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Old 06-06-2021, 06:22 AM   #21
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Clem is right that the shaft isn't held firmly on axis. Two other items were a mystery to me.

The hook of the pivot lock plate (red arrow) doesn't fully engage the "handle" to the left of it in the pic below. That is with the pivot lock plate in my hand and trying to find some angle where it would engage the round cross section.
The stamped ridge on the top of the "handle" is surely part of the system, but I couldn't find any angle that would work. Should it? That seems to be the mechanism to lock the hood.

The disc (green arrow) tries to rotate when the handle is turned, but its ~3/16" thick edge just butts up against the edge of the pivot lock plate and doesn't lift it to unlock the hood. Clem has the pivot lock plate ears sticking through the bracket on the hood and a stiff wire through the ears to trap it in place. I should have taken a photo to show, but didn't. Is the disc supposed to slide under the pivot lock plate and lift it in a wedge action?


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Old 06-06-2021, 05:17 PM   #22
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I've got some left over parts from when I put the one on my'39. I'll check tomorrow.

Finally got down to the shop. Attached are photos of what latch parts I have. If some one needs them they can have them for the cost of mailing.
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Old 06-07-2021, 07:00 PM   #23
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Default Re: 1939 pickup hood latch assembly question

The disc pictured with the green arrow is 90 degrees off from where it needs to be, here is a picture of mine with the hood open and the latch in the locked open position. When you close the hood and the spring loaded black plate pictured with the red arrow is depressed you rotate the latch and you see the latching plate pictured with the green arrow in this position.
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Old 06-07-2021, 10:05 PM   #24
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I don't remember seeing the little spring. Maybe that takes up the slop.
I'll check soonest.
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Old 06-10-2021, 11:10 PM   #25
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No time yet.
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Old 06-11-2021, 05:17 PM   #26
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Seth's photo shows a small spring which I don't have. I big sloppy washer that fits o the handle shaft. The shaft of the handle is sloppy in the cross brace. The handle nut has a cast-in collar with is sloppy on the cross shaft hood brace's hole. the collar shows a minor wear pattern on its outer edge, but not enough to effect the side wobble of the shaft.
where does the little spring attach? The triangular piece had to tabs with one hole each that were bent down about 3 inches apart. Currently a short piece of wire coat hanger goes between them. The little spring stretches the 3 inches, it would keep the triangle ears in place. Whaa?

The round plate's ramp is quite worn. Anyone have a spare?
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Old 06-13-2021, 10:12 AM   #27
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I don't have the little spring Seth shows nor the lever 39portlander shows
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Old 06-16-2021, 06:29 AM   #28
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The disc pictured with the green arrow is 90 degrees off from where it needs to be, here is a picture of mine with the hood open and the latch in the locked open position. When you close the hood and the spring loaded black plate pictured with the red arrow is depressed you rotate the latch and you see the latching plate pictured with the green arrow in this position.
To clarify, is side 'A' or 'B' pointed forward with the handle in the closed position and are the "spurs" up or down?




Where is this part in the stackup of latch parts, do the points go up or down, and what points forward?




Thanks for your help!
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Old 06-16-2021, 11:43 AM   #29
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I could not tell for the first part from my assembled latch, but for the second, it is on top, ears down and pointed part towards the front. The ears stick down through holes in the hood and are pinned with cotter pins. The pointed part contacts the 'hook' on top of the grille and moves up out of the way to allow the mechanism to rotate.

From the pics I posted earlier it looks like the tabs are down on the first part. The flat is towards the front when open allowing the hook to go by. I think that should orient it fully.
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Old 06-16-2021, 02:57 PM   #30
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I could not tell for the first part from my assembled latch, but for the second, it is on top, ears down and pointed part towards the front. The ears stick down through holes in the hood and are pinned with cotter pins. The pointed part contacts the 'hook' on top of the grille and moves up out of the way to allow the mechanism to rotate.

That part is this:





From the pics I posted earlier it looks like the tabs are down on the first part. The flat is towards the front when open allowing the hook to go by. I think that should orient it fully.

I'm trying to nail down this part from post #22:

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Old 06-16-2021, 03:31 PM   #31
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Ah, I'm sorry - got them confused. I think you can just see the edge of it (the smaller triangular piece) in the picture I posted. Ears up and flat forward. The rotating piece rides inside the ears. The piece in question does not rotate when I rotate the handle.
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Old 06-19-2021, 05:30 AM   #32
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Finally got down to the shop. Attached are photos of what latch parts I have. If some one needs them they can have them for the cost of mailing.
PM sent! I'll use them on Clem's truck.
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Old 06-19-2021, 10:44 AM   #33
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Sorry but the latch parts went to a Barner in Alabama.
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Old 06-20-2021, 09:31 PM   #34
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Anybody else have '39 pickup hood latch parts?
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Old 06-20-2021, 10:39 PM   #35
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Sorry Clem I do not. If someone made a pattern it could be made from some plate steel. It's not spring steel. Probably the hardest part would be the punched holes for the handle lockout. Hope it works out for you.

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Old 06-20-2021, 11:23 PM   #36
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Clem is right that the shaft isn't held firmly on axis. Two other items were a mystery to me.

The hook of the pivot lock plate (red arrow) doesn't fully engage the "handle" to the left of it in the pic below. That is with the pivot lock plate in my hand and trying to find some angle where it would engage the round cross section.
The stamped ridge on the top of the "handle" is surely part of the system, but I couldn't find any angle that would work. Should it? That seems to be the mechanism to lock the hood.

The disc (green arrow) tries to rotate when the handle is turned, but its ~3/16" thick edge just butts up against the edge of the pivot lock plate and doesn't lift it to unlock the hood. Clem has the pivot lock plate ears sticking through the bracket on the hood and a stiff wire through the ears to trap it in place. I should have taken a photo to show, but didn't. Is the disc supposed to slide under the pivot lock plate and lift it in a wedge action?



The handle will not close, less the hood is closed and the rad post releases the pressure. You can manually release the pressure when the hood is open. The hood emblem shaft shouldn't move much as it is loosely bolted to the inner hood section. The hood will not lock closed. But does lock open. It wouldn't be good if it locks closed. There is plenty of pressure to keep it latched without a "lock". Probably a weird ford thing about people slamming the hood and not realizing the hood emblem is not aligned,


It could be the spring is worn. Slides over, if I remember right, pushes it down to release. That little tab on the opposite side of your green arrow should put pressure on the plate release. If that makes sense. The plate with the green arrow is keyed to the shaft.

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Old 06-21-2021, 03:35 AM   #37
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What is the function of this part and how thick is it? The orientation is defined in post #31.

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Old 06-22-2021, 08:29 PM   #38
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Bruce I'll take mine apart for you this weekend and take lots of pictures. It's a 38 but I believe it's similar or the same in parts to the 39.


Been a while, but I don't recall that part. Not saying it isn't there though.


Funny this thread started almost 10yrs ago with over 5k views and yet no one really knows or shows how it goes together.

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Old 06-26-2021, 05:58 PM   #39
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1938 ford. Someone might have to take a 39 apart.
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Old 06-26-2021, 06:00 PM   #40
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More... Hope this helps a little.
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