New Focused-Beam LED Headlights

[Conaway2]

Has anyone tried these new LED headlights ? LogoLites website says these provide true high and low beam, do not use existing reflectors and work behind the original headlight lens.

Thanks - Jim

[Badpuppy]

https://www.logolites.com/products/l...ed-headlights/

No change to reflectors.

$50 a pop.

[Keith True]

I think a change in the wording is needed.When they say,reflector not used,it means the reflector is not part of the lighting process,It becomes a bulb holder.Somebody asked me how the new bulbs could be installed if they took the reflector out.I was kind of puzzled as to what they were talking about,until I read the paperwork.They were taking the statement,reflectors not used,literally.They just no longer come into play for lighting.

[Ruth]

Originally Posted by Badpuppy

https://www.logolites.com/products/l...ed-headlights/

No change to reflectors.

$50 a pop.

The ad says BRIGHT WHITE. I would perfer they had a warm white more like the original bulbs.

[Conaway2]

Originally Posted by Keith True

I think a change in the wording is needed.When they say,reflector not used,it means the reflector is not part of the lighting process,It becomes a bulb holder.Somebody asked me how the new bulbs could be installed if they took the reflector out.I was kind of puzzled as to what they were talking about,until I read the paperwork.They were taking the statement,reflectors not used,literally.They just no longer come into play for lighting.

My wording was poor and confusing - thanks for catching it.
As I read the ad, the reflectors are still in the headlight bucket; the new LED headlights do not need them to project light.

Jim

[Keith True]

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It's not your wording,it's the vendors wording.The guy I talked to never saw anything on the forums.The vendor states the reflectors are not used.I read that as the reflectors are not used as part of the lighting operation.He read it as the reflectors are not utilized,period.Same words can be seen different ways by two different people,depending on the context and what the reader has in his mind.

[nkaminar]

I used LED's on my Model T, not these ones, and were happy with them. Low beam was dim beam as per the original lights on a Model T.

My car has been converted over to halogen with a different socket. They are bright but don't last nearly as long as the LED's. I would change over but it would require changing back to the original sockets, etc.

[burner31]

These look very promising, (I'm using LED's now, but not real happy with them), but at $49.95 each...I think I'll wait and see if they come down to $49.95 a pair before I try them out...I'd hate to blow one out at the current price. But I do like where things are heading with these LED's, and I do agree that a softer light might be more artistic.
Hope some Barner's try them out and let us know how they like them.
JMHO

[Alaska Mike]

I just put a pair in my Model A. They are pretty bright. Very "white". But definitely change direction when switching from high to low beam. I haven't had the opportunity to do much night driving yet, but they look good in the driveway shining on the garage door.

[GeneBob]

I have been running the previous generation of LogoLites LED bulbs and found that they focus okay but the focus does not seem precise. I am looking forward to trying the new bulbs out sometime. I think their new approach is genius.
I emailed back and forth with them a few months ago and found them to be very helpful and a first class bunch.

[Badpuppy]

A big plus is you could use your old crusty dusty dented reflectors with no worries.

$100 a pair is a bit steep; I also would prefer a calmer color. I've never had a problem with lighting up the darkness in yellow light. Bright white can glare back into your eyes.

[1930artdeco]

$100 a pair is nothing. I am looking at $400 for a set for my 57 wagon. But they will have correct looking glass lenses and not the weird looking lenses. Hoping they come down a bit over the course of a year.

Mike

[Anteek29]

I remember when Halogens were the latest big item

[Dick Carne]

My concern with any LED headlight would be whether they might appear to "blind" oncoming traffic. I have been using halogens to this point, which seem to adequately light the road ahead without overwhelming oncoming traffic. I wonder if the "focus" when on low-beam referred to for these new bulbs would be sufficient to prevent "night blindness" for traffic coming from the other direction. Any thoughts?

[Bob Johnson]

I looked at the information on the Logolites web site.


First you must leave the reflectors in the headlights because this LED bulb plugs into the socket in the reflector. However this LED bulb does not send light to the reflector. It sends the light directly to the headlight lens. With the original incandescent bulb the light from the bulb is sent out in all directions and when it bounces off the reflector it reflects in a horizontal line out to the lens. With this LED bulb the light is sent out directly to the lens. This LED bulb has a special lens which they claim "focuses" the light properly to produce the same results as the reflected light of the original set up.


As far as blinding the oncoming cars. That is a function of the tilt of your headlights. If they are set correctly the light will not "blind" the oncoming cars.



They are more costly than other LED lights. But if they work as shown they might be useful to someone who drives at night.


I do like that they are 6-12 volts and positive or negative ground.


Just my thoughts.

Bob

[MrBruce]

My 31 S/W Town Sedan has original "Silvered" reflectors and in over 40 years they haven't changed. Every car that comes towards me at night (I do a lot of night driving) flashes there lights at me! My 30 pickup had LED head lights and they were not good, but I ordered a set of these new ones just to evaluate them on my 31 Pickup and see what they look like. I finally got the 31 pickup lights to at least work, but haven't had time to level and focus them. If they work as good as the S/W I won't use the LED lights. I like the tail lights and they are definitely bright and have them on both the 31's and have dual lights on both of them. Working on turn signals now as it's getting really hard with hand signals (never had so many people wave at me) guess they don't teach that in drivers ed any longer?

[GeneBob]

Originally Posted by MrBruce

My 31 S/W Town Sedan has original "Silvered" reflectors and in over 40 years they haven't changed. Every car that comes towards me at night (I do a lot of night driving) flashes there lights at me!

Sounds like your headlights are mis-aligned and/or out of focus. Poorly aimed headlights will be aimed at oncoming traffic. Poorly focused headlights make a bright glow that goes everywhere including oncoming traffic.
It took some tinkering but I got my LED bulbs to focus pretty well into a definite LOW beam and more general HIGH beam. The new cars have spoiled me though with the new headlights throwing light further down the road (but still low on the road).

[MrBruce]

No there not poorly aimed! They are better than our 2015 Honda, and aimed like the service bulletins.

[redmodelt]

Has anyone given thought to, the aim can change with passengers in the car if the springs are not up to snuff.

[updraught]

Originally Posted by Dick Carne

My concern with any LED headlight would be whether they might appear to "blind" oncoming traffic. I have been using halogens to this point, which seem to adequately light the road ahead without overwhelming oncoming traffic. I wonder if the "focus" when on low-beam referred to for these new bulbs would be sufficient to prevent "night blindness" for traffic coming from the other direction. Any thoughts?

The cut off doesn't look bad? It would be good if people could post similar photos from about 20 feet away.
https://www.logolites.com/wp-content...1000x281-1.jpg

[GeneBob]

Originally Posted by MrBruce

No there not poorly aimed! They are better than our 2015 Honda, and aimed like the service bulletins.

Why are people flashing their headlights at you? Sounds like something is causing that reaction from oncoming drivers.

[updraught]

Thread back from the dead.

Has anyone managed to order anything from the Logolites web site checking out as a guest? Tried every which way on multiple devices and browsers etc. and it keeps complaining about the telephone number.

It doesn't accept the Logolites telephone number either ...

[Bill G]

Originally Posted by updraught

Thread back from the dead.

Has anyone managed to order anything from the Logolites web site checking out as a guest? Tried every which way on multiple devices and browsers etc. and it keeps complaining about the telephone number.

It doesn't accept the Logolites telephone number either ...

I ordered as a guest, but I don't recall an issue, but then again, I have a US phone number. Is a phone number a required field? I don't remember. What I do remember is that their online ordering system as a guest is rather funky.

[updraught]

Originally Posted by Bill G

I ordered as a guest, but I don't recall an issue, but then again, I have a US phone number. Is a phone number a required field? I don't remember. What I do remember is that their online ordering system as a guest is rather funky.

Yes, the phone number is the first required field. I've tried US and local numbers. It rejects them all.

[M Eisenbise]

These are not warm lights because the cool white lights illuminate items better. Feel you can easily google this. There will be an article coming out in the May/June issue of the MAFCA Restorer magazine that evaluated several warm white and cool white light bulbs. The cool white or yellow tinted bulbs do not work as well for this reason European countries have laws requiring the cool white bulbs. Hope this helps.

[katy]

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In daylight I've noticed some modern cars coming towards me w/led headlights, the lights seem to flicker, but I don't doesn't see it at night.
Anyone else noticed this?

[alexiskai]

Originally Posted by katy

In daylight I've noticed some modern cars coming towards me w/led headlights, the lights seem to flicker, but I don't doesn't see it at night.
Anyone else noticed this?

If a modern car came with halogen lights, sometimes the OEM's way of getting daytime running lights is to supply a low voltage to the bulb. When those bulbs are replaced by the owner with LEDs, the daytime low voltage causes the LEDs to flicker. At night, when the lights are "on," they get full voltage and act normally.

[Ernie Vitucci]

I had a girlfriend like that...many, many years ago! Ernie in Arizona

[gdmn852]

Hello, might be that the original aiming is for similar era cars,newer cars drivers probably sitting closer to the ground than in 1930s so they are eye level with Model A headlights. I also get a lot of waves with hand signals not so sure most people know what they are.

[Harpkatt]

Purchased a set. The visibility is incredible. Still looks wrong to me, but I can't see them while I'm driving anyway. Mine flicker,previous LED's did too. I'll figure that out.

[Y-Blockhead]

One added 'bonus' I see is since the new LED bulbs don't use the reflector, my front turn signal lights, which are in the reflectors, show up much better when the headlights are on.

[ndnchf]

I installed the focused beam LEDs a few months ago and am very pleased with them. With the stock generator adjusted to its lowest output, I still get a slight positive charge on the ammeter. I also have LED tail lights.

[Swingle]

I asked the company if they offered a club discount, and what it would take.


The reply back was "We offer Model A clubs a 20% discount on a minimum $1000 order after discount ($1,251 before discount), not including shipping charges. The order must be on a club letter head. The order can be prepaid with a check. The order may also be charged to a credit card but a 3% processing fee will be added. The order may be comprised of any of the products, except replacement parts, on our website."


In rough figures, you would need to order 26 bulbs to get a discount of $251, and essentially, get 5 bulbs free.


He needs to see your website to prove that you are a car club, and not an individual pretending to be representing a club.


I have shown him website, didn't buy it. Have sent him references to the car club and web site from Hemmings and MARC sites. See if he buys that.


All of this work kind of leaving a bad taste in my mouth. Driving season almost over, maybe I will wait and see if the prices will come down by the time that Spring rolls around....

[katy]

Originally Posted by Swingle

Driving season almost over, maybe I will wait and see if the prices will come down by the time that Spring rolls around....

My bet is that the prices will be up by then.

[Herb Concord Ca]

X2 on what katy said.

[alexiskai]

Let's check back on Mar 21st and see. The price at the LL website is $49.95 as of today. I bet the price will be $52 or lower on 3/21, i.e., either up less than 5%, unchanged, or decreased.

[oldman - NorCal]

I too, installed the LED Focused Beam LED Headlights, Run Lights, and Brake Lights prior to driving to Texas in June. The headlights draw 1.3 amps each and the tail and brake lights with brakes applied draw less than 1 amp. Old school guys like NDNCHF and myself still running generators will like the low power requirement and not having to fiddle with the 3rd brush anymore. I just set the generator to about 3-4 amps and forgot about it. As far as brightness, big improvement over incandescent bulbs. Yes, they are expensive but, I'm looking for any advantage or improvement I can get regarding safety and these bulbs really help during night-time driving.

[Gene F]

Originally Posted by oldman - NorCal

I too, installed the LED Focused Beam LED Headlights, Run Lights, and Brake Lights prior to driving to Texas in June. The headlights draw 1.3 amps each and the tail and brake lights with brakes applied draw less than 1 amp. Old school guys like NDNCHF and myself still running generators will like the low power requirement and not having to fiddle with the 3rd brush anymore. I just set the generator to about 3-4 amps and forgot about it. As far as brightness, big improvement over incandescent bulbs. Yes, they are expensive but, I'm looking for any advantage or improvement I can get regarding safety and these bulbs really help during night-time driving.

So are these the ones you used? https://www.snydersantiqueauto.com/p...3078&cat=41727

[Ivan in southeast va.]

I am currently using the 12v halogen head lights which have their own
reflectors with larger holes for the bulbs. Would I be better off getting the bulbs in the picture or use the original reflectors and get the bulbs mentioned above?

[ndnchf]

Originally Posted by Gene F

So are these the ones you used? https://www.snydersantiqueauto.com/p...3078&cat=41727

Yes, Those are the ones I use.

[Gene F]

Originally Posted by ndnchf

Yes, Those are the ones I use.

Thank you.

[Keith True]

After I used those the price became unimportant.I had a very low mile car with perfect reflectors,original or very old bulbs,and just a touch of the adjusting screw would change the focus.They were probably as good as the day they were made.I could see reflective things a LONG way off.The problem was that I couldn't see a deer or bear 300 feet in front of me.I didn't care that I could see roadside delineators a half mile away,I need to see what's in front of me in real time.Not only can I see the animals now,it almost looks like somebody used a highlighter to mark the shapes.My number one reason to use them now is the low draw.

[Badpuppy]

Originally Posted by Ivan in southeast va.

I am currently using the 12v halogen head lights which have their own
reflectors with larger holes for the bulbs. Would I be better off getting the bulbs in the picture or use the original reflectors and get the bulbs mentioned above?

LEDs would last longer, don't get as hot, and probably throw more light than what you have. Original reflectors don't have to be in great shape either.

[rotorwrench]

The doped semi-conductors are rather fragile when it comes to heat. They make enough heat to damage themselves if they are not heat sinked or have mechanical cooling for long term use. The real test on these bulbs is how long they will last in service. Flickering is likely due to the way the power is generated that feeds them so some flickering may be noticed depending on whether the car has a 3 brush generator or an alternator. Model A headlights tend to shake a bit on bumpy roads and especially if the springs & shocks are not up to snuff.

LEDs can be made to put out about any color imaginable but white is likely better when it comes to use for headlamps. The non-focus LEDs are available in white and still use the reflector in the lamp to put out the beam. The bulbs are positioned in the reflector to give a proper beam for high and low beam.

This is a fairly good link for photos.
http://www.gwcmodela.com/pdfs/meetin...20Upgrades.pdf

[Gene F]

Originally Posted by ndnchf

Yes, Those are the ones I use.

They came Friday. They sound great without a lot of current draw. I bet I am going to love them.

[denniskliesen]

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I have had flickering problems with mine and I suspect alternator problem. Recently they seem to be ok driving local. My only complaint is the high beam needs to be slightly lower than what it is. If I adjust for the high beam to be lower, the low beam is too low to see anything at a reason distance. The headlight has to be aimed to get the focused light where it needs to be same as the incandescent. One of the features that is good is the beam is flattened so to speak and the light can be leveled. These aren’t perfect, but better than the LED made in the past. And much better than the incandescent. If logo lites wanted to improve these, make them so the high beam of light can be adjusted independent of the low beam and make the focus adjustable.

[Badpuppy]

Originally Posted by denniskliesen

1) I have had flickering problems with mine and I suspect alternator problem
2) make the focus adjustable
3) make them so the high beam of light can be adjusted independent of the low beam.

1) Reinforce your headlight grounding
2) You're asking for standard bulbs
3) You're asking for the sky

Never hurts to ask.

[denniskliesen]

I don’t rely on grounding through the bar to frame etc. I use the third wire for a ground.

[Keith True]

I don't see the price going anywhere but up.When you have a product that is in demand,and can't keep with the demand,there is just no reason to drop the price.I couldn't get some a while back,(sold out).After I did get them I thought about it and bought a couple more,I'll use them,and can probably brag how I bought them when they were $50.each.

[Doug in NJ]

I got a pair, and I'm glad I did. I can drive at night without being scared.


Doug

[Gene F]

Well here are stats. I used a lumens meter.
Both bulbs (before) at the 25' target = low <1 foot candle, high about 2 foot candles.
The new bulbs lumens went to: 4.5 ish on low, 5 on high.

Not a ton of differnece between high beams and low beams now. To the naked eye they are very different. Instead of the light looking a bit yellow on the white target, the light looks pure white now.

I used my light meter to assist me in aming them. I did not adjust the focus.

The amp draw change was not significant, because I did not have to adjust the brushes on the generator to maintain + at idle. Although it is very close to neutral charge at idele on high beam.

The real test will be to get it out some night and drive it. I sometimes take it to some of our evening chapter meetings.