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03-24-2013, 03:27 PM | #1 |
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Timing Gear Preference
I took the Model A out today for its first run since December...and broke the timing gear.
I searched the threads looking for discussion of fiber vs. aluminum, but found very little. I'm inclined to contact Bratton's and order an aluminum one, but I have heard that the fiber ones are quieter. Pop replaced a few back in the 50s when he owned his service station. He says he always put in metal ones for durability. What do you folks think? Any strong preferences? Also, any "don't forget" tips while I'm ordering parts for the job. Obviously I will need the timing gear, and a gasket for the cover plate. Anything else? Thanks in advance, Ken
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03-24-2013, 03:58 PM | #2 |
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the laminated fiber gears are much stronger than the cheaper ones. If I use a fiber gear, that's what I use. You can get quiet metal gears from Dan McEachern, but you must change the crank gear too for a good fit ( that means quiet)
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03-24-2013, 04:11 PM | #3 |
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I agree, the Dan gears are the best made . I'm running Dan bronze cam timing gears in two of my engines. I've never gotten much mileage from any fiber timing gear, maserated or laminated. I would always prefer a metal timing gear. I run aluminum or bronze gears in all of mine now and I don't hear any noise from any of them.
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03-24-2013, 04:26 PM | #4 |
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Fiber gear for quiet. Unless your crank gear is badly pitted and/or you're only 16, a new timing gear should last you the rest of your life.
Put a little lube on the plunger too when you reinstall.
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when replacing any timing gear make sure the timing dimple on the gear is deep enough so you can feel it with timing pin, if not rework the dimple so the timing pin goes in deep enough to be felt, this is especially necessary with some fiber gears
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03-24-2013, 06:45 PM | #8 |
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Laminated fiber should be fine on a stock engine. If you are running a performance cam and / or or stronger valve springs then use a metal gear. I also agree with Brent's comment. Clean out the oil pump and oil pan with the windage tray removed, and don't forget to put it back in. Pack the camshaft plunger/spring with grease so it runs quiet.
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I just installed one of his Bronze gears (with the crank gear). Would highly recommend this combination. Not a peep out of the gears.
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Just read today in Mcree's book on Model A engine overhaul proceedure about the crankshaft rope sealing gasket on the timing gear cover that goes around the crankshaft. I can't find any reference to it in any of the catalogues -Bratton's, MAC's, or Snyder's. Does anyone know where to find this gasket material. I want to put some in my road kit. Bill G
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Just for "farts & giggles", I re-read this twice and not one person bothered to mention where one might purchase a "laminated" timing gear from?!? None of the catalogs refer to this "laminated" term when describing their gears.... just good quality or a good replacement part. I just purchased a set of Dans' gears, but I still need a new laminated gear for the engine that is being installed in the coupe I am selling, once completed. Any help would be appreciated on this. regards, Steve
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Bratton's show's a laminated timing gear on pg 39. part # 8750.
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I replaced a fiber gear with an alum one recently.It didnt strip any teeth ,but became noisy when the cam nut became loose as a former owner had not tightened it properly.The dowel holes in the gear had worn oval.The crank gear in my case was fine.I also cleaned the threads with laquer thinner & used some blue Loctite on the threads.It seems just as quiet as a new fiber gear without the worry of stripping the teeth.Make sure the plunger spring is strong anough to prevent the cam from walking back & forth.
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When they came out with the bronze timing gear we switched. Early on we suffered several failures of the original fiber gears. We have bronze on all the cars and if they are louder it isn't enough to be concerned with!
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I lost a cam gear the other year due to a broken plunger spring, which allowed the cam to "walk" fore and aft, slamming the cam-gear against the timing cover - this eventually loosened the fibre gear from its steel hub ( Westinghouse-Micarta; a good gear).
I went with an aluminum gear from Bratton, leaving my original crank gear in place, reasoning that this is a high-mileage engine (78,000 miles) that's not far from rebuild anyway... I have not noticed any noise from the metal gear ( whining or ringing ), and doubt I would hear it over the other threshing-machine noises of my tired iron. If I were doing a full rebuild, I would probably spring for a bronze gear. |
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