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Old 09-01-2020, 07:06 PM   #21
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My vote is something due to the clutch or clutch linkage. It sounds like what happens when you don't push in the clutch as you come to a stop. Like after driving an automatic and forgetting you are in a stick vehicle.
Yes that is a good description and does feel like that . Sometimes heavy sometimes you hardly feel it, more like a shudder than a big jerky motion.

I'll be very surprised if it is anything to do with the clutch I had all that apart, checked greased etc because I did the trans again, when I replaced the center bearing.

As far as the brakes go, I doubt it as it would do it constant and it will happen when I have my foot lightly on the brake, as you back off coming to a stop. Eventually I'll be pulling the drums so we'll find out..

I have a strange feeling its the center bearing
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Old 09-01-2020, 07:32 PM   #22
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Maybe the collar the TO bearing is on is hanging up on the trans front bearing retainer and keeping the clutch engaged somewhat, sometimes more then others. What happens when you stop the car with the brakes and keep your clutch pedal to the floor?
A friend with a Nash had a similar thing going on and one of the levers on the pressure plate had a crack in it and made the clutch drag. He brought the PP over to me and set it on my bench and I told him " I can see the problem from here!" (we were 30 feet away) one lever was about 1/4" lower then the other 2.
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Old 09-01-2020, 10:00 PM   #23
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Maybe the collar the TO bearing is on is hanging up on the trans front bearing retainer and keeping the clutch engaged somewhat, sometimes more then others. What happens when you stop the car with the brakes and keep your clutch pedal to the floor?
A friend with a Nash had a similar thing going on and one of the levers on the pressure plate had a crack in it and made the clutch drag. He brought the PP over to me and set it on my bench and I told him " I can see the problem from here!" (we were 30 feet away) one lever was about 1/4" lower then the other 2.
I did think of that.. The hub I swapped over was and old original one. The T/O bearing {National} did not fit the hub that was on it , just slipped on, so swapped . I made sure the forks engaged the hub together , slide , grease etc.. If the return spring has broken or slipped off I wonder if that would do it..?
If I have my foot on the clutch stopped , all good nothing happens.
Clutch does have a little - usual shudder if you're not careful with it, ok changing gear etc.
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Old 09-02-2020, 07:06 PM   #24
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Well it caught me off guard this morning. I drove to work all ok , may have done it once hardly noticeable , I detected a very slight vibration at speed, might be the new bigger wheels? Anyway as I pulled into the car park very, very slowly I coasted as I was about to reverse into the bay, Im sure I was in neutral almost no pressure on the brake and it did it and as bad as ever, very slow for a big shuddering... Again I didnt see a drop in vacuum , revs or the Alt light come on. It was so slow Im doubting the center bearing flying around..? Something to do with the clutch..?
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Old 09-02-2020, 09:32 PM   #25
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Think it could be the U-joint?
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Old 09-02-2020, 11:09 PM   #26
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Think it could be the U-joint?
Its unlikely, The heavy shuddering this morning was at such a low speed and Im sure I was in neutral .. Im not getting any other indications like clunking or bad shuddering on take off etc.
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cadillac had the same thought I did I have seen ujoints seized so no clang but shudder go luck with finding problem.
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Old 09-03-2020, 11:15 AM   #28
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Ok I'll armchair quarterback.
Can we rule out the motor? Does it cough and spit when coming to a stop?
How does it act when letting out the clutch in reverse?
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Old 09-03-2020, 07:40 PM   #29
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[QUOTE=solidaxle;1927119]Ok I'll armchair quarterback.
Can we rule out the motor? YES. Does it cough and spit when coming to a STOP? NO
How does it act when letting out the clutch in reverse?[. FINE AS NORMAL. /QUOTE]
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Old 09-04-2020, 12:25 PM   #30
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I would get a second opinion from someone who can actually drive it.
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Old 09-07-2020, 09:48 PM   #31
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OK ... Well thats not good. Hub has gone, the bearing rollers still have good surface however one or two the "pinned" rollers will jamb when rolling. The grease has turned to a light graphite colour . I guess this could be it.

I wonder what the other side is like

So the hub fix guys.. Sleeve.. ?
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Old 09-07-2020, 11:24 PM   #32
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Yeah mate, you'll need a lathe big enough to turn those axle housings. Bugger!! I feel your pain.
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Rob,what sort of bearing were you using,an original ford one?
You need to measure the bore in the hub as it may well be worn as well
Any picks of the bearing?
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Old 09-08-2020, 06:42 PM   #34
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Yes that bearing was a Ford one Lawrie. A quick measure with the verniers was 2.062

Just wondering as I'm sure I did see this at some point a repair "kit" sleeve , smaller bearing and loctite. I think it was for earlier diffs ? why.. larger bearing perhaps.. Can this type be used without disassembly?
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Old 09-08-2020, 08:32 PM   #35
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Rob you need to use a set of telescopic gauges and a micrometer to measure the hub bore right down the bottom, you will find it’s bell mouthed
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