Ford V8

[highbeams]

Ford V8s . . . '35, '32, '33.
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Three Ford V8s at the Sunbac Inter.jpg

[petehoovie]

Originally Posted by highbeams

Ford V8s . . . '35, '32, '33.
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[koates]

That 33 roadster is actually 34 model. Regards, Kevin.

[19Fordy]

Those were good days.

[jayvee34]

Originally Posted by koates

That 33 roadster is actually 34 model. Regards, Kevin.

JFMI- How do you tell the difference?

P.S. I do know one difference, is the 33 grill bezel is thinner (narrower) than the 34.

Thanks

[rockfla]

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Originally Posted by jayvee34

JFMI- How do you tell the difference?

P.S. I do know one difference, is the 33 grill bezel is thinner (narrower) than the 34.

Thanks

FOR me.....And I had to get a magnifying glass.

1) Straight hood louvers
2) Bumper bolt spacing - 33 being narrower
3) The center line of the grill looks like a straight line

[V8COOPMAN]

Originally Posted by jayvee34

JFMI- How do you tell the difference?

Thanks

The grill is the first big hint. A '33 grill has a very narrow outer band, and the vertical bars all curve forward toward the bottom. Two examples BELOW.





A '34 grill has a thicker outer band and has STRAIGHT vertical bars.






Then, the next most-telling clue is the louvers on the sides of the hood. '33 louvers curve forward at the bottom, similar to the curve in the grill. Note the REAR-most louvers.






The '34 side louvers are straight, top to bottom.







And that's just the beginning. There are umpteen dozen smaller details once you dig into the subject.

Coop

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[rockfla]

AND to "REALLY" muddy the waters here, the tell tale grill and hood sides were a "late" 1933 running change "effective at once" Sept 13 - 21 of 1933 as supplies permitted via assembly plants....with the 1934 production officially started in Nov of 1933 this "could potentially" presents a question STILL of the true year of the above roadster

[V8COOPMAN]

Originally Posted by rockfla

AND to "REALLY" muddy the waters here, the tell tale grill and hood sides were a "late" 1933 running change "effective at once" Sept 13 - 21 of 1933 as supplies permitted via assembly plants....with the 1934 production officially started in Nov of 1933 this "could potentially" presents a question STILL of the true year of the above roadster

Robert ..... In my feeble opinion, that roadster above ......




...... shows many clues as to its "work-in-progress" status of a traditional hot rod being assembled as an era-specific time capsule when considering the many parts actually visible, like the Duval-ish windshield frame, the 'drilled 'n dropped' I-beam axle, the vintage "Guide" headlights and the custom hairpin radius rods, among others. I was only using specific examples of '33-'34 pieces in an attempt to explain the "norm" in the old Ford parts world.

Coop

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[rockfla]

Coopman
I was referring to the Roadster in the OP's original photo and to Kevin's comment about it being a "34". Most likely a 34 BUT given the info of a Sept change, maybe DavidG will enlighten me as to just how many 33's w/ 34 (as we know them) attributes he's seen or how common it was???

[jayvee34]

WOW !!
I have owned a couple of 34's and one 33 in the past, and only knew about
the grill bezel difference.

Thanks to all for explanations.

[jimvette59]

Looks like a road Rally. Did any body mention the chrome 32 ford grill ?

[tubman]

Most obvious difference is one hood handle per side on '33 and two on '34.

[DavidG]

When my fellow Ford employees, George DeAngelis and Ed Francis (may they both RIP), first published their outstanding book covering the 1932-1938 model years, I kidded them about two aspects of it. Well known as Model A experts, neither owned a '32-'38 Ford and that showed up in the rare, but noticeable error where gaps in surviving Ford records led them astray. The second poke in the ribs was why stop with the 1938 models? The '36s as an end point, sure. The '39s as perhaps the best alternative, sure. But the '38s?


Please do not misunderstand, I use their book at least once a week and sometimes once a day, it is outstanding as it is based entirely on the microfilm archives of Ford before they were donated to the Henry Ford. It its a priceless source of accurate information with only arguable errors as to timing caused by the absence of key engineering release form copies, despite their having sought all of the relevant ones.


Their statement about what we generally think of as '34 grilles being used on late '33 model passenger cars is arguable for the simple reason that the number of parts involved in such a change is far larger than I think they realized and the data on some of the engineering release forms for some of those parts do not support a pre-Job#1 '34 model part use.


Apart from the grilles themselves, there is the entire hood, the four grille-to-radiator attachment brackets, the radiator cap, the Ford emblem and its attachment components, the die cast base for the emblem, the V8 emblem and its background field and their attachment components, and last, but hardly least, is the cowl of the body where the form of the hood latch catches at the bottom on the cowl sides is entirely different for the two model years.


Unless the release dates of all of those components are reasonably consistent, the early use of '34 grilles on late '33 passenger cars may be difficult to document, at least as long as the BFRC in Dearborn remains closed to the public.

[woodiewagon46]

I don't know if this has been mentioned but it looks like some sort of English road race or rally. If you look closely the Deuce roadster has the windshield wiper and steering wheel on the right side.

[DavidG]

With respect, it is a '32 phaeton (note the rear door). It is equipped with the '33-'34 British Model 14 headlamp bar (photo below) which lacks the arch of the '32 bar and therefore lowers the headlamps. The headlamps themselves appear to the '32 version and not the Model 14 version.


That is not the first British '32 to show up in an old photo with a chrome-plated radiator shell and some loose survivors exist as well. The when and what of their application remains on the research to-do list.

[petehoovie]

Originally Posted by DavidG

With respect, it is a '32 phaeton (note the rear door). It is equipped with the '33-'34 British Model 14 headlamp bar (photo below) which lacks the arch of the '32 bar and therefore lowers the headlamps. The headlamps themselves appear to the '32 version and not the Model 14 version.


That is not the first British '32 to show up in an old photo with a chrome-plated radiator shell and some loose survivors exist as well. The when and what of their application remains on the research to-do list.

[V8COOPMAN]

Originally Posted by woodiewagon46

I don't know if this has been mentioned but it looks like some sort of English road race or rally. If you look closely the Deuce roadster has the windshield wiper and steering wheel on the right side.

Check the gi-hugic headlights on the '32, as well as the lights atop the front fenders. That's a European thing, isn't it?

Coop

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[DavidG]

Coop,

The U.K. fender lamps in post #1 and Pete's enlargement in #2 are the '32 version and were used instead of cowl lamps. The U .K. fender lamps in my photos in post #16 and Pete's enlargement in #17 are the somewhat streamlined version used on the '33-'34 Model Fourteens, basically refined '32 Briggs saloons (sedans) with a revised greenhouse, skirted fenders, and other changes such as the head lamps and bumpers.

[highbeams]

Originally Posted by V8COOPMAN

Check the gi-hugic headlights on the '32, as well as the lights atop the front fenders. That's a European thing, isn't it?

Coop

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I was going to comment on that! "Is that reeely a '32? I originally searched 'images of 1933 Ford'. 100 pics came up. When I returned to the site to get info on the pic that I copied with caption, it wasn't in the 100, Coop. try a search yourself -