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Old 12-30-2011, 11:47 AM   #1
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Default Roadster Rear Window and Body Socket Hole Size

Rear window in 31 Deluxe Roadster -

How may screw holes does the original window frame have? My frame has 12 holes but I get the impression from reading the LeBaron Bonney catalog that there may be 16. My screws are 5-40 by 13/32 long and look to be old brass with most of the plating worn off the tops.

What type of glass was originally installed? Mine has the old safety lamination glass with a total thickness of "?

Is there any "special" masking that is applied to the glass edges prior to assembly in the frame? The only thing I have seen recommended is black electricians tape. The window had some black trim on it that was a bit thicker than electricians tape.


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What is the hole size needed to install a body socket?

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Old 12-30-2011, 01:00 PM   #2
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I believe there were 12 holes, same as the Lebaron Bonney photo illustration.

From "How to Restore Your Model A - Vol 6:

"The glass was a special (thin on thin) safety glass with glass setting tape on the edges. The frame is installed with 5-40 x 3/8" oval head machine screw (nickel). Be careful the screws are not to long or that you over tighten them, as they will dimple out the exterior frame."

I believe the body socket hole on the door and rear quarter to be 7/16".

Verify before drilling, as I don't want to be responsible!
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Old 12-30-2011, 01:43 PM   #3
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16 screws probably applies to the larger curtain light frames used on Sport Coupes. We use only 12.

I've never nailed down the specifics but there were two different thicknesses of curtain light frames (and corresponding screw lengths) for the two types of glass offered. Laminated glass was offered beginning 1930 with deluxe models. 1/4" is too thick and too heavy! I've been using 1/8" laminated glass for most of the last 30 years.
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Default Re: Roadster Rear Window and Body Socket Hole Size

Thanks Marco and Hoarsewhisperer.

That does confirm I have the correct glass frame albeit a bit too thick glass. I'll try to locate the 1/8" laminate for authenticity but may settle for the LeBaron Bonney or equivalent. There are a few good glass companies who furnish quality Model A glass and I'll check there also.

I'll go with the 5-40 by 3/8" oval head machine screws, nickle plated.

Thanks for the info on the body socket as well.

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On the subject of body sockets, the quality really varies on the repros.


Some of them have a tendency to explode and fall apart when inserted.


I found a vendor at the 2010 MARC meet, who had the good ones (Gaslight, maybe?).


They held up fine and are a good fit for the side curtain buttons.
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