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Old 07-24-2021, 08:45 PM   #1
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Can you put an early oil pan (the one that has the screwed in dipper tray) into a 1929 engine? Could you use a later oil pump too? I know the rods were always the same, but was the first design oil pump a different length?
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Old 07-25-2021, 08:08 PM   #2
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The 1928 oil pan had a plate that screwed into the pan, not the dipper tray. It was there to allow the removal of the oil pump without removing the pan.

The pan will fit any year Model A. Same with the oil pump.
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The 1928 oil pan had a plate that screwed into the pan, not the dipper tray. It was there to allow the removal of the oil pump without removing the pan.

The pan will fit any year Model A. Same with the oil pump.
Richard, you are misunderstanding what I have. I have the first design pan that has a dipper tray that screws into four spot welded brackets rather than snapping in like the later styles. This was only used up until January 1928.
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You should sell that pan to someone building a points car, and get a pan that more aligns to your year car.
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You should sell that pan to someone building a points car, and get a pan that more aligns to your year car.
I agree, as that must be very rare.
I've never seen one, and this is the first I've heard of it.
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The dipper tray is different than the later ones but as mentioned above, it will fit a later engine and the later oil pump will also fit in the early pan.
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Chris, I guess I did misunderstand. I have never heard of or seen one which doesn't mean there never was one.
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This is what the inside looks like.
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Btw my car was originally a very early 28 probably January so this would have been it. I saw it and had to have it!
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If the car was originally an early '28 isn't it still an early '28?
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Old 07-26-2021, 03:04 PM   #11
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If the car was originally an early '28 isn't it still an early '28?
That's pretty funny, but I agree. The question deserves an answer. Wondering why it didn't have this early type pan. I have been working on Model A s for 56 years and like Tom Wesenberg, have never seen or heard about this type of pan.
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I don't know if I would want to use it on a later engine. Those are pretty tiny oil reservoirs,
and might run out of oil for the dippers at road speed.
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I don't know if I would want to use it on a later engine. Those are pretty tiny oil reservoirs,
and might run out of oil for the dippers at road speed.
That wouild be a reasonable bug for A factory fix/upgrade. Sell it to a museum and use the improved one that is correct for your replacement engine and save the bearings from today's traffic.
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Well to answer it I guess my car still is early it was just restored poorly and a lot of the original early parts are gone. I have slowly been improving and adding stuff.

I ended up putting a later pan on. Maybe someday down the road I will revisit this and use it. I was thinking about taking a regular dipper tray and adapting to work here. Or make a new one. I just don't really want to use this dipper tray because of the small oil reservoirs.
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