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Old 02-24-2014, 04:59 PM   #1
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Default '41 1/2 ton Pickup Hood Ornament

I'm trying to get the hood ornament for a '41 1/2 ton. I've got the main part of the ornament, but like most of them the opening lever is broken. Apparently, the ornament for this model is not reproduced, and locating one would probably not be easy. I'm thinking of three options: (1) make one from scratch, (2) repair the broken one or (3) adapt one from a different model truck. I'm sure some of you have faced this problem, so I'd like your advice.

Also, the original ornament on one of the wrecks I'm working with was painted not chrome like all the others I've seen. Have any of you seen this before? It had a 6 cylinder in it, so perhaps that is why.
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Old 02-24-2014, 05:25 PM   #2
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been there...
Yes, the handle is a one year deal. No, another handle will not fit.
It is designed like a 40 lever but the bottom is longer.
11C 8215 B is the number you are looking for.
The reason some are painted is because the were painted due to the war.
If you can find one grab it. It took me over a year and a lot of money to get one. Then I had to get it plated. You can use a 40, but it will not cover the top of the grill leaving a gap.(picture on the left is 40, the right is 11C 8215 B) Unless the piece is 11C 8215 B (NOT A) don't waste your money.
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Old 02-24-2014, 07:09 PM   #3
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What about the other options - making one from scratch or brazing a bottom onto the broken one?
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Old 02-24-2014, 07:29 PM   #4
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You can do that but you are working with "pot" metal. If you are successful then you must be extremely careful when opening the hood. The reason these break is because there is a secondary catch that protrudes from the front of the grille centerpiece. Most people do not know this so when they open the hood for you (well meaning friends at shows etc.) they lift the hood by the handle against the stop and the handle breaks. This is worse on the 41 because the the handle is longer and therefore provides more leverage. That being said and pot metal being weaker than steel you have a receipt for disaster. Put a magnet on the broken one you have and you will see it is pot not steel. I used a 40 and kept looking for the correct one.
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Old 02-24-2014, 09:15 PM   #5
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What I did to get by until I located a '41 flipper was use a '40 flipper and
machine a chunk of stainless to fill the void in the grill center. No one but me and you
know this....the stainless is still in there and looks just fine.
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Old 02-24-2014, 09:24 PM   #6
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I'm trying to locate the 41 sedan delivery ornaments which flank each side of the 40 style ornament and handle. Any one seen a plateable pair of these?
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Old 02-25-2014, 07:39 PM   #7
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What I did to get by until I located a '41 flipper was use a '40 flipper and
machine a chunk of stainless to fill the void in the grill center. No one but me and you
know this....the stainless is still in there and looks just fine.
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That sounds like a great idea. Do you have any photos? I'm thinking I will either do what you did, or make one from steel.
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Old 02-25-2014, 09:18 PM   #8
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I have what you are looking for, 1941 NOS pickup and commercial hood opening handle $150 plus $10 shipping. I have about three more of these 1941 Pickup hood opening handles. They have several handling scratches and a few light pits, they will need new chrome, but are suitable for a driver quality vehicle. The photos are not of the handles I have but from previous handles sold. I didn't want to go to the shop tonight to take photos. American Parts PH: 859-661-1932
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Old 02-26-2014, 10:35 AM   #9
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Old 02-26-2014, 12:04 PM   #10
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Cart,
I'd go for the nos from partman...in fact when I'm done here I'm ordering
one. Sorry no pics of my soon to be temporary solution.
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Old 02-26-2014, 02:16 PM   #11
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I have one NOS handle, which the Green Bible, says it is the only handle that fits the 1941 Sedan Delivery.
The part number is 11C-8215-A1.
The handle is 6 1/8" tall.
Not sure if it fits yours or not. It is guaranteed. You can send it back.
It is NOS and has beautiful chrome on it. No need to replate.
I would take $125.00 post paid for it.
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Old 02-27-2014, 12:24 PM   #12
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TJ from Napa, Ca. .................
I know that you sent me a Private Message, saying that you wanted my hood handle, for your 1941 Pick-Up. I do not believe it will fit.
I don't know how to send a photo on the Private Messages, so I am posting it here.
You can see that the Comm. (Pick-Up, etc.) use one part number, 11-C8215-B, which is correct for all Comm., except the Sedan Delivery. The Sedan Delivery uses it's own part number, 11-C-8215-A, which is what I have.
This is from the Green Bible.
I do not believe that either one is reproduced.
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Old 02-27-2014, 12:30 PM   #13
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Old 02-27-2014, 01:39 PM   #14
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Mike I sent you a PM about the handle. You are correct that it won't fit a pickup. I measured mine and it is longer by almost 1/4". Thanks for the heads up on this. I'm always learning something new.
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Old 03-14-2014, 10:37 AM   #15
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Sorry, I've got another question. I was looking at the mechanisms on the inside of the hoods. The '41 hood has a different mechanism from the the '40. Will these mechanisms work with either type of hood ornament/lever? In addition to the handle length, the levers have a different internal design (lever length, etc.). I'm surprised that 41LjH could use a '40 lever in place of a '41 and it works except for the incorrect length.
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Car,
I posted last week that I did receive the '41 hood handle from partsman....
$ 160 with shipping....very nice and maybe 2 tiny pits that no one but an anal
judge would ever notice. Thought I'd mention again.
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Old 08-25-2014, 06:43 PM   #17
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Sorry to bring up an old thread. I've now got a '41 ornament and latch. Paid through the nose, but I'm slowly getting over the pain. I'm now trying to figure out what works with what. I started with a '41 6 cylinder and and a couple of '40 V8s. I've noticed that the latching hardware is different (behind the grill and in the front of the hood). Can I use all the latching stuff from a '40 V8 and mate that to the '41 ornament and latch lever?

If this message makes no sense, I can post some photos.
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Old 08-26-2014, 07:43 AM   #18
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from about mid year 41, the grill top assembly and the hood latch mechanism changed to accomodate the 6 cylinder engine/ radiator--big differences. could you adapt the V8 parts, maybe, if you could borrow the 6 cylinder parts you could copy them using the V8 parts.
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Seems like this is a part that Dennis Carpenter or one of the other parts houses should look into reproducing along with the 41 waterfall nose piece.
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Old 08-26-2014, 12:58 PM   #20
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Guys....listed in Bob Drakes catalog is part number 11C-8215 handle for 41 pickup hood latch.
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Old 08-26-2014, 03:38 PM   #21
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I took photos of the upper and lower latching mechanisms side by side. The 41s make room for the longer engine. It is also missing some of the stiffening pieces. Will the 41 hood ornament work with the 40 latching mechanism? If so, that is what I will use.
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Drake does not have them . I've already checked.
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Does anyone have photos of this stuff for a '41 V8? I'd like to know if it is the same as my '41 or '40. I looked a little closer today. I believe I can make the '40 mechanisms work with the '41 ornament. Someone mentioned using a '40 lever in place of a '41. It was not the right length, but it did work. My problem is a bit different.
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Old 08-26-2014, 06:07 PM   #24
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Sorry to keep beating this horse. Today's mail brought a copy of "Two Great Trucks". It covers most of these questions. Apparently, the '41 V8 used the same latching mechanism as the '40. The 6 was different. This book is great. Wish I'd known about it before.
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Guys....listed in Bob Drakes catalog is part number 11C-8215 handle for 41 pickup hood latch.
You are correct, however they haven't had any in a couple years and when asked said they had no idea if they'd ever have them again.
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All Ford Parts in Campbell, Ca. may have some 41 pickup handles. I got one from them a couple of months ago, but they are pricey.
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Can someone tell me the paint color for the upper and lower latch mechanisms I showed in the photo above? Body color or black? Also, what color are the radiator shroud side pieces?
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Upper and lower latch mechanisms are body color. I have an original upper latch with the original green paint.
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Thanks, that's the way we will paint it. I've been told the radiator shroud pieces should be black. I need to post some photos of this project, but it is so disjointed I hardly know what to show.
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