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05-29-2021, 04:37 PM | #21 | |
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I speculate fixing what you have is less headache than switching. Vendors here on the 'Barn will be able to help with real ford parts.
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All I can think of is the western NY weather and salted roads, parking brake was the common obstacle to inspection. I cannot imagine cable brakes working well back in the day, even without salt.
I have acquired the cable brake parts but never considered trying them even for a good weather car. That said every year my brakes hydraulic brakes are tight and have to work at making them loose in the spring before use. Exercise makes it all smooth out. |
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05-30-2021, 09:14 PM | #23 | |
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I'm guessing 99% of us are not getting up at 6:30am in January to warm up a flathead to go to work. Even no matter the climate. Seems like just a naysayer post without experience. Exercise makes it all smooth out I guess..... Salt rusts everything. |
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05-30-2021, 10:35 PM | #24 | |
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I've done a lot of them since and now 69 years later I just finished converting my 36 pickup, Works great. Bill |
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05-30-2021, 10:41 PM | #25 |
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Like I mentioned my 38 before and after.
Ran a little model A with mechanical rods. Ran great. Everyone has a different experience, do what you need. But like I mentioned it looks like a well maintained car. Maybe it's not all rusted to sh!t. Last edited by Tinker; 05-30-2021 at 11:22 PM. |
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Yikes. I respect all opinions. All good. To each their own. I try to follow threads throughout, not just the last thing posted.
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05-30-2021, 11:36 PM | #30 | |
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Bill, ford used mechanical brakes longer then 2 years. Everything before 1939. Cable 32 up. Bless you. I hope you have a nice day tomorrow. |
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All good. But it would be hard to say every well running car "had" to convert because. We should just put radial tires, disc brakes, and a sbc in too.
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05-31-2021, 12:36 AM | #34 |
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Sounds good. What is the point of it all in restoring a vehicle if every time we just upgrade it to the newer thing. Opinion or option. Have a good night Bill. I respect your opinion.
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05-31-2021, 02:54 AM | #35 |
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Strong opinions on the subject, which is very understandable as there are as many horror stories as there are success stories on both cable and juice. Old Henry was forced to give in and go hydraulic to stay competitive in the marketplace, but had he not refused to pay license fees for the Bendix system, he might have been able to prove the advantages of cables. The floaters for '37-'38 cables do just that, blending the Bendix with the cables, the best of both systems.
Every system needs maintenance, and fortunately for us today, there are superior lubrication products available that prevent cables from freezing up almost indefinitely. As for hydraulics, moisture attracted to the juice means rust and leaks, so the cure for that is usually silicone fluid, so with more research than heresay, a guy can make his own informed decision.
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In 1964 my dad was out of town working. A perfect opportunity for me to buy a '40 coupe without my dad's supervision. Upon my dad's return, he inspected the acquisition and instructed me to park it until I could get some Lincoln/Bendix brakes all around. Luckily '41 Lincolns were still abundant in the junk yards. Not an absolute bolt on, but after some minor fitting to the '40 front spindles and some custom parking brake cables and some smaller rear wheel cylinders, I had the best brakes available at that time. I have not had the problems with rust and other exaggerations blamed on hydraulic brakes. Those tales have a core of truth but are presented as a scare story to make a point. I have owned a '38 and the cable brakes were not obviously poor but compared to the performance of the Bendix designs, they are a great novelty. It reminds me of driving a crash-box Model A and enjoying the challenge of a smooth shift. I might enjoy the novelty of the cable brakes. In the brutality of LA traffic, that novelty would wear thin very quickly. My current '40 project has been fitted with real Bendix brakes largely as nostalgia. Ford/Lockheed brakes are probably OK but I can afford my preferences. Have Fun: Fred A
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When I purchased my '36 coupe in 1952 from the original owner the odometer showed 51k and it was dead stock. The original owner had purchased a new '52 Ford and had intentions of selling the '36 to a junk yard, mainly because of the mechanical brakes.
Think about this: All American vehicles built from 1940 on have hydraulic brakes. Is this because someone in the government owned stock in the hydraulic brake company's or was it for safety reasons? In my case, I told the owner of the '36 that I would convert the brakes on the '36 to hydraulic using a '41 as the supply for parts, he sold me the '36 for $125. I lived in Idaho at the time, traffic was light and the car stopped very well. In 1956 I moved to Los Angeles, CA, the '36 was my daily transportation to and from work, which on some days required a commute of over a hundred miles. In 1962 I did some major work on the '36, one of which was converting the brakes to '42-48 with '39 drums and the stock wheels. The later model brakes were a big improvement over the '39-41 style. In reality, the original Ford mechanical brakes did a good job, however, that was 'then' when traffic was light and 45 mph was the normal highway speed. Traffic now almost travels at the speed of light, residential speeds are very commonly 40 mph or higher, traffic conditions can change in the wink of an eye. I changed the brakes and suspension on my '39 convertible coupe to disk and rack-pinion, during the nine years I have had the car operational I have had two occasions when I had to do a panic stop because of some jerk flying through traffic on a residential street. My modern brakes and suspension help me avoid a major accident.
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I have the original mechanic brakes on my 38. I’m told that mechanical brakes need to have the softer woven brake shoes material to work best. The shoes look like new when I got the car six years ago
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Mech brakes never puke or need bleeding or seals/fluid replaced. Let it sit 20 years and that's still true.
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