophic if repeated by the next guy! Nicely done . . .

rottenron36 · 05-01-2021, 09:06 AM

Thanks to all again. When I took the bolt out, I couldn't believe that I even put it in. After 5 years, and being in a hurry its fairly easy to make a mistake. I will check and recheck everything I do. I'm lucky I didn't do some real damage. Ron

04-30-2021, 01:04 PM	#1
rottenron36 Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Corbett OR Posts: 233	49AB turn over before install, NO turn now Just installed my 59ab in the 36 pickup with clutch and trans on. Test turned before install, turned over great. Installed everything, starter, generator, and drive line. went to turn over and only turns about an 1/8 of a turn either way. When i did it the first time i set the pan on my exhaust, and put a very small dent in the pan near the front. Is the pan close enough to the crank, a small dent could cause a problem? If not I have no Idea where to start to find the problem. Any input will be greatly appreciated. Also can I get the pan off in the truck? Thanks Ron

04-30-2021, 01:28 PM	#2
rottenron36 Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Corbett OR Posts: 233	Re: 49AB turn over before install, NO turn now The dent in the pan is on the other side of the pan and has always been there, not the pan. LOST!!!!! I did a valve job on it when it was out and turned over many times, no problem. Ron Last edited by rottenron36; 04-30-2021 at 01:31 PM. Reason: more info

04-30-2021, 01:45 PM	#3
Brian Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Masterton, New Zealand Posts: 3,829	Re: 49AB turn over before install, NO turn now Is the trans in neutral? Are you sure? Not stuck in two gears? __________________ Unfortunately, two half wits don't make a whole wit!

04-30-2021, 01:48 PM	#4
petehoovie Senior Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 8,080	Re: 49AB turn over before install, NO turn now Loosen the starter motor and see if you can turn it over.... __________________ The only thing nice about being imperfect is the joy it brings to others.... *"Silver rings, your butt! Them's washers!"* "We shot our way out of that town for a dollar's worth of steel holes!" - from 'The Wild Bunch' - 1969 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NReUd2_0u0

04-30-2021, 02:00 PM	#5
rbone Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Frisco, TX Posts: 95	Re: 49AB turn over before install, NO turn now I have had my starter bendix fail and cause this. I would second petehoovie's recommenation and turn her over with a wrench on the crank pulley after the starter is lose.

04-30-2021, 02:10 PM	#6
rottenron36 Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Corbett OR Posts: 233	Re: 49AB turn over before install, NO turn now Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Starter out, no problem. Trans is rebuilt shifts all gears, in neutral, truck rolls back and forth. Like I said engine and trans installed together and turned easy before install. Racking what's left of my brain. Don't what to pull, as everything good before install. Can't even think of what's next! All the easy stuff looked at. Ron

04-30-2021, 02:25 PM	#7
rottenron36 Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Corbett OR Posts: 233	Re: 49AB turn over before install, NO turn now I put the intake on in the truck, I will remove that, and look at the valves. Ron

04-30-2021, 03:25 PM	#8
alanwoodieman Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: upstate SC Posts: 2,963	Re: 49AB turn over before install, NO turn now stuck valve? how long did the engine sit after valve job?

04-30-2021, 03:30 PM	#9
rottenron36 Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Corbett OR Posts: 233	Re: 49AB turn over before install, NO turn now Took intake off all good. Took distributer off, WRONG BOLTS, TOO LONG. Hit timing gear. Problem solved. Thanks to all who tried to help. Another BONEHEAD move on my part. Still have lots to do. Hope I'm done with those. Ron

04-30-2021, 03:41 PM	#10
petehoovie Senior Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 8,080	Re: 49AB turn over before install, NO turn now Could you have damaged the timing gear with the too long bolts??? __________________ The only thing nice about being imperfect is the joy it brings to others.... *"Silver rings, your butt! Them's washers!"* "We shot our way out of that town for a dollar's worth of steel holes!" - from 'The Wild Bunch' - 1969 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NReUd2_0u0

04-30-2021, 04:23 PM	#11
Russ/40 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Santee, California Posts: 3,505	Re: 49AB turn over before install, NO turn now Appreciate your forthright admission of the problem. Now we all know the consequences of too long bolts

04-30-2021, 10:09 PM	#12
Ol' Ron Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Chester Vt Posts: 8,857	Re: 49AB turn over before install, NO turn now Learn by your mistaked, now weall learned somethinh. Thanks. Gramps

05-01-2021, 08:24 AM	#13
Bored&Stroked Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 5,062	Re: 49AB turn over before install, NO turn now Glad you found it before you "leaned on it" and threw a bunch of aluminum shavings into the oil pan from the cam gear! (Or worse!) Also, takes a solid human to admit mistakes - you've done yourself and others a service for talking about a simple problem - that can be catastrophic if repeated by the next guy! Nicely done . . .

05-01-2021, 09:06 AM	#14
rottenron36 Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Corbett OR Posts: 233	Re: 49AB turn over before install, NO turn now Thanks to all again. When I took the bolt out, I couldn't believe that I even put it in. After 5 years, and being in a hurry its fairly easy to make a mistake. I will check and recheck everything I do. I'm lucky I didn't do some real damage. Ron