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05-17-2014, 08:10 PM | #1 |
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What does YOUR timing gear look like?
Tourer is in for a Stipe .330 lift cam. Guess we'll add a bronze timing gear from Dan.
This laminated fiber gear (not the super crappy macerated type) has only 5K on it. Three teeth show the same amount of tooth missing. Might wanna be thinking aluminum or bronze next time.....
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Dan is back in production now. I just bought a bronze cam gear and a steel, heat-treated crank gear from him.
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05-17-2014, 08:32 PM | #4 |
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Dan: the finest workmanship I have ever seen...well, Bill Stipe's workmanship is flawless, also
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I like that ! LOL
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Cool clock !!! Did you make it ?
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I think it's always prudent to replace both gears at the same time,a slightly rough crank gear will chew up the cam gear in short order.
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What is your opinion why the teeth are damaged in only 5k miles? |
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05-18-2014, 08:15 AM | #11 |
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I have the same question as Brent, plus, was it making any noise ?
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Having replaced timing gears on the road in the past I have put bronze timing gears with matching crank gears on all the cars.
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I have had trouble with fiber timing gears and now only use metal gears . My two cents on one possible reason for early fiber gear failure is the use of a rag between the gears when tightening the cam nut. Dan recommends the use of a clamp, even on his metal gears.
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Hmm, thats interesting. I've used the 'rag method' on just about everything. But, from the looks of that gear tooth it appears I'll be changing my ways. |
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05-18-2014, 10:43 AM | #17 |
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Re: What does YOUR timing gear look like?
I too wondered why it was showing failure so soon. Other than manufacturing quality I had not thought about the rag. Purdy, I think you are on to something.
No, there was no noise. I know one thing for sure: I will only install metal gears from now on. Purdy, where would you get such a clamp
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Either Dan McEachern or George Miller posted a picture of the clamp in use. It is sort of a C clamp. The side timing cover is removed, the clamp , clamps on the cam gear and rests on the side of the engine so as to hold the gear in place for tightening. I don't have a picture of the clamp.
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I guess this is just me, but my thoughts are a Fiber gear should not be condemned because of a Mechanic's poor craftsmanship!
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aluminum & yes it ticks until it gets warm . clearance !
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We use dans gears, no gear noise and seem to last forever, (never replaced one just put it back in the next motor) Tom , think its called a timing gear because it sets the cam timing .??
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I have installed Dans matched gear set, absolutely pleased with the set, very high quality.
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Could someone post contact information/internet address for "Dan"? Thanks.
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12-14-2014, 02:43 PM | #29 |
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I replaced on on my 31 that was clicking/ knocking it was fiber over alum. with a new nos ford one from Hershey that got ripped up after first trip after replacement found out that it was oversize but not marked had to drop oil pan to clean all the broken pieces lesson learned I do like the safety factor with the fiber one's Mitch
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I guess the original one's made 80 years ago were really built, but have begun to delaminate by now. Bratton;s sells a Fiber gear that they say is much stronger than the average verity available today. Still is this besst gear still as good as the originals produced 80 years ago? Back then they had a way of brute forcing things. Still with the advanced technology today you would think they could produce a stronger material... But perhaps such a product would be too expensive.
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I've used all of the fiber gears sold by Brattons and Snyders . Some failed sooner than later. I explained to one of the guys at Snyders the trouble that I was having with the fiber gears , back in the 1990s ... I told them that I needed a stronger gear, They sent me a Dan McEachern bronze gear with his name on it and that solved my timing gear problems . As for stronger gears, I've never had a metal gear fail. Metal gears do cost more and are worth every cent to me. If a person insists on using the cheaper , weaker fiber gears, any of the venders will gladly sell them one.
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12-31-2014, 12:10 PM | #34 |
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The cam gear in my coupe dates from the 1980's, but has less than 5,000 miles on it -- I am very glad I pulled the cover off before I started driving it. 24 of the 50 teeth are missing at least a third of their volume. The engine had not yet skipped time.
It will be replaced with an aluminum gear, along with a new steel crank gear. Archie P.S.: This is clearly a macerated fiber gear. |
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Suggested use for Fiber Timing Gears:
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