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Old 12-08-2018, 12:49 PM   #1
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Default Recap of the "Let's get personal" thread

This is through post 118 of that thread which asks members to post their age.

110 members out of the 118 posts posted their age

<20 1
20-29 3
30-39 4
40-49 3
50-59 11
60-69 29
70-79 40
80-89 18
>89 1

Here are a few "take aways" for me...

It certainly is an "old guys" hobby. The average age of ownership is probably even higher than this poll indicates since the older we get, the less likely we are to embrace technology...like computers and on line forums.

It is probably going to be harder to find enthusiasts for Model As as us old guys become fewer and fewer. There will probably come the day when seeing a Model A in the wild will be VERY rare. Maybe like seeing a horse and buggy now.

Don't count on our kids or grandkids getting excited about inheriting our As. The numbers aren't showing much of an interest under the age of 60.

We shouldn't let this detract from the enjoyment of our cars. Our parents and grandparents had interests other than ours (for the most part). Our kids and grandkids have interests other than ours (for the most part). So what?
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Old 12-08-2018, 01:18 PM   #2
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Hmph. Kids are kids. Kids wanna be cool. As are cool. And the number of old guys will never decline. Future = assured.
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Yup ...What Dick says. I would venture in a short amount in time vintage cars will will no longer be allowed on the roads. Law makers will be pressured to change motoring habits. What we are now living is the end of a grand era. I attend "power parking" car shows and look on the show field of all these latent dreams that folks have created. There will never be enough museums to put them in. We can keep pumping smoke up our own skirts but for the most part I'm still enjoying the dream. With each passing year I'm more afraid of driving our Tudor. I don't worry so much about the car but of getting injured. Driving by the masses has become a lost art. At least where we live.
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It is interesting to see the numbers crunched. I would like to see it again in years to come to see how it changes.
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I would venture in a short amount in time vintage cars will will no longer be allowed on the roads.
For what reason??
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Have 7 & 11 yr old grand kids that love them, will that continue, who knows. My son likes them, will he keep all of them or sell a few or all, who knows. I know this, I enjoy them and will as long as I can, maybe to my last breath. What happens to them at that point is beyond my control and I do not worry about the cars future. My son is car savy and if he sells it will be at a fair price, not a give away. Neither of us need the extra money that a sale would provide, so that issue is not there as often is.
In the next few minutes we'll go as a family to cut a Christmas tree, we'll drive there in our '29 CCPU and take pics, as we have for a number of years. Will that and all the other rides we take make the grand kids want to keep them , I hope so. The 11 yr old wants to drive the '29 Coupe to school when he gets his drivers license in 5 years, I hope he will have Model As in his mind for the rest of his life..as I did in mine.


One other thing about driving the '29 to the Christmas tree farm. When we get there almost everyone admires the truck and usually a few people ask if it is for sale. I think there are many people out there with disposable income to get into As, and that may well be the future of our hobby..

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In reply to this, I am 74. When I got into the hobby, I was about 65. There weren't any A s in my neighborhood, town, or county (Essex co, NJ) My only contact was with my father's cousin, who had two AA flatbed trucks and in a few years they went to the fields. The Mod A was definitely foreign to my experience.I had pretty much the same view of that everyone else had. It was cheap and junky, and Ford just made them to have something new to give to the public cause they were getting sick of the T. With only 40 HP it wasn't much of a car. At least it wasn't a planetary two speed! I had little appreciation for the A's qualities. I didn't get interested in A's until my late fifties and didn't actually buy one until I was 65
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For what reason??
With the advent of self driving cars, we as drivers will be banned from the roads as we are not predictable in our actions.
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With the advent of self driving cars, we as drivers will be banned from the roads as we are not predictable in our actions.
How would they reconcile that "logic" with the push for more people to ride bicycles on the road?.
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How would they reconcile that "logic" with the push for more people to ride bicycles on the road?.
That is why our tax money is being used for separate bike lanes. At least here in the U.S..
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Well, my grandchildren are age 3, 2, 5months, and one due in May, and they all will have a Model A. I just hope that they will all enjoy them as much as I have when the time comes that I can't enjoy them anymore.


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Remember when there were those that were worried about cow farts.
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Remember when there were those that were worried about cow farts.
They're still trying to figure a use. It is just the plumbing problem that is troublesome! Here is the next best thing. You could even make it run your Ford.

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For what reason??
Don't worry, the self-appointed do-gooders will come up with all sorts of twisted reasons! "They don't meet emissions standards! They don't meet 'safety' standards! They don't meet fuel mileage standards! They don't meet minimum speed requirements! They don't meet HOA standards! They don't... They don't...………".
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With the advent of self driving cars, we as drivers will be banned from the roads as we are not predictable in our actions.

But we humans can tell the difference between a small child in the road and his big dog near him. If hitting one is unavoidable, which will the automated car hit?? That would be a random choice, I'm thinking. Me? I'd go for the dog every time.
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Don't worry, the self-appointed do-gooders will come up with all sorts of twisted reasons! "They don't meet emissions standards! They don't meet 'safety' standards! They don't meet fuel mileage standards! They don't meet minimum speed requirements! They don't meet HOA standards! They don't... They don't...………".
All those things have been true about our Model A's for 40 years. Could you be over reacting?
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All those things have been true about our Model A's for 40 years. Could you be over reacting?
They gave us ethanol didn't they?
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The driverless cars are coming. Hope they just drive around us.
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Yup ...What Dick says. I would venture in a short amount in time vintage cars will will no longer be allowed on the roads.
I look forward to the time when every other car on the road is programmed to get out of my way.
Putting those self driving cars on the road raises some very difficult moral problems. How can you on the one hand, program them to protect the occupants in one situation when in another, that might cause death or injury to more people who happen to not be occupants of the car? For example, a self driving car with one occupant is heading for an unavoidable collision with another with 4 occupants. Does it try to save its one occupant at the expense of the other four? I see great danger on programming machines to make moral and ethical decisions.
On another note entirely but still self driving acrs, engineers from several casr companies have spent time in Australia trying to work out how to program their cars for some of our wildlife. They found it near impossible because when the car's sensors detected a Kangaroo, it couldn't work out how far away it was. When it was on the ground, it might conclude (say) 50 metres but when it was at the top of its bound, the car was measuring (say) 400 metres. Ever seen a confused car????
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That is why our tax money is being used for separate bike lanes. At least here in the U.S..
In Seattle bicycle commuting is down from 4% in 2014 to 2.8% in 2017. That’s with miles of streets being redesigned with lanes taken away from cars to accommodate bikes. When you think of that is equal to 12,000 compared to? Total commuters, that’s a lot of wasted dollars and roads. However cars are evil, so enjoy while you can!

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Banning cars on public roadways?
I think not. Farmers run very large and very slow equipment on public roads every day. Most farmers have yellow flashing lights on their tractors and combines when out and about.
The worst thing state DMV's might require is yellow flashing lights on slower prewar cars, if driving under 40 MPH, or some such speed. I doubt that, because it is exceedingly rare to see prewar cars out on roads. Not enough of us to matter.
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We tend to buy and appreciate cars of our youth. I think the age spread shows that. Guys that were in high school during the muscle car era are collecting social security and prices on hemi Cuda’s aren’t as strong as they once were. Trying to be objective about the future of Model A’s on the Fordbarn is an exercise in futility. The entire automotive accessory/performance aftermarket is stronger than its ever been. However, imports are the driver with late model trucks and SUV’s following close behind. The real big bucks for your A after you die will probably come from a hot rodder!
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Remember when there were those that were worried about cow farts.
I wonder if feeding corn to cars instead of cows helped reduce farting? LOL
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Can't cut a nice steak off a car!!
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These are the only vintage cars with four wheel brakes that have most spare parts available new.
Has the demand for new parts dropped off?

It's not the first time in ninety years they have been worthless, abandoned and left to rust.
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I'm getting back to the original post.

I'm going to argue that if you ran the demographics of the MARC Facebook group you're going to see younger numbers there than you will here.

The number of hobbyists is still going to trend older regardless where you look but Fordbarn, and forums in general, aren't as "youthful" as Facebook.

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That is why our tax money is being used for separate bike lanes. At least here in the U.S..
i think if your over 18 years old, and want to ride a bike, you need to pay registration, and insurance, to ride on the roads. mabey even pay a road tax. we have to with every car we own!
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Remember when there were those that were worried about cow farts.
Cows don't fart, they splatter cow manure. Good for the fields and the gardens. Not good for antique cars, especially Model A fords. You have to be careful where you drive.
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i think if your over 18 years old, and want to ride a bike, you need to pay registration, and insurance, to ride on the roads. mabey even pay a road tax. we have to with every car we own!
Agree! And police SHOULD enforce the traffic laws on bicycles. Virginia now has a law that YOU, the car drive must remain at least 3 feet away from a bicycle. Sounds logical, but if a bicycle (or usually many staggered over an hour) are passing my house than YOU the auto driver can not pass as the road is too narrow. If they stayed near the side, you could, but they don't. If you were driving a Model A you might not mind going that slow, but who wants to drive at bicycle speeds in a modern rig?
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I have only recently acquired my A,(about a year ago) and I basically only drive it around town or on a couple county roads near town, as all 3 of the highways leading out of town are all 4 lane roads and they recently raised the speed limit on them to 70 mph. That means people are driving mostly 75+ mph. I just don't feel safe driving 45 or so. All the 2 lane state roads are now 65 mph, so everybody drives 70+. Then they complain that highway deaths are up. Seems that should have lowered the speed, not raised. But everybody is in a hurry. The interstate (I80) one of the busiest in the country, has just been raised to 75.
that means 80 to 85 is the normal speed. All good, you make good time, one mistake on somebody part and mayhem. Rant over now.
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i think if your over 18 years old, and want to ride a bike, you need to pay registration, and insurance, to ride on the roads. mabey even pay a road tax. we have to with every car we own!
In my state all you need for riding a bike is a bike and helmet for the kids. But taxes go for the road reconfiguration.
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i think if your over 18 years old, and want to ride a bike, you need to pay registration, and insurance, to ride on the roads. mabey even pay a road tax. we have to with every car we own!


bike registration and insurance? Another administration. Add it to vehicle inspection and registration. Health insurance, household and contents insurance, motor car insurance, rates, taxes, tax returns, telephone bills, drivers licence renewals, boat licence renewals and the fees that accompany them both. Pilot licence, the medicals and fees. becoming a hermit is getting to be more appealing.
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Personally I worry about self driving cars. What if anybody would want to hack the software of a paticular car to turn it into a 'self driving suicide attack' ?
All you would have to do is manipulate the front sensors to not see anything at a certain target location. Put a tile on the drivers' chair and key in the address ...
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At 20 through my 50's my priorities were with work and home and kids. Although I had an interest, I was not ready to go out and buy a Model A. At about 60, I got into antiques and antique phones and began collecting. I had always wanted a Model A, but until things fell into place, I was just not able to. I suspect that we can't rely on creating interest in the hobby, many will change their interests as they get older.
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I'm getting back to the original post.

I'm going to argue that if you ran the demographics of the MARC Facebook group you're going to see younger numbers there than you will here.

The number of hobbyists is still going to trend older regardless where you look but Fordbarn, and forums in general, aren't as "youthful" as Facebook.

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This is through post 118 of that thread which asks members to post their age.

110 members out of the 118 posts posted their age

<20 1
20-29 3
30-39 4
40-49 3
50-59 11
60-69 29
70-79 40
80-89 18
>89 1

Here are a few "take aways" for me...

It certainly is an "old guys" hobby. The average age of ownership is probably even higher than this poll indicates since the older we get, the less likely we are to embrace technology...like computers and on line forums.

It is probably going to be harder to find enthusiasts for Model As as us old guys become fewer and fewer. There will probably come the day when seeing a Model A in the wild will be VERY rare. Maybe like seeing a horse and buggy now.

Don't count on our kids or grandkids getting excited about inheriting our As. The numbers aren't showing much of an interest under the age of 60.

We shouldn't let this detract from the enjoyment of our cars. Our parents and grandparents had interests other than ours (for the most part). Our kids and grandkids have interests other than ours (for the most part). So what?
Dick, You are going to love the march newsletter. I'll be touching on this subject. Benny
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My original post doesn't show , you can add me to the over 80 group at 82 this year. Thanks
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