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Old 11-10-2016, 08:05 AM   #21
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I am sure you tried, but if not, did you try a search of the old newspapers of the times for an article about this "show"?

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My historic newspaper searches have been restricted to the "Manchester Guardian "which was a major national UK paper but somewhat Manchester orientated hence the name! ( Trafford Park as I'm sure you are aware is an industrial estate in Manchester.) In later years the newspaper dropped the " Manchester " bit and became simply "The Guardian" which still exists.

PS D'you think they put the sidelights on these very early show-cars when they arrived in the UK?- I wonder if they had time to wire them up for the show or if they were just screwed in in haste!
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Old 11-11-2016, 04:00 AM   #22
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PS D'you think they put the sidelights on these very early show-cars when they arrived in the UK?- I wonder if they had time to wire them up for the show or if they were just screwed in in haste!

You can clearly see the wiring for the wing lamps in this picture from the Autocar article.
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Old 11-11-2016, 04:28 AM   #23
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Here is a drawing of the chassis, from the same article. Although not technically accurate, it does illustrate a number of the very early features, and is special because it is RHD. It also shows the normal shock setup compared the earlier version shown above. What fascinates me is the brake retracting springs, which I have never seen before coming off the centre cross member. Apologies for the quality of these as I was unable to scan it and had to resort to taking a picture with one hand and trying to keep the page open with the other.
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Old 11-11-2016, 07:10 AM   #24
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The instructions regarding the fender light are English as "centre" is spelt in English as apposed to "center" spelt in American . Could be a Canadian print but I dont know how Canadians spell centre/center or even tyres/tires !!!

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The instructions regarding the fender light are English as "centre" is spelt in English as apposed to "center" spelt in American . Could be a Canadian print but I dont know how Canadians spell centre/center or even tyres/tires !!!

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In Canada we spell centre and tire(s).
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Old 11-12-2016, 12:03 AM   #26
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....However Nevins and Hill Ford on six Continents implies an A was shown in Dec 1927 at the Holland Park Show London. ( no supporting evidence found for this ) .....
John,

If you need more "supporting evidence" about the 2-10 December 1927 exhibition at the Holland Park Hall, here is a photo of the cover of the official catalogue/program from that event:


....and the schedule of events (note the Authorized Ford Dealers and their senior staff by-invitation-only viewing from 10am-2pm on 2 December 1927):


....and here is the list of the Model A's that were on display:


....and photos from the catalogue of the artist renderings of the cars that were on display (plus one extra):




....and the list of the commercial vehicles that were on display:


...and photos from the catalogue of the artist renderings of the commercial vehicles that were on display:



The catalogue consists of 100 pages describing everything from the title of the music played each hour on each day, to advertisements from local Ford and Fordson dealers and Ford/Fordson accessory and commercial custom body builders along with maps of the various halls and lists of the dealers at each of the booths, etc, etc.

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Old 11-12-2016, 02:59 AM   #27
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Fantastic Brad, thanks for posting.
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Old 11-12-2016, 05:36 AM   #28
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Wonderful item, Brad
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Interesting Brad. That's the first time I've ever heard of a ton and a half referred to as 30-cwt.
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Interesting Brad. That's the first time I've ever heard of a ton and a half referred to as 30-cwt.
8 cwt (hundredweight), 15 cwt, 30 cwt and 60 cwt correspond roughly to the American loads of 1/2 short ton, 3/4 ton, 1.5 ton and 3 ton, respectively.
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Old 11-13-2016, 04:52 AM   #31
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A CWT is 112 lbs.20 CWT is 2240 lbs which is a long ton . 2000 lbs is a short ton . So a 30 CWT truck is 3360 lbs . The reason for long and short dates back to shipping to try to avoid short measure .

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Old 12-14-2016, 02:29 AM   #32
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Could this possibly be one of those elusive "side lights" (fender lights) from one of those initial Model A's in the UK?

Here is the drawing from the book "The NEW FORD CAR" (Brown, UK, 1928, page 83):


Here are the photos of what I suspect is one of those original fender lights:





Has any one ever seen, or have, one of these fender lights?

Is it a Ford product or perhaps just an aftermarket part?

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Old 12-14-2016, 01:56 PM   #33
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In my opinion, they are probably just a proprietary part from one of the many English suppliers. Here in NZ there are many English cars of that era and all have 'wing lamps' It is not something I have closely taken an interest in, but will from now on. Good find, does it come apart like the diagram?
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Old 12-15-2016, 07:23 AM   #34
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If you need more "supporting evidence" about the 2-10 December 1927 exhibition at the Holland Park Hall, here is a photo of the cover of the official catalogue/program from that event:

....and here is the list of the Model A's that were on display:

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I was interested to see that the word Phaeton was replaced with Tourer and Touring Car in this program. Was the Phaeton term peculiar to USA, and not used in the UK or Europe?
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Model T's were called "TOURING", but the new Model A was call "PHAETON" in the US, but I'm not sure about overseas.
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Thanks to all for the pictures very interesting and cool to know that stuff is still around.
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