Go Back   The Ford Barn > General Discussion > Model A (1928-31)

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-04-2016, 10:28 PM   #1
Jim Mason
Senior Member
 
Jim Mason's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 910
Default early 28 brake light swtich

Anybody have photos of the early 28 brake light switch (with out the ribs on the legs)? I'm especially looking for the position of the tabs that hold the cover in place. or if you have one you'd sell...
Tia
Jim
__________________
www.jmodela.coffeecup.com
Fwiw, jm.
Jim Mason is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-2016, 10:47 PM   #2
Bick in New Zealand
Senior Member
 
Bick in New Zealand's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Napier New Zealand
Posts: 931
Default Re: early 28 brake light swtich

Pulled these from my file, unfortunately am unable to give credit to the source, but good shot of tabs.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Area%202%20002.jpg (115.3 KB, 96 views)
File Type: jpg user6365_pic2790_1278001730.jpg (65.4 KB, 99 views)
__________________
1928 Roadster (CA67)
1931 Deluxe Coupe RHD
1931 Victoria RHD


Model A's don't leak oil they just mark their territory.
Bick in New Zealand is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
Old 11-04-2016, 11:26 PM   #3
Jim Mason
Senior Member
 
Jim Mason's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 910
Default Re: early 28 brake light swtich

Perfect! thanks bick.
__________________
www.jmodela.coffeecup.com
Fwiw, jm.
Jim Mason is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2016, 01:24 PM   #4
Gary Karr
Senior Member
 
Gary Karr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 1,483
Default Re: early 28 brake light swtich

Bick, those were my pictures. I recognize the hideous pink towel! Jim, if you need any additional shots, circle back to me. You may remember this switch as one of the two I bought off of EBay several years ago and was criticized on one of the sites for paying what I did for them!
Gary Karr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2016, 01:39 PM   #5
Jim Mason
Senior Member
 
Jim Mason's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 910
Default Re: early 28 brake light swtich

Yeah I remember, I said I had two for sale for less than you paid for one and couldn't sell them. that was years before. now I wish I could find one. Seems you got a steal for whatever price you paid. I'm trying to develop a plan on how to remove the ribs, and move the tabs on a later one, and still have a functional switch. lot easier to buy.

I also remember walking past sheet metal and scoffing at the price in the 70's...oh to find those prices again
__________________
www.jmodela.coffeecup.com
Fwiw, jm.
Jim Mason is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2016, 03:42 PM   #6
Bick in New Zealand
Senior Member
 
Bick in New Zealand's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Napier New Zealand
Posts: 931
Default Re: early 28 brake light swtich

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
Thanks Gary, have changed file name so I will know next time. Prices in the 70's.... yep, yep, yep.... trouble was I had a mortgage, three young kids, and a beginning teacher's salary... still couldn't afford them!
__________________
1928 Roadster (CA67)
1931 Deluxe Coupe RHD
1931 Victoria RHD


Model A's don't leak oil they just mark their territory.
Bick in New Zealand is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-17-2016, 09:24 PM   #7
DaWizard
BANNED
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Dizzyland Ca
Posts: 332
Send a message via AIM to DaWizard
Default Re: early 28 brake light swtich

WORD OF CAUTION !!!

Be sure you have a fuse inline as this type of switch CAN short out IF you pull the rod into the housing. It takes your tongue in the right place and adjusting just so to get the pedal travel to switch movement correct. I recommend using a spring between the pedal clevis pin and the switch to keep from pulling the switch rod too far.

I also think there should be a fuse inline with both wires to keep from frying things.
__________________
New owner of '28 Tudor
Previously owned;
'30 Sport Coupe
'28 left brake ccPickup
'31 SW Town Sedan
'28 AA Stake Bed
'30 Cabriolet
'42 Super Deluxe 4door Sedan

"If it don't fit, get a bigger hammer.
If it breaks...... ya needed a new one anyway!!"

Doing a good job here is like wetting your pants in a dark suit.
It gives you a warm feeling, but nobody notices.

Never pass up a bathroom
Never neglect an erection
Never trust a fart
DaWizard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-17-2016, 09:27 PM   #8
Jim Mason
Senior Member
 
Jim Mason's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 910
Default Re: early 28 brake light swtich

Still looking...
__________________
www.jmodela.coffeecup.com
Fwiw, jm.
Jim Mason is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2016, 07:13 PM   #9
Jim Mason
Senior Member
 
Jim Mason's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 910
Default Re: early 28 brake light swtich

I had a question from a fellow member re:the early brake light switch I'm looking for, so I bumped this to the top
__________________
www.jmodela.coffeecup.com
Fwiw, jm.
Jim Mason is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2016, 07:42 PM   #10
iverson
Senior Member
 
iverson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: freeport il
Posts: 316
Default Re: early 28 brake light swtich

Jim if I understand the difference the later ones have ribs on mounting legs? I think there's to much greese on ours tell! My spare has the I think correct link ours is just wire but it does work!
Attached Images
File Type: jpg IMG_1810.jpg (91.9 KB, 102 views)
iverson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2016, 07:58 PM   #11
iverson
Senior Member
 
iverson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: freeport il
Posts: 316
Default Re: early 28 brake light swtich

Here's a little better pic our tank date is 6-21-28 vin a216238 what month is yours Jim?
Attached Images
File Type: jpg IMG_1811.jpg (130.5 KB, 73 views)
iverson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2016, 08:04 PM   #12
Jim Mason
Senior Member
 
Jim Mason's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 910
Default Re: early 28 brake light swtich

I'm building to April standards. that us the later switch. thanks for checking
__________________
www.jmodela.coffeecup.com
Fwiw, jm.
Jim Mason is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-2016, 01:42 PM   #13
Charles Reese
Senior Member
 
Charles Reese's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Richmond, VA
Posts: 882
Default Re: early 28 brake light swtich

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary Karr View Post
Bick, those were my pictures. I recognize the hideous pink towel!
Just to add detail to Mr. Karr's photos.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg early stop light switch-bottom (cr).jpg (95.7 KB, 56 views)
File Type: jpg early stop light switch-top (cr).jpg (110.5 KB, 61 views)
File Type: jpg DSC00087.jpg (78.9 KB, 62 views)
File Type: jpg DSC00082.jpg (102.9 KB, 50 views)
Charles Reese is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2016, 01:59 PM   #14
ElliottA
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 9
Default Re: early 28 brake light swtich

Hi all. I tried to install an LED brake light bar today thinking it could't be that tough. I even got a new brake light switch that looks like the photos above. I have a 1929 Tudor sedan.
Anyway, the switch that was in theredid not look quite like these but I attached wires to the positive and then to a ground. Nothing. I thought I may have gotten them wrong so I switched and the brake light came on constantly. So then, I think I messed up. I pulled the little pin part of the switch back towards the back of the car to see if it would do anything and it looks like I may have shorted it as nothing wants to come on at all now. Crap! I am charging the battery now as it was pretty low but I'm scared I did something really bad. Any thoughts? Thanks
ElliottA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2016, 08:09 PM   #15
Tom Wesenberg
Senior Member
 
Tom Wesenberg's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Mpls, MN
Posts: 27,582
Default Re: early 28 brake light swtich

I'm not understanding exactly what you did, so I'll just comment on the path for the original brake light. First of all remember that the Model A has + ground, so hopefully your LED has two wires, so you can ground the + wire, then run power to the negative wire.

Now for the brake switch, be sure neither terminal makes contact to the switch body whether the switch is off or pulled on. Your wire harness should have two green wires going to the brake switch, and it doesn't matter which one goes to which terminal. One green wire has power at all times, then feeds it to the other green brake light wire when the switch is pulled on.
Tom Wesenberg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2016, 08:34 PM   #16
DaWizard
BANNED
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Dizzyland Ca
Posts: 332
Send a message via AIM to DaWizard
Default Re: early 28 brake light swtich

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Wesenberg View Post
I'm not understanding exactly what you did, so I'll just comment on the path for the original brake light. First of all remember that the Model A has + ground, so hopefully your LED has two wires, so you can ground the + wire, then run power to the negative wire.

Now for the brake switch, be sure neither terminal makes contact to the switch body whether the switch is off or pulled on. Your wire harness should have two green wires going to the brake switch, and it doesn't matter which one goes to which terminal. One green wire has power at all times, then feeds it to the other green brake light wire when the switch is pulled on.
Exactly, and the +wire of the LED light hooks to chassis, and the -wire from the LED hooks to the NOT CONSTANT wire on the brake light switch.

That way, when you apply the brake the switch energizes the LED light along with the brake light.

Be very careful with the adjustment of the switch to pedal, if depressing the pedal pulls the rod through the back hole in the switch, it WILL short out and burn up the brake light wiring and possibly the rest of the harness to the headlight switch if you don't have a fuse somewhere between the wiring and the battery.
DaWizard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2016, 08:55 PM   #17
ElliottA
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 9
Default Re: early 28 brake light swtich

ughh, well that's what I'm worried has happened. I think I hooked it up in reverse and when I pulled the rod through I saw a tiny spark and then nothing on the car would come on, no lights, nothin. Super. The frustration is that the reason I wanted to do this was that my brake lights weren't lighting in the first place and I thought this might be a better route.
So what is the plan now? After the battery is fully charged, I can try and figure out what if anything has power with the voltmeter? Forgive the super basic question but, are there no fuses at all on a Model A? Seems like it's so well designed in other ways. I would really like to get it started and then bring it over to someone who knows more than I at a classic car shop but I fear there may be a tow truck in my future.
ElliottA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2016, 09:17 PM   #18
DaWizard
BANNED
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Dizzyland Ca
Posts: 332
Send a message via AIM to DaWizard
Default Re: early 28 brake light swtich

Providing the car is all original, there are NO fuses at all within the wiring.

Where are you at?

Now, IF the previous owner took the time and money, there could be one mounted on the starter switch, if not, you toasted the wire from the headlight switch to the brake light switch.

Cross your fingers that if the latter happened, it was only one wire toasted and not the whole bundle to the headlight switch.
DaWizard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2016, 09:47 PM   #19
ElliottA
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 9
Default Re: early 28 brake light swtich

I'm in Clearwater Florida. The car was converted to 12V so I can pray that he also put in a fuse. Will it be obvious when I look at the starter? Is it an in line fuse I can just switch out?
If I did fry the whole bundle, can I still start the car if the battery is good?

I wish there was a Model A community here to help me learn but I just found a shop nearby today that does work on Brass Era cars and others so maybe I need to make some friends over there

I still think it's odd that they didn't put in fuses, but I'll have to let that go. Happy New Year!
ElliottA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2016, 09:52 PM   #20
DaWizard
BANNED
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Dizzyland Ca
Posts: 332
Send a message via AIM to DaWizard
Default Re: early 28 brake light swtich

Yes, if there is a fuse on the starter it will be obvious.

Whether or not you will be able to start it or not depends on how it was rewired to 12v.

Good Luck.

PS, if you are in doubt, you can always ask here but please, take pictures so a clearer answer can be given.
DaWizard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2016, 09:56 PM   #21
Bob C
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: So Cal
Posts: 8,712
Default Re: early 28 brake light swtich

The fuse may look like this.

Bob
Attached Images
File Type: jpg fuse.asp.jpg (34.7 KB, 13 views)
Bob C is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2016, 10:15 PM   #22
ElliottA
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 9
Default Re: early 28 brake light swtich

Thank you, that really helps!
ElliottA is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
Old 12-31-2016, 11:14 PM   #23
ElliottA
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 9
Default Re: early 28 brake light swtich

Thanks for your patience and kindness. I'll have a look in the morning and send some pics if I don't understand what I see. It's been such a fun and dependable car, I hate to think I messed that up, but at least I'm learning some new stuff
ElliottA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2016, 11:49 PM   #24
Pickupman
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Kingwood, Texas
Posts: 444
Default Re: early 28 brake light swtich

Way to Hijack another members thread


Quote:
Originally Posted by ElliottA View Post
Hi all. I tried to install an LED brake light bar today thinking it could't be that tough. I even got a new brake light switch that looks like the photos above. I have a 1929 Tudor sedan.
Anyway, the switch that was in theredid not look quite like these but I attached wires to the positive and then to a ground. Nothing. I thought I may have gotten them wrong so I switched and the brake light came on constantly. So then, I think I messed up. I pulled the little pin part of the switch back towards the back of the car to see if it would do anything and it looks like I may have shorted it as nothing wants to come on at all now. Crap! I am charging the battery now as it was pretty low but I'm scared I did something really bad. Any thoughts? Thanks
Pickupman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2017, 10:11 AM   #25
ElliottA
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 9
Default Re: early 28 brake light swtich

Certainly didn't mean to hijack anything. This was and is a discussion on brake light switches, their appearance and cautions about them. It seemed like an appropriate group to ask my question tagging on to the previous discussion.

So the New Year seems to have brought some good news. There is indeed a fuse holder on the starter like the one Bob C posted above. Also someone bypassed the old fuse bracket and put in a holder for a modern 30 amp fuse, which is blown. Sooo, I will go get a new fuse and see if she fires up! Is there anything else I need to do? I so appreciate everyone's help here and when I decide to try the brake light project again and have questions I swear I'll start a new thread
ElliottA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2017, 01:35 PM   #26
Pickupman
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Kingwood, Texas
Posts: 444
Default Re: early 28 brake light swtich

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
No, It was a discussion on early 28 brake light switch. Go read the title of the thread and what Jim posted as his question.


Quote:
Originally Posted by ElliottA View Post
Certainly didn't mean to hijack anything. This was and is a discussion on brake light switches, their appearance and cautions about them. It seemed like an appropriate group to ask my question tagging on to the previous discussion.

So the New Year seems to have brought some good news. There is indeed a fuse holder on the starter like the one Bob C posted above. Also someone bypassed the old fuse bracket and put in a holder for a modern 30 amp fuse, which is blown. Sooo, I will go get a new fuse and see if she fires up! Is there anything else I need to do? I so appreciate everyone's help here and when I decide to try the brake light project again and have questions I swear I'll start a new thread
Pickupman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2017, 01:58 PM   #27
Jim Mason
Senior Member
 
Jim Mason's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 910
Default Re: early 28 brake light swtich

No problem with me. hope you find your answer
__________________
www.jmodela.coffeecup.com
Fwiw, jm.
Jim Mason is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2017, 03:32 PM   #28
ElliottA
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 9
Default Re: early 28 brake light swtich

Thanks guys, I did find my answer, drove it all around today. I assume that is one of the goals of this group, enjoying your car, not sniping new members 10 min before New Years, you stay classy PickupMan.
Thanks again to everyone who helped, how sweet is life when a blown fuse fixes everything!
ElliottA is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:17 PM.