Removing Engine from '40 Ford Question

[19Fordy]

Using a standard size engine hoist with a boom, is it possible to remove an 8BA engine from a 40 Ford car WITHOUT
removing the HOOD, FRONT SHEET METAL or GRILLE?

I've done it by removing only the hood and radiator but, am wondering if it's really necessary.


Anyone done it that way? Thanks, JIM

[deuce_roadster]

Don't know about an 8ba but I have removed the 40 engine from my wagon after only removing the radiator and leaving the hood on. l left the trans in the car with a jack under it and used 4 line up pins (long bolts with heads cut off and screwdriver slots cut in the ends) when installing the motor. This was to fix a junk new TO bearing that lasted 7 miles. Was pretty easy as I unbolted the exhaust manifolds from the block and left the exhaust system intact.

[cas3]

a tape measure would tell you. 1st you would need to mount as close as possible to the motor to reduce the height needed, then once free of the tranny you can start going up so you will gain clearance as you go forward. never done it on a 40, just "thinking out loud". i'll bet kube has some thoughts about this

[richard crow]

why take a chance of damage if you just take the pivot bolts off the hood you do not change the hood fit

[big job]

Is it necessary? Removing the radiator and hood makes life way easy. Like the Duece
said unbolt manifolds and leave it -better than fooling with nasty exhaust always frozen
pipe bolts. The hood not heavy just two people each with a wrench = hood over your
shoulders no damage done. Whatever do not remove engine and transmission with
the common cherry picker cause it will take a nose dive unless you have the high end
picker that the front wheels slide way out or you need somebody to stand on the picker
back, that turns this into three people one to stand on it and two to pull it out LOL
Thats a chain fall job. sam

[Kube]

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Originally Posted by 19Fordy

Using a standard size engine hoist with a boom, is it possible to remove an 8BA engine from a 40 Ford car WITHOUT
removing the HOOD, FRONT SHEET METAL or GRILLE?

I've done it by removing only the hood and radiator but, am wondering if it's really necessary.


Anyone done it that way? Thanks, JIM

Jim, I've removed stock engines with the radiator and hood off. Of course I was younger and some may say even more stubborn than I am now.
LOTS of heavy blankets...

[Mart]

I've taken a 59A style motor from my 40 coupe without removing anything except the radiator. Mine was a deluxe model. I did take out the trans cover. If you undo the hood supports the hood will open higher than normal and in my case I tied it back to the rear bumper with a rope.

You have to attach the hoist to the motor very low down.

Mart.

I found a pic:

[Automotive Stud]

Seems like more risk to damage something than it's worth even if it can be done.

[skidmarks]

I just changed a 8ba in a 40 pickup. Took out the radiator and the hood off
I did as mentioned above and took the manifold off the motor and left them in the chassis with the exhaust.

I also took the oil filter , carburetor , fuel pump with stand and distributor off . The less stuff to get hung up on something and had to swap all that stuff to the new motor anyway.
I also have a I beam with a chain hoist and trolley which is way easier then a cherry picker.

Junk cars i pull motors with a forklift....

A word of advice, sweep the floor before you try to roll the cherry picker....the tiniest piece of anything will stop you in your tracks and can be deadly

[flatjack9]

I removed the engine from my 39 DeLuxe like Mart did.

[Ken/Alabama]

Originally Posted by 19Fordy

Using a standard size engine hoist with a boom, is it possible to remove an 8BA engine from a 40 Ford car WITHOUT
removing the HOOD, FRONT SHEET METAL or GRILLE?

I've done it by removing only the hood and radiator but, am wondering if it's really necessary.


Anyone done it that way? Thanks, JIM

Yes, I’ve done it many times without removing the hood. Also removed and replaced the V-12 in my 39 Zephyr with hood on. The key to doing it with the hood on is keep the chain between the boom and hook short as possible and I remove the intake so I can hook as close to the engine as possible. This tool is very handy for lifting flatheads.

[19Fordy]

Thank you all very much for sharing your experience and knowledge.
Thanks, Mart, for posting that photo. My decision is pending as there's a strange "tinny" sound coming from the engine that comes and goes at idle. Great oil pressure and runs smooth. Can't figure out what it is.

Last time I removed the engine was in 1972 with a chain fall. I removed the hood myself, back then when I was 29 and back was fine. See photo of engine back then.

[V8COOPMAN]

Originally Posted by 19Fordy

Last time I removed the engine was in 1972 when I was 29.

Sooo, let's seeeeee…...that should make you about 43-ish NOW? Damn you're gettin' old! DD

[Russ/40]

Yes. I have done it several times. Did nothing but remove the radiator. Left the transmission in, unbolted the exhaust from the block only. If you look at Mart's photo, he did not need to unbolte the hood.

[deuce_roadster]

I too have that KRW tool Ken has that fits in the valley and it is quite handy, quick to put in and take out, those 2 pins keep it from moving.

[RKS.PA]

My preference on my '39 is to remove grill and radiator only and take everything out the front...and keep everything as low as possible, relative to shop crane.....swaying engine over fenders makes me really nervous!! Putting '39 grill back in is an easy one person job. Putting hood back on is a two person for me!!

[Ol' Ron]

Over the past 20 years we;ve remover and installed a Ardun/C4 combination a dozen times. Have to install it this year again, come and watch. But we do take the hood off.

[V8COOPMAN]

Originally Posted by Ol' Ron

Over the past 20 years we;ve remover and installed a Ardun/C4 combination a dozen times. Have to install it this year again, come and watch. But we do take the hood off.

I've gotta ask.....WHO would waste a beautiful ARDUN on a slushbox transmission? Isn't that considered to be some sort of crime against nature? DD

[Ol' Ron]

Yes, I might agree, I suggested an AOD. It's beautiful car and MIGHT be up for sale soon????

[TJ]

Originally Posted by RKS.PA

My preference on my '39 is to remove grill and radiator only and take everything out the front...and keep everything as low as possible, relative to shop crane.....swaying engine over fenders makes me really nervous!! Putting '39 grill back in is an easy one person job. Putting hood back on is a two person for me!!

Same way I do it. a lot less chance of something smacking a fender.

[TomT/Williamsburg]

I did it a long, long time ago - in the late 80s.lI think. Removed the stock flattie and 3-speed and then later installed a 350/350 combo. Engine hoist hook was more to the back of the engine, no radiator installed, most accessories off the motor. The tail of the T350 was just high enough foe me to get close, pick up and and swing the tailshaft in whole pulling the hoist towards the car. I was about 38 or so and I was n pretty good shape to do it. Once the motor and trans were in the engine bay I used my floor jack under the tail shaft of the tranny to pull the combo back as I jockeyed it into position. Wishbones were split and the T350 trans mount was not yet bolted in and the wishbones were spread out .....

These days it’s easier to leave the hood on but pull off the nose imho ...... too old to attempt this now! Lol!

[fortyfords]

I removed the engine in my sedan without taking the hood off, I always remove the carb and use axle straps that are used on trailer tie downs; put them on the exhaust manifolds and also remove the radiator and out the engine comes.

[V8COOPMAN]

Originally Posted by 19Fordy

Using a standard size engine hoist with a boom, is it possible to remove an 8BA engine from a 40 Ford car WITHOUT
removing the HOOD, FRONT SHEET METAL or GRILLE?

I've done it by removing only the hood and radiator but, am wondering if it's really necessary.


Anyone done it that way? Thanks, JIM

I know what you're up to! You're wanting to throw one of those ARDUN thingies in there. We've seen you lusting over there on that currently-running ARDUN thread. I wonder if those valve covers will clear the inner fender panels at the front on a '40? DD

[19Fordy]

Ok V8, you got me.

Please be the first to donate to my pending (all done) ARDUN GO FUND ME page.

I recall that in 1995 I went to the Columbus NSRA show and there was a real steel '32 Ford roadster with a full tilt ARDUN in it for sale for $35K. It was blue and it was really nice. Seemed like a fortune then.

A fellow named Dick Blaine was also there with his red '32 Ford Ardun powered beauty. Wasn't for sale. He was nice and told me all about it as it was the first time I ever saw an ARDUN. Wonder if he still has it?

[Ardun]

Originally Posted by V8COOPMAN

I've gotta ask.....WHO would waste a beautiful ARDUN on a slushbox transmission? Isn't that considered to be some sort of crime against nature? DD

I would and I did in my ‘53. Certainly not sorry. I did the “Ardun/Stick” thing and my wife didn’t like driving the car. After putting in an AOD, EPS and Air, she likes it. Guess I am a really P...y whipped, lol! However, no bitches about how much money I spent and I have a relief driver. An old time rodder since I was 12 (now 80, she is 78) I love the “slush box.” I even put in power brakes. Yea, I might have more suds with a stick, but then who wants to beat up a $50K engine? The choices:

1. Ardun with a stick = a one person car
2. Ardun with a slush box = owning an Ardun with peace and harmony
3. No Ardun at all

You make the choice!

[19Fordy]

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Well spoken. Sounds to me like ARDUN has
"DUN" just fine, keeping all his ducks in a nice straight line.
His car is a beauty and a piece of history. A work of art and mechanical wonderment.

If I were ever to be so lucky, I'd hope to be just as plucky.

Got to go check my " ARDUN Go Fund Me" page again. So far, I've got zero.
Maybe the PPP check will soon arrive so I can use "the people's money" to fund
my pet project just like the politicians do.

[V8COOPMAN]

Originally Posted by Ardun

Yea, I might have more suds with a stick, but then who wants to beat up a $50K engine? The choices:

1. Ardun with a stick = a one person car
2. Ardun with a slush box = owning an Ardun with peace and harmony
3. No Ardun at all

You make the choice!

OK, I guess you win (kind'a sorta) with your 1,2,3! But what good is it to spend $50K on an engine that ya can't "beat-up" on a little? Ronnieroadster sure ain't reluctant to "whang" on his Arduns every now and then. Ya know, you could always build another one for days when Momma decides to stay at home! Joking aside though, the one you have created there sure is SLICK! DD

[Ardun]

Thanks guys, to be honest, I do push the pedal once in awhile. No, not as gutsy as a standard tranny though. However, adequate. Don’t think my pocketbook could stand another ARDUN Since my ARDUN heads are first gen and serialized sequentially, you can bet there is a lot of TLC. I applaud Ronnie and learned from him. Oh, bragging rights: I have an original that is still running in a ‘53 and yes, I take the hood off when removing the engine.

[philipswanson]

[QUOTE=Mart;1889769]I've taken a 59A style motor from my 40 coupe without removing anything except the radiator. Mine was a deluxe model. I did take out the trans cover. If you undo the hood supports the hood will open higher than normal and in my case I tied it back to the rear bumper with a rope.

You have to attach the hoist to the motor very low down.

Mart.

A strong gust of wind comes along and your hood will end up in the front seat.

[FLSTF]

The problem is not getting the engine out, it's getting it back in. We pulled the 221 out of my dads 1939 deluxe but fought with it, getting it back in. While pulling it out, the engine pulled towards you, when putting it back in, you will fight with lining up the trans to the back of the motor because it sits back some. We pulled the front bumper and grill, it went in easily. While the bumper are off, replace your bumper gaskets (rubber bushing around the bumber rails, cheap fix).

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